Hall of Famers We Are Watching in 2020

[Skipscards]

To be clear there is good reason Suarez has not been mentioned in this thread.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

To be clear there is good reason Suarez has not been mentioned in this thread.

I thought it might have been a PED ban but got nothing. on a search. So I'm left with that he sent the Royals packing in the playoffs at some point in his career. I'm not looking that up.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I thought it might have been a PED ban but got nothing. on a search. So I'm left with that he sent the Royals packing in the playoffs at some point in his career. I'm not looking that up.

Nah, just, the thread is “Hall of Famers we are watching…” and he ain’t one of them.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I'm sure we've had this conversation before with the likes of Adam Dunn,Konerko, Soriano and the latest Cruz. Of course Cruz had the PED ban anyway. It's hard for any athlete to continue into their late 30's for obvious reasons. It really takes a great athlete and a lot of commitment. Then its not often a team takes a chance unless they are stuck in a contract especially when you have 20-somethings in a league below waiting in the wings. It really makes you appreciate position players like Rickey Henderson, Julio Franco and all the others I missed. The only active hitter Post-35 that has a chance for the HOF I can think of is Andrew McCutchen and he seems to be doing well for the Pirates. I believe he was given a chance because they need to sell tickets. Any other hitters I missed? What is going against Suarez is he is stuck team hopping. That's never good for a player that'll end up being a DH towards the end of their career. On a contract by contract basis, its not looking good. He is currently averaging roughly 27 home runs in his 30's. The expected power drop, he'll be falling each year. Better hitters will be available to DH by then as the current players in their prime age. Then you have young players that can give that output and offer something on the field.



The same applies to pitchers but not necessarily to the same degree. I'd bump it up about 3 years as many of the good ones can play into their late 30s. So what Nolan Ryan, Verlander and others have done in their 40's is pretty amazing. That's what we are all hoping Degrom can do and he has the mileage left on his arm to keep going. Its the rest of his parts that we are concerned with.

Goldie is 37 and seems like a lock to me. 64 fWAR and still producing. Freeman and Altuve are both 35 and still producing. Freddie is a lock, Altuve seems borderline with the trashcan stuff and a possible steep decline coming soon. I'd bet he gets in though.

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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Goldie is 37 and seems like a lock to me. 64 fWAR and still producing. Freeman and Altuve are both 35 and still producing. Freddie is a lock, Altuve seems borderline with the trashcan stuff and a possible steep decline coming soon. I'd bet he gets in though.

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Like him or hate him, Altuve has been a stud. He is 1 of 3 active players with 3 batting titles. He has an MVP and has 27 postseason HR and .271 postseason BA. That HR total is more than Jeter and he has a higher SLG than Jeter in playoffs.
No one expected him to hit for as much power as he has, and Astros actually paid him to go away at his tryout saying he was too small.


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[redauto5]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Like him or hate him, Altuve has been a stud. He is 1 of 3 active players with 3 batting titles. He has an MVP and has 27 postseason HR and .271 postseason BA. That HR total is more than Jeter and he has a higher SLG than Jeter in playoffs.
No one expected him to hit for as much power as he has, and Astros actually paid him to go away at his tryout saying he was too small.


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I love me some Altuve, actually wearing a shirzy of his as I type! I agree he's a phenomenal talent and hope he gets the recognition he deserves

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[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Like him or hate him, Altuve has been a stud. He is 1 of 3 active players with 3 batting titles. He has an MVP and has 27 postseason HR and .271 postseason BA. That HR total is more than Jeter and he has a higher SLG than Jeter in playoffs.
No one expected him to hit for as much power as he has, and Astros actually paid him to go away at his tryout saying he was too small.


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* Altuve

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Like him or hate him, Altuve has been a stud. He is 1 of 3 active players with 3 batting titles. He has an MVP and has 27 postseason HR and .271 postseason BA. That HR total is more than Jeter and he has a higher SLG than Jeter in playoffs.
No one expected him to hit for as much power as he has, and Astros actually paid him to go away at his tryout saying he was too small.


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I’ve posted before that Altuve will be 1st ballot. The BBWA marvel at the guy. He’s the size of Tim Kurkjian and drives the ball 400ft. Some of us take for granted how talented this guy is considering the physical limitation.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Goldie is 37 and seems like a lock to me. 64 fWAR and still producing. Freeman and Altuve are both 35 and still producing. Freddie is a lock, Altuve seems borderline with the trashcan stuff and a possible steep decline coming soon. I'd bet he gets in though.

