HGA grading - Page 46

pharmboymatt · 04-15-2021, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

According to Tyler, they have to get all the patents and copyrights in order before they can reveal anything about the AI.

I won't hold my breath.

LOLOLOLOLOL did anyone really expect these cletii to develop AI? It was pretty obvious from the start. But hey, at least they have cereal labels!

Scottish Punk · 04-15-2021, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TSonn

I don't think it's complete but I also don't understand why didn't create a CSV of all previously graded cards and then design the pop report with the ability to import. Just kinda proves they are working on the fly.

If they can't automate their pop report I'm not sure how much I trust their AI.

Any programmer worth their pay can create a script to inject the final grades into a SQL (or any database) as the last step of the process. I can understand taking time to build a GUI/search from the database. Getting raw data in their should be the easy part and happening since card 1. I agree they are learning on the fly. They are building the company and learning the industry at the same time.

HalfNipponese · 04-15-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Any programmer worth their pay can create a script to inject the final grades into a SQL (or any database) as the last step of the process. I can understand taking time to build a GUI/search from the database. Getting raw data in their should be the easy part and happening since card 1. I agree they are learning on the fly. They are building the company and learning the industry at the same time.

I think you are right. The AI being used has been around for a decade. It’s essentially the same software that turns a photo into a scanned document with text and image identification. I’m pretty sure the AI exists but the question is did they make sure not to violate someone else’s patent.

AI is not witchcraft and not that hard to code assuming you paid for the IP rights. If they say the code was written from scratch, then it’s time to call BS.

StikiLouda · 04-15-2021, 09:03 AM

Whole lotta speculation and assumptions in this thread lol, how's the phrase go? Assuming makes....

i4gotmyid · 04-15-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StikiLouda

Whole lotta speculation and assumptions in this thread lol, how's the phrase go? Assuming makes....

Well...touting the benefits of a "game changing" product but giving no details as to how the product works usually does that

Cards and 401K · 04-15-2021, 04:46 PM

Email from HGA today for a second 5 card order logged for 30 business day turnaround.
I have my next order for Friday and wanting to test the "Custom Label" for a 2001 e-topps Pujols
and 2020 Atomic Dominguez, I think they would both look terrific and both should grade 9.5++. with
my non AI eyes. LOL

Cards and 401K · 04-16-2021, 03:12 PM

I thought i would post the HGA's CEO announcement regarding 2nd Grading location from a FB post:

***HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT***
We have officially secured our 2nd HGA location. I have been blessed and fortunate enough to bring our 2nd location back to my hometown of Buckhannon, West Virginia.
Our new location we are hoping to have open and operational in 8 weeks. It will be our gaming card location for all Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. We are excited to be able to focus on each sector of this industry with specialized locations for each. We have done some promos for customers just to get a few out there but we will go full force in 2 months. As we get closer we will keep you updated with opening dates and submission times and limits. Pokémon submissions will be on Mondays and will be shipped to the WV location.
I want to personally thank each and everyone of you that has supported us!!!! Without you none of this would be possible. We will continue to get better and better and work hard to continue to be the best company out there. When we open that location we will be ready to accept 3000 cards minimum from day 1 and possibly up to 5000. We are now on pace to be around 35,000 cards a week by the end of the year and we are going to continue to grow at record speeds and continue to implement better processes as we grow.
Feel free to continue to offer advice and we will continue to build a system that is more beneficial for our customers. We are so close to having our tracking system done and in place as well so you will be able to track your orders through the process.
I hope everyone has an amazing night and we look forward to continuing this journey with you to the top!!!!!
Sincerely,
Tyler Hitt

HalfNipponese · 04-16-2021, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

I thought i would post the HGA's CEO announcement regarding 2nd Grading location from a FB post:

***HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT***
We have officially secured our 2nd HGA location. I have been blessed and fortunate enough to bring our 2nd location back to my hometown of Buckhannon, West Virginia.
Our new location we are hoping to have open and operational in 8 weeks. It will be our gaming card location for all Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. We are excited to be able to focus on each sector of this industry with specialized locations for each. We have done some promos for customers just to get a few out there but we will go full force in 2 months. As we get closer we will keep you updated with opening dates and submission times and limits. Pokémon submissions will be on Mondays and will be shipped to the WV location.
I want to personally thank each and everyone of you that has supported us!!!! Without you none of this would be possible. We will continue to get better and better and work hard to continue to be the best company out there. When we open that location we will be ready to accept 3000 cards minimum from day 1 and possibly up to 5000. We are now on pace to be around 35,000 cards a week by the end of the year and we are going to continue to grow at record speeds and continue to implement better processes as we grow.
Feel free to continue to offer advice and we will continue to build a system that is more beneficial for our customers. We are so close to having our tracking system done and in place as well so you will be able to track your orders through the process.
I hope everyone has an amazing night and we look forward to continuing this journey with you to the top!!!!!
Sincerely,
Tyler Hitt

Wow. SGC's current capacity is about 30000 cards a week.

kabrune2 · 04-16-2021, 06:33 PM

Wow, Buchannon, WV, that really is the middle of nowhere. I should know I take customers to a mill my company has there 1-2 times a year. Not that Seymour, TN is a hotbed either and they’ve made it work so far.

imbluestreak23 · 04-16-2021, 06:35 PM

Dude I lived in WV for a year...worst experience of my life.

