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Old 10-24-2021, 04:32 PM   #11526
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PSA will not be backed up by opening a $100 option. Sure, initial wave might take 2-3 months. We will never see what happened at the beginning of 2021 ever again with PSA getting so far backed up. It just will not happen under Nats watch.

The claims that “the other company” is turning through cards at such a fast pace compared to PSA is really tiring. You can literally keep saying that for the next 6 months, and sure you would be right. The damage has been done. And because the damage has been done, what does a reasonable person expect? For them to work 30 hours in a 24 hour day and hire every human with a pulse who submits an application? From the looks of it they are doing something close to that. But, the flood of cards are still at PSA. They aren’t getting returned to sender by request anytime soon. To not acknowledge the progress that PSA has made up to this point in clearing out their backlog at their current pace is playing favorites. To not acknowledge the grading production output per day/week/month is also just playing favorites. Exponentially more cards are entering the market in lighthouse holders more so than all other companies combined. Are we just going to keep ignoring that? When the dust settles, and PSA has capacity to grade 700-800k cards of fresh submissions per month (not backlogged, we are talking fresh submissions), they will be doing so at a price level that guarantees a reasonable turnaround time. 12 months plus will never happen again. And any company not named PSA will see their submission volume drop exponentially OVERNIGHT. These are predictions that have a very high probability of happening. We can keep bickering back and forth for the next 6 months all we wan and seeing SGC turn out TAs of 25-50 days and keep comparing to 12 month TAs. Let’s see what happens in 6 months once it becomes evident that PSA corrected their mistakes and folks can start submitting to them again. SGC and CSG threads will become ghost towns
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Old 10-24-2021, 04:39 PM   #11527
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And for the people that call ME a PSA homer, sure, do your thing. As far as I can tell I am the only person posting on blowout publically who is sending submissions of my cards to PSA, SGC and CSG (although that won’t happen ever again). Again, I re-emphasize my cards. Not counting the group break folks. Have no idea what they submit personally, nor do I honestly care. This is not fanboyism, this is just a reality of what will happen when PSA does reopen lower tiers at whatever pricing levels they come up with. I predict they will start off high and drop from their. Test levels “should” be $100, $75, $50 and lower if possible. Test for 2-3 months and adjust.
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Old 10-24-2021, 04:57 PM   #11528
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And for the people that call ME a PSA homer, sure, do your thing. As far as I can tell I am the only person posting on blowout publically who is sending submissions of my cards to PSA, SGC and CSG (although that won’t happen ever again). Again, I re-emphasize my cards. Not counting the group break folks. Have no idea what they submit personally, nor do I honestly care. This is not fanboyism, this is just a reality of what will happen when PSA does reopen lower tiers at whatever pricing levels they come up with. I predict they will start off high and drop from their. Test levels “should” be $100, $75, $50 and lower if possible. Test for 2-3 months and adjust.
You know we are cool! You know what got my attention. I do hope your assessment is correct, but time will tell.

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Old 10-24-2021, 06:00 PM   #11529
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I wonder how the low end graded market really is right now. For the sake of discussion, let's say a bulk rate of $25 comes back with a 6 month turnaround time. Are there a lot of low end base currently that wasn't submitted previously before the shut down that people still have a ton of in a large pile and is an easy 2x ROI at a mint 9? I imagine there will be a ton of 2018 Bowman and 2018 Topps/Topps Update Ohtani that fits that scenario. But is there enough low end base of other players that people would not think twice about submitting at a $25 level? I only know the baseball side of things, not football or basketball. Some may still believe the buyers market is just as hot as it was back in April for even low end base...but reality may set in soon that low end base like Lux and a few others can't even get back 2x ROI at a gem mint grade. If it turns out that PSA 10 comps of a lot of low end base currently is less than 2x ROI when you factor in $25 grading fees (i.e. comps are $35-40 right now), then there may be a lot less submitted than we might think?

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Old 10-24-2021, 06:12 PM   #11530
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You know we are cool! You know what got my attention. I do hope your assessment is correct, but time will tell.
Agree, I hope for all of our sakes that PSA returns to normal as life in 2018/19 was FANTASTIC up until the pumpers and “investor” channels infiltrated everything. Now we don’t even have Topps baseball cards anymore lol.