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Blowout cares waaaaaay more about the trashcan scandal than the BWAA does. The writers only care about the PED kind of cheating. Someone like Gaylord Perry was elected into the Hall of Fame on his third ballot. Altuve will get in on his first or second ballot.

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Ok, so one player no one has ever mentioned in this thread (I’m assuming, I am not combing thru 42 pages of comments):

Eugenio Suarez.

He just hit home run #300.

He’s only 33 years old. Probably will put up another 100 - 120 home runs. Pretty good career.

What if though he goes to a hitters paradise, stays healthy, moves to first or DH, and finishes above 500? It’s not far fetched. Maybe like a 2 to 5 pct chance of happening…. But possible…. Does he hit 500 and miss Cooperstown? Should I buy Eugenio Suarez stock on the off chance he does something special?

(My answer is no, but…. Just throwing that out there)

I don't think he reaches 500, he'd need to essentially equal his career high power numbers for the next 6 years. He reminds me of Adam Dunn, a net negative in the field and an the base paths and essentially a TTO hitter. He is a better defender and not quite as good a power hitter. But I even if he reaches 500 I cant see it, he would probably become more infamous for being a 500-HR club member who fell off the HOF ballot in his first year.

[ThoseBackPages]

Juan Soto

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

1. If Judge retired today, he may eventually get in the Hall of Fame, but would not be a lock. At the moment, his career has a very Roger Maris feel to it. If he finishes this season with his 3rd MVP, then yeah, he’s a lock.

This is the deGrom vs Johan argument all over again. These two are not comparable.

1) Maris himself was on the ballot for 15 years and peaked at 41%.

2) Maris was never considered the best hitter or player on his own team, let alone in all of baseball.

3) Judge's career OPS+ is 50 points higher.

4) Judge has had 5 seasons of higher OPS+ than Maris's two best MVP seasons.

5) Maris had the two MVP and one other season where he finshed 25th. Judge has the two MVP plus a 2nd and 4th, let alone the two downballot years.

6) Judge has already been to more ASG and has more HR.

7) Judge has >20 more WAR than Maris.

If Judge called it quits today not only would he get elected by the writers, it would be a no doubt 1st ballot election.

[rwperu34]

Egenio Suarez over the last 365 days;

.278/48/135 with 111 runs. He's been on fire for a full calendar year.

[rwperu34]

To put some more context on Suarez, there have been 19 players in the history of the game to hit 200+ HR from age 33 on. Ten of them are in the HOF. A few of the guys who aren't are PED guys.

Here's the list;

In HOF: Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Ortiz, Thome, Pujols, Reggie, Edgar Martinez, Musial, Fisk, Winfield

Note that 6 of those gusy played during the PED era with Ortiz a known user.

Not in HOF, PED: Bonds, Cruz, Palmeiro, McGwire

Not in HOF: Galarraga, Darrell Evans, Ibanez, Hank Sauer

I think the takeaway should be it is difficult, but not impossible to hit 200 HR after age 33.

The other takeaway is somebody needs to tell me about Hank Sauer. I'm guessing military service is a part of it, but what the heck happened in 46 and 47?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

This is the deGrom vs Johan argument all over again. These two are not comparable.

1) Maris himself was on the ballot for 15 years and peaked at 41%.

2) Maris was never considered the best hitter or player on his own team, let alone in all of baseball.

3) Judge's career OPS+ is 50 points higher.

4) Judge has had 5 seasons of higher OPS+ than Maris's two best MVP seasons.

5) Maris had the two MVP and one other season where he finshed 25th. Judge has the two MVP plus a 2nd and 4th, let alone the two downballot years.

6) Judge has already been to more ASG and has more HR.

7) Judge has >20 more WAR than Maris.

If Judge called it quits today not only would he get elected by the writers, it would be a no doubt 1st ballot election.

Maris also went to 7 World Series and won 3 Championships. Judge is better than Maris, sure, but his career still has a Maris feel to it. He would not get in the Hall today.

There are zero Hall of Famers with fewer than 1150 hits in the Hall of Fame who weren’t Negro Leaguers.

[ThoseBackPages]

The Hall is more about being popular, now

sure you needs stats, but its not like it used to be.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

To put some more context on Suarez, there have been 19 players in the history of the game to hit 200+ HR from age 33 on. Ten of them are in the HOF. A few of the guys who aren't are PED guys.

