LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[ninjacookies]

I can almost envision Adam's coming reply, verbatim.


"Guys. I took a step back for awhile just to reevaluate the situation. I know, I know. It looks bad. It really does. I'll take it on the cheek. But hear me out.

My internet was screwy at the time. Mind, body and spirit fatigued. I was going through a lot in my personal life. You know, building a wooden deck and organizing my next major shipment to PWCC. Life stuff. I was confused and scared. I'm not used to receiving random messages from Korean people. Ya know?

A lot of you have seen me at shows. Heck, we've shared drinks at the hotel. I hope you can see me for what I truly am. Yes. I made a mistake. A lot of them.

But I'm only human.

Haha. Now that I've been crucified like JC, let's get back to the matter at hand.

I talked to Eric........."

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

If nothing else, this thread should serve as a golden reminder of WHY corruption has overruled this hobby for decades.


There's an almost invincible layer of trust and protection around certain 'well respected' people. In the same way Eric has been fleecing customers for years, Adam has been doing the same to a lot of the BO community.

Birds of a feather....



I mean, it's not like he's completely stealth with his intentions. He tried his same hype shill method in the Giannis NT thread just a few days ago. 'NT sucks, I honestly think my acetate is a far superior card...it's not even close. Undervalued boys, sell your NT and buy up acetates!'


Oh well. Most likely will still fall upon blind eyes. Been having a good chuckle with another member through pm's this entire time. We'll see how long his staunch supporters will continue to be strung along for the ride.

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Theres also the issue of those guys that trashed anyone who questioned 27Guys integrity and motives. There are several members who took up arms to support him by attacking people who even questioned him. They should be called out as well.

I’d support Adam and think he’s a good guy. Same as I think you two are good members and bring good stuff to this forum.

There’s certain moments for all of us that don’t look good.

As far as I know, Adam hasn’t defrauded anybody. He’s not trimmed cards. He hasn’t been caught shilling. I could go on with all the nefarious things in this hobby that I don’t believe (seen any proof) that Adam has ever been involved in.

He’s brought a wealth of knowledge to this board and been a pretty upstanding member, all things considered.

He knew about the Sohorob (sp?) connection and was mum about that until another member pointed it out. That wasn’t a good look, but that’s on him. Doesn’t make him a bad guy or a bad forum member.

[imbluestreak23]

LeBron ain't no MJ

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Read Adams replies again. He's clearly confused. He's mixing up cards and referring to posts that dont pertain to what buybuymj is saying. Yes, he shouldn't have been because buybuymj is VERY CLEAR in his messaging but that's my take.

Like Jay Conley said, Adam knows he messed up. Not "I purposely withheld proof damning Eric" kinda messed up. More "it was right there in front of me and I didnt see it" messed up.

Anyone else see it that way or do you think I'm way off.

Um, maybe. But then there's that last damning message from buybuymj which very clearly explains the issue with #87. Then he posts the text of the conversation here, but not a screenshot, because he couldn't edit out that last message. Most likely he was just hoping that buybuymj either wouldn't return or had deleted the conversation and couldn't provide proof of that last message.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

LeBron ain't no MJ

Lol never knew this could be an ice breaker.

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[ReggieEvansPC]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Read Adams replies again. He's clearly confused. He's mixing up cards and referring to posts that dont pertain to what buybuymj is saying. Yes, he shouldn't have been because buybuymj is VERY CLEAR in his messaging but that's my take.

Like Jay Conley said, Adam knows he messed up. Not "I purposely withheld proof damning Eric" kinda messed up. More "it was right there in front of me and I didnt see it" messed up.

Anyone else see it that way or do you think I'm way off.

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You're way off.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d support Adam and think he’s a good guy. Same as I think you two are good members and bring good stuff to this forum.

There’s certain moments for all of us that don’t look good.

As far as I know, Adam hasn’t defrauded anybody. He’s not trimmed cards. He hasn’t been caught shilling. I could go on with all the nefarious things in this hobby that I don’t believe (seen any proof) that Adam has ever been involved in.

He’s brought a wealth of knowledge to this board and been a pretty upstanding member, all things considered.

He knew about the Sohorob (sp?) connection and was mum about that until another member pointed it out. That wasn’t a good look, but that’s on him. Doesn’t make him a bad guy or a bad forum member.