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I wonder how the low end graded market really is right now. For the sake of discussion, let's say a bulk rate of $25 comes back with a 6 month turnaround time. Are there a lot of low end base currently that wasn't submitted previously before the shut down that people still have a ton of in a large pile and is an easy 2x ROI at a mint 9? I imagine there will be a ton of 2017/2018 Bowman and 2018 Topps/Topps Update Ohtani that fits that scenario. But is there enough low end base of other players that people would not think twice about submitting at a $25 level? I only know the baseball side of things, not football or basketball. Some may still believe the buyers market is just as hot as it was back in April for even low end base...but reality may set in soon that low end base like Lux and a few others can't even get back 2x ROI at a gem mint grade. If it turns out that PSA 10 comps of a lot of low end base currently is less than 2x ROI when you factor in $25 grading fees (i.e. comps are $35-40 right now), then there may be a lot less submitted than we might think?
I think you may be right. Low end base at $25/pop doesn’t fill up the monthly allocation of grading hands I wouldn’t think.

Given how much product is being produced today, PSA 10 gems of the actual young stars may be lucky to break $100-$125 consistently for something like Optic (Zion, Ja). Extrapolate that to the young QBs in football (Burrow, Herbert, this years class). Then extrapolate that to LaMelo Optic or Edwards Optic. Its becoming gem or bust when buying at $30-$50 raw, grading at $25 potentially, and hoping to collect $100 consistently minus fees. UM baseball is even worse as the 2021 RC logo class completely stinks. At that rate very few cards make the cut consistently. Even with all of the mass produced junk sets. These are cards that aren’t really worth submitting to SGC at $30. They barely make sense for PSA aside from first to market. Will be interesting to see what happens. Lots of target grading options at $15/card. $25/card cuts it down significantly and $50 really cuts down potential volume.
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Old 10-24-2021, 06:20 PM   #11531
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Agree, I hope for all of our sakes that PSA returns to normal as life in 2018/19 was FANTASTIC up until the pumpers and “investor” channels infiltrated everything. Now we don’t even have Topps baseball cards anymore lol.



I think you may be right. Low end base at $25/pop doesn’t fill up the monthly allocation of grading hands I wouldn’t think.

Given how much product is being produced today, PSA 10 gems of the actual young stars may be lucky to break $100-$125 consistently for something like Optic (Zion, Ja). Extrapolate that to the young QBs in football (Burrow, Herbert, this years class). Then extrapolate that to LaMelo Optic or Edwards Optic. Its becoming gem or bust when buying at $30-$50 raw, grading at $25 potentially, and hoping to collect $100 consistently minus fees. UM baseball is even worse as the 2021 RC logo class completely stinks. At that rate very few cards make the cut consistently. Even with all of the mass produced junk sets. These are cards that aren’t really worth submitting to SGC at $30. They barely make sense for PSA aside from first to market. Will be interesting to see what happens. Lots of target grading options at $15/card. $25/card cuts it down significantly and $50 really cuts down potential volume.
The market will adjust and there will be a low-end market, but likely will be already graded stuff. GOAT stuff is the safest of bets, regardless of the price. Things will adjust and like you I have graded with the big players minus HGA and never will with them.
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Old 10-24-2021, 06:56 PM   #11532
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Agree, I hope for all of our sakes that PSA returns to normal as life in 2018/19 was FANTASTIC up until the pumpers and “investor” channels infiltrated everything. Now we don’t even have Topps baseball cards anymore lol.



I think you may be right. Low end base at $25/pop doesn’t fill up the monthly allocation of grading hands I wouldn’t think.

Given how much product is being produced today, PSA 10 gems of the actual young stars may be lucky to break $100-$125 consistently for something like Optic (Zion, Ja). Extrapolate that to the young QBs in football (Burrow, Herbert, this years class). Then extrapolate that to LaMelo Optic or Edwards Optic. Its becoming gem or bust when buying at $30-$50 raw, grading at $25 potentially, and hoping to collect $100 consistently minus fees. UM baseball is even worse as the 2021 RC logo class completely stinks. At that rate very few cards make the cut consistently. Even with all of the mass produced junk sets. These are cards that aren’t really worth submitting to SGC at $30. They barely make sense for PSA aside from first to market. Will be interesting to see what happens. Lots of target grading options at $15/card. $25/card cuts it down significantly and $50 really cuts down potential volume.
I don't know how much readily available gradeable raws for GOATs exists now as I'm sure more and more people have been scouring listings on the bay looking for material. Hoops had a couple of very good recent class of QB rookies, same with FB and baseball hot rookies were 2018 & 2019 flagship RCs. 2020 baseball would be a bomb were it not for Robert having a pretty decent year this year (may be more Yordan subs too if he does well in World Series). 2021 baseball RCs as you mentioned was a bomb. Without new gradeable material in mass, low end base grading won't have as much as submissions as we may guess if bulk came back at $25 rate (unless another several players breakout from the 2018-2021 products).