Here's the list;

In HOF: Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Ortiz, Thome, Pujols, Reggie, Edgar Martinez, Musial, Fisk, Winfield

Note that 6 of those gusy played during the PED era with Ortiz a known user.

Not in HOF, PED: Bonds, Cruz, Palmeiro, McGwire

Not in HOF: Galarraga, Darrell Evans, Ibanez, Hank Sauer

I think the takeaway should be it is difficult, but not impossible to hit 200 HR after age 33.

The other takeaway is somebody needs to tell me about Hank Sauer. I'm guessing military service is a part of it, but what the heck happened in 46 and 47?

Sauer served in the military in ‘43 and ‘44. Then he seriously injured his ankle in ‘45 and was optioned to AA. He got stuck in the minors for 2 years hitting 50 HRs in ‘47 for Syracuse. After that, he was called up to stay.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

The Hall is more about being popular, now

sure you needs stats, but its not like it used to be.

It’s always been about stats and narrative. What player did the BBWAA elect recently that wasn’t about stats?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

It’s always been about stats and narrative. What player did the BBWAA elect recently that wasn’t about stats?

im saying that the voters liking you has more weight now with so many of the voters being young nerds

[corockies]

Is any team gonna sign Zack Greinke for a run this year? He hasn't officially retired yet and has supposedly stayed in game shape. He only needs 21 strikeouts for 3000. Only thing really holding him back is age (41).

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Maris also went to 7 World Series and won 3 Championships. Judge is better than Maris, sure, but his career still has a Maris feel to it. He would not get in the Hall today.

There are zero Hall of Famers with fewer than 1150 hits in the Hall of Fame who weren’t Negro Leaguers.

IMO the only reason Judge wouldn't get in if he retired today is because he hasn't reached the 10 yr requirement.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by marl1220

IMO the only reason Judge wouldn't get in if he retired today is because he hasn't reached the 10 yr requirement.

He has reached the 10 year requirement. By what measure would he get in? He has fewer HRs than Curtis Granderson. He’s got 1,131 hits. His post season career has been less than stellar. Yes, he’s won 2 MVPs but so has Roger Maris. Judge is very close and doesn’t have to do much, but he definitely needs to do a little more.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

He has reached the 10 year requirement. By what measure would he get in? He has fewer HRs than Curtis Granderson. He’s got 1,131 hits. His post season career has been less than stellar. Yes, he’s won 2 MVPs but so has Roger Maris. Judge is very close and doesn’t have to do much, but he definitely needs to do a little more.

He is in on dominance and 62 HR. He has never not been dominant. If something happened and he left the game tomorrow, he is in. However, if by some absurd scenario, he plays 5 more years and accumulates zero to negative WAR, then maybe you'll be right. You would have to be crazy to bet against Judge getting into the hall at this point.

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[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

This is the deGrom vs Johan argument all over again. These two are not comparable.

1) Maris himself was on the ballot for 15 years and peaked at 41%.

2) Maris was never considered the best hitter or player on his own team, let alone in all of baseball.

3) Judge's career OPS+ is 50 points higher.

4) Judge has had 5 seasons of higher OPS+ than Maris's two best MVP seasons.

5) Maris had the two MVP and one other season where he finshed 25th. Judge has the two MVP plus a 2nd and 4th, let alone the two downballot years.

6) Judge has already been to more ASG and has more HR.

7) Judge has >20 more WAR than Maris.

If Judge called it quits today not only would he get elected by the writers, it would be a no doubt 1st ballot election.

Red Sox fan and I agree with you 100%. Although I do think Maris should be in based on the “fame” part of “Hall of FAME”.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

This is the deGrom vs Johan argument all over again. These two are not comparable.

1) Maris himself was on the ballot for 15 years and peaked at 41%.

2) Maris was never considered the best hitter or player on his own team, let alone in all of baseball.

3) Judge's career OPS+ is 50 points higher.

4) Judge has had 5 seasons of higher OPS+ than Maris's two best MVP seasons.

5) Maris had the two MVP and one other season where he finshed 25th. Judge has the two MVP plus a 2nd and 4th, let alone the two downballot years.

6) Judge has already been to more ASG and has more HR.

7) Judge has >20 more WAR than Maris.

If Judge called it quits today not only would he get elected by the writers, it would be a no doubt 1st ballot election.

To be fair - he was elected MVP in 1960 and 61. That means that someone (multiple people) thought he was a better hitter than Mantle (finished 2nd both times), Yogi, and whomever else. Unless mantle pitched during those seasons… which I don’t see