No offense to the Pat Mcafees out there but good luck attracting talent

Cards and 401K · 04-16-2021, 08:49 PM

You do ot have to worry about your best employees getting poached!

dumars2001 · 04-16-2021, 11:06 PM

Home of NBA legend Jerry West!!

gymratcards · 04-16-2021, 11:39 PM

Thought some may be interested in some images showing what makes up a HGA slab.

- Some Epson photo paper

- A font and back half that make up the flip. The back part has double sided tape more securely bonded to it in order to hold the two sides of the flip together.

- The slab design does not appear to have features that enable ultrasonic welding. What it does look like is some kind of acrylic adhesive (or another liquid adhesive or solvent) may be applied in the perimeter gap between the front and back half of the slab. If that’s the case, I would not be at all excited about exposing a card of any value to either substance.

Finally, not slab related, but I did a little digging into granted patents for computerized card grading. I came across this one. It does not appear to belong to HGA. Curious how closely what HGA says they do is to what’s in the claims of this patent.

Computerized technical authentication and grading system for collectible objects

salthill · 04-17-2021, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gymratcards

Finally, not slab related, but I did a little digging into granted patents for computerized card grading. I came across this one. It does not appear to belong to HGA. Curious how closely what HGA says they do is to what’s in the claims of this patent.
Computerized technical authentication and grading system for collectible objects

And even more recently...
https://patents.justia.com/patent/10942933
(Same inventors. Appears to be assigned to a Texas law firm that doesn’t exist any more.)

KhalDrogo · 04-17-2021, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gymratcards

Thought some may be interested in some images showing what makes up a HGA slab.

But they said the slab was so great!

rfgilles · 04-17-2021, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

But they said the slab was so great!

"The best slabs on the market!"

gymratcards · 04-17-2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by salthill

And even more recently...
https://patents.justia.com/patent/10942933
(Same inventors. Appears to be assigned to a Texas law firm that doesn’t exist any more.)

Think it’s this company instead.

TAG P, LLC

The agent for service of process has the same name as one of the listed inventors.

The_Reverend · 04-17-2021, 07:30 AM

Reading all of that makes my decision much better in choosing NOT to give any money to HGA. JUST WOW!!!

rwperu34 · 04-17-2021, 07:37 AM

I saw a Yordan 2020 Topps #276 HGA 9.5 end for a decent price at auction the other night. I decided to take a look at the pictures and....wow. That lower left corner on the back was so bad I wouldn't even expect to get a PSA 9 out of it even if everything else was perfect. That was my one and only venture to look at an HGA slab.

salthill · 04-17-2021, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratcards

Think it’s this company instead.
TAG P, LLC
The agent for service of process has the same name as one of the listed inventors.

Looks right. Thanks for the update.

Cards and 401K · 04-17-2021, 05:38 PM

Let us know how the Tatum regrades. Thanks

gymratcards · 04-17-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Let us know how the Tatum regrades. Thanks

Not resubbing ... back bottom corners are dinged, top to bottom centering is bad, and there is an jagged vertical indent on the bottom back edge of the card.

COEFOR · 04-18-2021, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gymratcards

Thought some may be interested in some images showing what makes up a HGA slab.[/URL]

Thanks for sharing. So an Epson photo printer, double sided tape, plastic slabs, and super glue.

Their address is linked to a strip mall in Tennessee and I understand they have opened another location in West Virginia.

I don't get the appeal, either in the short or long term.

rwperu34 · 04-18-2021, 04:42 AM

They can't even get centering right. There's a "Gem" Jo Adell coming down tonight with 9.5 centering. I measure R/L at 60/40. I wouldn't even consider sending it to PSA just on centering alone, let alone the 9 corners.

These slabs are going to be pure garbage before too long.

HalfNipponese · 04-18-2021, 10:54 AM

I’m 110% sure they are using a commercial grade photo printer you’d see at a Walgreens photo center. I work at an insurance company and the is one down the hall from my office that we use for printing investigation photos. It uses a bunch of different color toner cars. We use Canon an Ricoh paper but to each their own.

Those printers produce amazing quality photos but take tons of maintenance. It always seams like we have people there working on it.

HGA uses acrylic glue to seal the slabs. They’ve talked about that process in the past.

04-15-2021, 04:46 PM	#1131
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	Email from HGA today for a second 5 card order logged for 30 business day turnaround. I have my next order for Friday and wanting to test the "Custom Label" for a 2001 e-topps Pujols and 2020 Atomic Dominguez, I think they would both look terrific and both should grade 9.5++. with my non AI eyes. LOL Last edited by Cards and 401K; 04-15-2021 at 05:00 PM.

