American League MVP - Page 43

rngrdanny22 · 10-01-2022, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I still think the vast majority of GMs, (if not all GMs), would take Ohtani over Judge, (if salaries and bonuses were equal), if they got their choice at the end of this season.

I would think that's a no-brainer from a money standpoint. In normal circumstances, they would pay (and I'm making these numbers up) $30M/year for someone who can pitch as well as Ohtani and $25M/year for someone who could hit as well as Ohtani.

They are only going to pay Ohtani one salary that most likely wouldn't equal the sum of the other two.

texmcpherson · 10-01-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

What Judge has done so far, has already been done before, and will likely be done again.

What Ohtani is doing has never been done before, and some say will never be done again, (though I think "never" is a really long time).

I still think the vast majority of GMs, (if not all GMs), would take Ohtani over Judge, (if salaries and bonuses were equal), if they got their choice at the end of this season.

Those are fighting words round’ here.

pewe · 10-01-2022, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I would think that's a no-brainer from a money standpoint. In normal circumstances, they would pay (and I'm making these numbers up) $30M/year for someone who can pitch as well as Ohtani and $25M/year for someone who could hit as well as Ohtani.

They are only going to pay Ohtani one salary that most likely wouldn't equal the sum of the other two.

If he’s worth that, why wouldn’t they pay the going rate??? I’ve got to imagine Ohtani’s agent knows it. And a team should pay for the performance. I’m intrigued to see if he gets the highest AAV contract ever. Because, if not, then something is either wrong with how much impact we think he has, or teams are making dumb choices.

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marl1220 · 10-01-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

If he’s worth that, why wouldn’t they pay the going rate??? I’ve got to imagine Ohtani’s agent knows it. And a team should pay for the performance. I’m intrigued to see if he gets the highest AAV contract ever. Because, if not, then something is either wrong with how much impact we think he has, or teams are making dumb choices.

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If Judge leaves I believe the Yankees will make him the highest offer. I don't think he'll take it though.

pewe · 10-01-2022, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

If he’s worth that, why wouldn’t they pay the going rate??? I’ve got to imagine Ohtani’s agent knows it. And a team should pay for the performance. I’m intrigued to see if he gets the highest AAV contract ever. Because, if not, then something is either wrong with how much impact we think he has, or teams are making dumb choices.

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Ironically I just saw the news he got $30mm for next year - a record for arbitration eligible, I guess

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cnewby · 10-01-2022, 03:47 PM

People still think this is a thing?!?!?!

mwheeler27 · 10-01-2022, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

If he’s worth that, why wouldn’t they pay the going rate??? I’ve got to imagine Ohtani’s agent knows it. And a team should pay for the performance. I’m intrigued to see if he gets the highest AAV contract ever. Because, if not, then something is either wrong with how much impact we think he has, or teams are making dumb choices.

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Ohtani has already shown us that money is not paramount in his life.

He simply might not require anyone to pay that much. I’d guess he’d rather them save money so they could spend on someone else to help make the team successful.

Prox3 · 10-01-2022, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

What Judge has done so far, has already been done before, and will likely be done again.

What Ohtani is doing has never been done before, and some say will never be done again, (though I think "never" is a really long time).

I still think the vast majority of GMs, (if not all GMs), would take Ohtani over Judge, (if salaries and bonuses were equal), if they got their choice at the end of this season.

As a reminder, we are talking about the most valuable player. Ohtani is basically unicorn, but he is sitting on a couch this off season. Judge has carried a team on his back for a good portion of this season. There is no debate.

Bcr · 10-01-2022, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prox3

As a reminder, we are talking about the most valuable player. Ohtani is basically unicorn, but he is sitting on a couch this off season. Judge has carried a team on his back for a good portion of this season. There is no debate.

MVP is NOT a team award. If Judge and Ohtani switched the Yankees would still be in the playoffs and the Angels would still be garbage.

Prox3 · 10-01-2022, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

MVP is NOT a team award. If Judge and Ohtani switched the Yankees would still be in the playoffs and the Angels would still be garbage.

So it's a most valuable player to yourself or your fans award? Despite Ohtani's efforts, his team stinks. Because of Judge's efforts, his team is in the playoffs.

rngrdanny22 · 10-01-2022, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Prox3

So it's a most valuable player to yourself or your fans award? Despite Ohtani's efforts, his team stinks. Because of Judge's efforts, his team is in the playoffs. Please leave.

You have a very antiquated way of thinking.

If your logic is so sound, please explain Ohtani's unanimous MVP win in 2021 while his teamed finished 18 games out of first place.