My comment wasnt towards 27 himself, rather the guys that come in rushing to put down anyone that asks him a question. Ie.. Jpayne taking jabs at me right after I asked 27guy a couple of questions. Its as if he felt the need to attack me to discredit me prior to 27guy even responding. Its that blind trust and doing what it takes to mute anyone that get in their way that I find troubling.

It happen to Packers2010 as well. He would ask a simple question and it would be followed up by a 27guy socialite that would attack him to throw the conversation off.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by JayConley

I wouldn't say that, at all. He's no doubt in the middle of this entire mess, but to say every card in his collection is dirty would be wrong.

Here's his post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNMs2XsAY7V/

Does it matter? Can you buy any card from him and not suspect it is trimmed? If he is willing to trim 2 of the most expensive cards in the hobby, what wouldn't he do to get a higher grade? His whole inventory is tainted as well as any card that has passed through his hands.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

My comment wasnt towards 27 himself, rather the guys that come in rushing to put down anyone that asks him a question. Ie.. Jpayne taking jabs at me right after I asked 27guy a couple of questions. Its as if he felt the need to attack me to discredit me prior to 27guy even responding. Its that blind trust and doing what it takes to mute anyone that get in their way that I find troubling.

It happen to Packers2010 as well. He would ask a simple question and it would be followed up by a 27guy socialite that would attack him to throw the conversation off.

I understand. I’m just speaking in generalities.

I don’t blind trust any of you schmucks on this forum, but I’d stand up for all of you because generally most people on here are good people. Even the goofballs in the Curry Moon Landing thread.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Thank you. Yes. This is good. As was your post from last night.

If I get time later on, I'll do a post with everything that we KNOW at this point. Maybe other info will come out. Probably not. But at least it will provide a good summary for posterity.

posted on 11-29. either right before or right after buybuymj is giving you the most cruicial info, yet you never said anything. just glancing at your posts on that day and the next, it seems youre pointing fingers at sohrob and grading companies but just a maybe eric knew. sad man, the forum trusted you.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by rats60

Does it matter? Can you buy any card from him and not suspect it is trimmed? If he is willing to trim 2 of the most expensive cards in the hobby, what wouldn't he do to get a higher grade? His whole inventory is tainted as well as any card that has passed through his hands.

I agree. He's had a couple of really tough cards pop up on his website/eBay that are pop 2's and 3's. Cards that are notoriously tough on their centering. What's to say he wouldn't do this with a $2k card since he most likely did it with a $100k card.

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by rats60

Does it matter? Can you buy any card from him and not suspect it is trimmed? If he is willing to trim 2 of the most expensive cards in the hobby, what wouldn't he do to get a higher grade? His whole inventory is tainted as well as any card that has passed through his hands.

It does not matter. You are correct. I hope everyone understands that wasn't what I was trying to say.

Let me be clearer: him having this many further indicts him. In my opinion, the ONLY way he couldn't tell two of them were trimmed is if he is way less knowledgeable about the card than I thought AND all of the other ones are trimmed. Then, trimmed ones wouldn't stand out so much.

[ThoseBackPages]

what was the un-trimmed value of this card in 2013/2014?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JayConley

It does not matter. You are correct. I hope everyone understands that wasn't what I was trying to say.

Let me be clearer: him having this many further indicts him. In my opinion, the ONLY way he couldn't tell two of them were trimmed is if he is way less knowledgeable about the card than I thought AND all of the other ones are trimmed. Then, trimmed ones wouldn't stand out so much.

Would have to be a real dummy not to realize the edges on the #87 changed when he purchased it in 2014! Maybe the dummy excuse is the way to go at this point though.

[ThoseBackPages]

Trimming is Trimming, no doubt about that

but would he have been less willing to "gamble" if the card was "worth" six-figures at the time?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

what was the un-trimmed value of this card in 2013/2014?

The only one to sell on eBay during those two years went for $14k. Looks like it was raw.

[PKIPP]

All of this trimmed pre-panini era card talk is all the more reason to buybuyPRIZM!!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The only one to sell on eBay during those two years went for $14k. Looks like it was raw.

LOL

It was actually #87! I was using PWCC to search initially.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ames-421674949

[PKIPP]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

LOL

It was actually #87! I was using PWCC to search initially.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ames-421674949

The irony is palpable

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

LOL

It was actually #87! I was using PWCC to search initially.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ames-421674949

oh wow

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

This thread really has it all. Just spent 2 hours reading this. Could've taken longer; fortunately, I know which members' posts are worth skipping.