04-16-2021, 06:35 PM	#1135
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,790 shortslabs	Dude I lived in WV for a year...worst experience of my life. No offense to the Pat Mcafees out there but good luck attracting talent __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

04-17-2021, 07:37 AM	#1144
rwperu34 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 8,358	I saw a Yordan 2020 Topps #276 HGA 9.5 end for a decent price at auction the other night. I decided to take a look at the pictures and....wow. That lower left corner on the back was so bad I wouldn't even expect to get a PSA 9 out of it even if everything else was perfect. That was my one and only venture to look at an HGA slab. __________________ Me: Did I win? Gixen: Yes. You won. Now you're broke.

04-18-2021, 04:42 AM	#1149
rwperu34 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 8,358	They can't even get centering right. There's a "Gem" Jo Adell coming down tonight with 9.5 centering. I measure R/L at 60/40. I wouldn't even consider sending it to PSA just on centering alone, let alone the 9 corners. These slabs are going to be pure garbage before too long. __________________ Me: Did I win? Gixen: Yes. You won. Now you're broke.

04-18-2021, 10:54 AM	#1150
HalfNipponese Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 952	I’m 110% sure they are using a commercial grade photo printer you’d see at a Walgreens photo center. I work at an insurance company and the is one down the hall from my office that we use for printing investigation photos. It uses a bunch of different color toner cars. We use Canon an Ricoh paper but to each their own. Those printers produce amazing quality photos but take tons of maintenance. It always seams like we have people there working on it. HGA uses acrylic glue to seal the slabs. They’ve talked about that process in the past. __________________ MyRareCards.com Features 1990 Topps Partial Blackless information and the lifetime trials and tribulations of a boring fat dad.

04-15-2021, 09:03 AM	#1129
StikiLouda Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 68	Whole lotta speculation and assumptions in this thread lol, how's the phrase go? Assuming makes....

04-16-2021, 03:12 PM	#1132
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	I thought i would post the HGA's CEO announcement regarding 2nd Grading location from a FB post: *HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT* We have officially secured our 2nd HGA location. I have been blessed and fortunate enough to bring our 2nd location back to my hometown of Buckhannon, West Virginia. Our new location we are hoping to have open and operational in 8 weeks. It will be our gaming card location for all Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. We are excited to be able to focus on each sector of this industry with specialized locations for each. We have done some promos for customers just to get a few out there but we will go full force in 2 months. As we get closer we will keep you updated with opening dates and submission times and limits. Pokémon submissions will be on Mondays and will be shipped to the WV location. I want to personally thank each and everyone of you that has supported us!!!! Without you none of this would be possible. We will continue to get better and better and work hard to continue to be the best company out there. When we open that location we will be ready to accept 3000 cards minimum from day 1 and possibly up to 5000. We are now on pace to be around 35,000 cards a week by the end of the year and we are going to continue to grow at record speeds and continue to implement better processes as we grow. Feel free to continue to offer advice and we will continue to build a system that is more beneficial for our customers. We are so close to having our tracking system done and in place as well so you will be able to track your orders through the process. I hope everyone has an amazing night and we look forward to continuing this journey with you to the top!!!!! Sincerely, Tyler Hitt

04-16-2021, 06:33 PM	#1134
kabrune2 Banned Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,360	Wow, Buchannon, WV, that really is the middle of nowhere. I should know I take customers to a mill my company has there 1-2 times a year. Not that Seymour, TN is a hotbed either and they’ve made it work so far.

04-16-2021, 08:49 PM	#1136
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	You do ot have to worry about your best employees getting poached!

04-16-2021, 11:06 PM	#1137
dumars2001 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 130	Home of NBA legend Jerry West!!

04-16-2021, 11:39 PM	#1138
gymratcards Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: WA Posts: 346 tiptopcardshop	Thought some may be interested in some images showing what makes up a HGA slab. - Some Epson photo paper - A font and back half that make up the flip. The back part has double sided tape more securely bonded to it in order to hold the two sides of the flip together. - The slab design does not appear to have features that enable ultrasonic welding. What it does look like is some kind of acrylic adhesive (or another liquid adhesive or solvent) may be applied in the perimeter gap between the front and back half of the slab. If that’s the case, I would not be at all excited about exposing a card of any value to either substance. Finally, not slab related, but I did a little digging into granted patents for computerized card grading. I came across this one. It does not appear to belong to HGA. Curious how closely what HGA says they do is to what’s in the claims of this patent. Computerized technical authentication and grading system for collectible objects

04-17-2021, 07:30 AM	#1143
The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,374 islubi	Reading all of that makes my decision much better in choosing NOT to give any money to HGA. JUST WOW!!!

04-17-2021, 05:38 PM	#1146
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	Let us know how the Tatum regrades. Thanks