But...next year is the Wander factor on the baseball side. Wander alone may be the reason that dictate what 2022 bulk pricing/turnaround time may be. I don't know what player/cards is current highest low end baseball graded base is (there's the 10k thread where the top players are pushing 20k for PSA 10s - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1471258), but I'm pretty sure Wander '22 series 1 will smash that easily unless PSA sets UM high enough to slow down subs but if they think they can take in the volume there's no reason for them to do that (20K should be easy unless Topps factory screws something up in the printing process). So Wander is a new variable that could affect how bulk grading will be (cost/turnaround times). PSA may retain a higher UM tier for Wander alone ($25-30 ultra modern/2022 cards while modern at $20 for 2020-2017 and a "pre-modern" 2016-1972 at $15?). There aren't any rookies from the 2021 drafts on hoops/FB side right now that is going to impact or can potentially impact bulk grading as we speak if a $25 service came back on January 1st?

Another variable we don't know the effect it would have on grading is the potential MLB labor lockout. If that happens, would it slow baseball submissions and if it does, how PSA would respond in their pricing.

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Old 10-24-2021, 08:42 PM   #11533
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^^Definitely agree with Wander and it doesn't stop with him. Assuming there is a baseball season we will see 2022 RC logo Bobbys as he is bound to be called up in such a way that Topps will be allowed to include him in releases for the summer and beyond.

PSA can definitely combat this by redefining a UM tier as you stated. Old bulk at $15-$20 would be awesome while keeping UM very high to deter a potential flood. I'm sure they will see and track submission volume day by day and if it starts exceeding predefined thresholds for output they will put stops in place immediately. I am 100% okay with PSA keeping services open and haulting them for 2-4 weeks, reopening at higher prices, etc to adjust as demand waxes and wains so long as turnaround times are reasonable and guaranteed.
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Old 10-25-2021, 12:07 AM   #11534
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So... When they opening that $100 level..
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Old 10-25-2021, 11:20 AM   #11535
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So... When they opening that $100 level..
It's a guessing game...my guess is a 125/100 level next January.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:17 PM   #11536
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My 2/1 value modern has been stuck in assembly since 10/12. That's the longest stretch I've had an order sit in that stage. I did see a couple posters had close to three weeks. There's definitely a log jam and some speculation they might be short on holders given a plastics shortage.

My 4/2 value modern just hit grading stage.
The 2/1 is now in QA2. Probably get those grades today or tomorrow. I didn't notice any other stage changes on other orders.
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I think you may be right. Low end base at $25/pop doesn’t fill up the monthly allocation of grading hands I wouldn’t think.
It probably would for six months or so as people unwind their waiting to submit backlogs, but, now that Zion PSA 10 Hoops rookies are down to $40 on eBay, the demand for $25 slabs probably isn't sustainable long term.
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:14 PM   #11538
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Submitted my first card the other day and it was received today. I'm so excited, I'm so scared.
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:56 PM   #11540
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Bulk Ultra Modern R/D on 4/5 just went into grading.
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Bulk Ultra Modern R/D on 4/5 just went into grading.
Curious if the PSA "received" date was sometime in late January/early to mid February?
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Wow...those "poster" cards are 2x3 feet? Those slabs must have been a pretty penny.
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Wow...those "poster" cards are 2x3 feet? Those slabs must have been a pretty penny.
No, they are 5x7 inches. Not sure why PSA calls them "poster" when they are a post card. The PSA 9 is a Pop 1. There is only a few graded of each. I think the 9 is worth a good chunk of change.
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Curious if the PSA "received" date was sometime in late January/early to mid February?
"Arrived" at PSA on 2/9
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Old 10-25-2021, 08:32 PM   #11545
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Economy order from January finally popped, quite a few of these that I wish I could have offloaded in the spring of last year