Bcr · 10-02-2022, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Prox3

So it's a most valuable player to yourself or your fans award? Despite Ohtani's efforts, his team stinks. Because of Judge's efforts, his team is in the playoffs. Please leave.

Did a rational thought hurt your feelings or something?

mwheeler27 · 10-02-2022, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Prox3

As a reminder, we are talking about the most valuable player. Ohtani is basically unicorn, but he is sitting on a couch this off season. Judge has carried a team on his back for a good portion of this season. There is no debate.

Quite a bit of debate going on in here, but thank you for the reminder.

I’m curious…if YOU could pick between having Ohtani this year or Judge for your team, who would you choose? I’m not asking about next year. I’m asking about this year with their numbers this year.

mwheeler27 · 10-02-2022, 03:59 AM

Let me ask it another way…

If you’re going into the playoffs this year, who would you rather have, Judge or Ohtani?

atk825 · 10-02-2022, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Prox3

As a reminder, we are talking about the most valuable player. Ohtani is basically unicorn, but he is sitting on a couch this off season. Judge has carried a team on his back for a good portion of this season. There is no debate.

There’s plenty debate. It’s not a postseason or a team award. I

pewe · 10-02-2022, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Ohtani has already shown us that money is not paramount in his life.

He simply might not require anyone to pay that much. I’d guess he’d rather them save money so they could spend on someone else to help make the team successful.

Which team would this imply is most likely to land him? Ie that he’d trust to spend the saved $$ wisely to build a winning team?

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pewe · 10-02-2022, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Let me ask it another way…

If you’re going into the playoffs this year, who would you rather have, Judge or Ohtani?

Fun question!

Do it for the Yankees. If they add Ohtani and push out their DH and one rotation pitcher what improvement would they see? If you dropped Judge and replaced him with whoever their bench OF is, what level of loss would the team see?

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fulltritty · 10-02-2022, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Fun question!

Do it for the Yankees. If they add Ohtani and push out their DH and one rotation pitcher what improvement would they see? If you dropped Judge and replaced him with whoever their bench OF is, what level of loss would the team see?

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The Yankees would not have survived their post-All Star Game through end of August swoon and would be fighting for a Wild Card if they were lucky and not have won the Division. Judge and the pitching staff were the only reason they didn't lose the Division lead.

Ohtani would have one less loss since he wouldn't have pitched against the Yankees. It would be hard to tell how his pitching would have been against the tougher AL East though. He went 7-6 against the AL West. His bat at DH would have been better than Stanton which calls into question with as much money as the Yankees are paying Stanton, would they have sat him to allow Ohtani to DH? Judge also DH'd 23 games this year, so you would be losing that production for Ohtani unless you only gave Judge a rest from the outfield on days Ohtani pitches.

mwheeler27 · 10-02-2022, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Fun question!

Do it for the Yankees. If they add Ohtani and push out their DH and one rotation pitcher what improvement would they see? If you dropped Judge and replaced him with whoever their bench OF is, what level of loss would the team see?

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I too think it’s a fun question. The Yankees is who I was targeting here with my question.

I don’t watch enough baseball to be able to make an educated guess either way. Simply looking at numbers wouldn’t likely be the right approach.

Sure is enjoyable to think about. At least for me. And again, I’ll be happy with whomever wins the MVP. Personally, I’d love to see them both get it. Both are deserving.

KhalDrogo · 10-02-2022, 08:25 AM

Ohtani MVP. Reasonable for Judge to get it as well. A lot of people are normalizing what Ohtani is doing because he did it last year too.

Bcr · 10-02-2022, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Let me ask it another way…

If you’re going into the playoffs this year, who would you rather have, Judge or Ohtani?

It depends on the team needs. Pitching is even more valuable in the postseason, so if I don't have more than one top end option I'll take Ohtani. If I have solid pitching then I'd go Judge.

DontToewsMeBro · 10-02-2022, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Let me ask it another way…

If you’re going into the playoffs this year, who would you rather have, Judge or Ohtani?

Ohtani

Pitchers win playoffs games, hitters just decide by how much

mwheeler27 · 10-02-2022, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Ohtani

Pitchers win playoffs games, hitters just decide by how much

And you get both with Ohtani.

Can you imagine the worldwide fanfare if Ohtani was headed to the playoffs with the Yankees?!

pewe · 10-02-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Ohtani MVP. Reasonable for Judge to get it as well. A lot of people are normalizing what Ohtani is doing because he did it last year too.

So clear cut case of Ohtani providing a lot more value and Judge’s performance being quite expected and not special?

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oldgoldy97 · 10-02-2022, 09:07 AM

So pitchers should get MVP because hitters don’t win games.

Cesspool.

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