I don't follow the Lebron or Exquisite markets. But as was aptly stated above, if you tug at one part of the web, it affects other parts, too. All serious collectors should review this thread for themselves. Draw your own conclusions, don't let commenters unduly influence your decision. It's OK if there isn't a 100% clear answer. Just acquire the knowledge while acknowledging that it's partial or uncertain.

My halftime analysis (or is this really more like the 4th quarter of this thread?):

1-The27Guy is the man. He admits his biases up front. He is thoughtful, writes plainly, and invites scrutiny. This is why people can disagree with him. Also humble. He sets the standard. Compare to [some of the other posters] on this thread. I had to read stuff 3-4 times and still couldn't grasp some of it. (How much of that is ineptitude vs. obfuscation? Who knows.) With that being said, I disagree with a few things The27Guy said here and there. But I appreciate him saying everything clearly.

2-Pejc300 brought the comic relief in the early going. Come back.

3-What a prescient post about 1/3 the way through, where it was predicted that eventually commenters on this thread will end up banned.

4-Thanks to GeechQuest's post, I googled Bill Mastro for the first time. Whoa!

Originally Posted by Soleternity

You and the others having existential meltdowns in here are the exception, not the norm. Take a break from the thread for a week and you'll get some perspective.

Originally Posted by Soleternity

You literally made a "Merry Xmas everyone" post. I've seen multiple posts open with "The lies, the deception, the deceit, the pure evil..." is this an audition to write murder mystery novels or a thread about basketball cards? The mob mentality is off the rails. And you all feed into each other. This aspect of human nature leads to terrible outcomes. I'm the guy who first looked at this thread a few hours ago and is telling you it's not *that* serious.

We're talking about 2 trimmed Lebron rookies and potentially more owned by BNC. That's a big deal in the context of basketball cards and something I will bear in mind if I ever seek to transact with him. As should everyone. There's many thousands of dollars in value at stake and potentially lost here. But I do not need to point this out, it's already plain to anyone with a brain who is reading this post.

As far as *who* trimmed #87, the evidence is clearly leaning one way, but I've got a feeling there are still a few twists left. That's something you learn after reading enough of these threads.

As far as The27Guy being "busted," relax with all that. The dude is the best commenter on these boards. True, he should've posted about #87 after he got the evidence. But he didn't and it's not a big deal, since the person with the info came forward, as they should have in the first place. It's a weak move to ask The27Guy to post because they're scared of the blowback. In other words, they didn't mind putting the heat on him.

This is you:



Add your name to the list of members whose posts are worth skipping.

Unless BNC or the others surrounding him can pull out some miracle facts and evidence they've been hiding all along, the gavel has met with the sounding block.

[PKIPP]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

This is you:



Add your name to the list of members whose posts are worth skipping.

Unless BNC or the others surrounding him can pull out some miracle facts and evidence they've been hiding all along, the gavel has met with the sounding block.

This ^^^

something tells me this won't be happening though..

Take em away boys

[nman84]

Lol for someone who did not alter cards or try to sell altered cards (the point of this thread), the27guy comes out of this looking so bad

I was not surprised he was the member buybuymj contacted

[Soleternity]

Lol, I knew that little zing was gonna get to ya, Abra. Yes, it was aimed at you, and I'm glad you realized it.

You and the Puritanical mob are constantly looking for witches to burn. Once in a while, you find one. Looks like you're getting your scalp today. The evidence against BNC is bad. I've got zero affiliation to BNC. I'd just like to know the truth.

But anyone with a shred of objectivity left will be curious to hear the full story behind #87's grading and provenance, which is nowhere near fully disclosed at this moment. There are still pieces left to be filled in, as theLUCKYshow has been indicating. In that sense, I do appreciate Abra and the mob (although I don't recommend reading 90% of their self-righteous garbage) because they pressure the accused to defend themselves.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by nman84

Lol for someone who did not alter cards or try to sell altered cards (the point of this thread), the27guy comes out of this looking so bad

I was not surprised he was the member buybuymj contacted

People with the money can get away with murder because so many people suck up to them. Im not even necessarily singling out 27guy, Im just talking in general. I see it all the time on this forum.