19 1 56372890 MINT 9 2014 Topps 1 Mike Trout Sparkle on Cleat Card
20 1 56372891 GEM MINT 10 2020 Topps Brooklyn Collection 27 Mike Trout Orange Card
21 1 56372892 MINT 9 2011 Playoff Contenders 17 Mike Trout Card
22 1 56372893 GEM MINT 10 2014 Topps Chrome 1 Mike Trout Sliding-Sepia Refractor Card
23 1 56372894 MINT 9 2019 Topps Transcendent VIP Party Mike Trout Through the Years 2011 Mike Trout Card
24 1 56372895 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2011 Bowman Future's Game Triple Relics MT Mike Trout Card
25 1 56372896 MINT 9 2009 Donruss Elite Extra Edition Throwback Threads TT-MT Mike Trout Card
26 1 56372897 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US104 Juan Soto Gold Card
27 1 56372898 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting Card
28 1 56372899 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting Card
29 1 56372900 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting Card
30 1 56372901 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome Update HMT55 Juan Soto Card
31 1 56372902 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Draft BDC162 Juan Soto Chrome-Purple Refractor Card
32 1 56372903 GEM MINT 10 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Picks & Prospects Rookies 40 Christian Yelich Refractor Card
33 1 56372904 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome Update HMT26 Gleyber Torres Pink Refractor Card
34 1 56372905 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 31 Gleyber Torres Card
35 1 56372906 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 31 Gleyber Torres Card
36 1 56372907 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US191 Gleyber Torres Rainbow Foil Card
37 1 56372908 GEM MINT 10 2020 Finest Flashbacks Autographs Raj Ronald Acuna Jr. Card
38 1 56372909 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Throwback Thursday 160 Ronald Acuna Jr. Card
39 1 56372910 GEM MINT 10 2018 Bowman's Best 51 Ronald Acuna Jr. Card
40 1 56372911 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Prospects BP127 Ronald Acuna Bowman 70th Card
41 1 56372912 MINT 9 2017 Bowman Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna Chrome Card
42 1 56372913 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna Chrome Card
43 1 56372914 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna Chrome Card
44 1 56372915 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US250 Ronald Acuna Jr. at-Bat in Blue Jersey Card
45 1 56372916 MINT 9 2018 Topps Update US250 Ronald Acuna Jr. at-Bat in Blue Jersey Card
46 1 56372917 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Draft BDC139 Mark Vientos Chrome-Blue Refractor Card
47 1 56372918 MINT 9 2014 Topps Chrome 216 Nolan Arenado Sepia Refractor Card
48 1 56372919 GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano Purple Refractor Card
49 1 56372920 MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano Green Refractor Card
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50 card TCG - didn't get email about order going into Grading so it's a guess that the order was in that stage for at least three months (July?).

11/2/2020: arrived to PSA via FEDEX overnight (sent with 5 other bulk orders)
12/1/2020: entered into PSA system (research/id)
10/14 - Assembly
10/16 - QA1
10/18 - QA2
10/18 - Order popped/grades available
Don't know if it's because I contacted PSA over the weekend or it was just "time"...order finally shipped and picked up by FEDEX tonight...so a week to go from grades being available to actual shipping.
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Order Type: Value Ultra-Modern
# of cards: 50
Order received per PSA: 10/13/2021
Research & ID: 1/26/2021
Grading: 07/01/2021
Assembly: 10/01/2021
QA1: 10/08/2021
QA2: 10/18/2021
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Arrived 11/03/20
Entered 1/27/21
Research 1/27/21
Grading some time in August No Email
Assembly 10/11/21
QA 1 10/21/21
QA 2 10/22/21

25 card ultra modern, mostly basketball Getting close!
10/26/21 Grades Ready! Just shy of 1 year since I shipped them. I kind of expected that going in. Got completely hammered on the basketball stuff only 6 of 20, but went 5/5 on the football stuff. At least a couple Luka Optic RC’s gemmed out of that order ( even though I thought the Michael Porter Jr’s were better IMO ) but in this case I’ll take the Luka 10’s and move on. Still a 40% Gem rate is a little disappointing.
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My order with PCSportscards went from grading to assembly on 10/19. It was part of 2021.24 Standard.

At what point will the grades (cause everyone wants to know their grades) and labels (to check for errors) be viewable?

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