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Old 11-23-2021, 12:48 AM   #11726
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I just got destroyed on two of my Express orders. It seems that PSA hates giving 10’s to Bowman Chrome Auto’s. Out of 7 sent in, 2 x GEMS and 5 x 9’s. All of the hugest value cards got a 9. I had expected one 9, maybe 2 and so far I’ve been pretty close with my expected grades. I’m finding express has the toughest graders of the levels still grading though. I did Gem a Prizm Base Lamelo I was 50/50 on….
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:15 AM   #11727
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2/17 Research just went into Assembly
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:34 AM   #11728
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So I just got the results of my Ultra Modern Bulk submission from last December back. This was only my second grading submission and I must say I am pleasantly surprised. I submitted 89 cards (all ultra modern except for 11 older cards I added in and they accepted as part of the UM submission at the same pricing).

Of the 78 Modern cards, 64 came back as PSA 10, 12 PSA 9 and 2 returned for minimum grade (had all set at 9 min). I suppose that is good for someone who is a beginner at submitting. I have been hearing how tough PSA has become so either I got lucky or just did a good job looking every card over in detail before submitting. I’d estimate I only sent in 1/3 of the cards I looked over.

I am also fairly happy about the 11 older cards on this submission:

PSA 9 Ken Griffey JR 1989 UD Rookie
PSA 9 2000 Pacific Cramer's Choice Awards Peyton Manning

9 Jordan Cards from 1993-1997
2x PSA 10
4x PSA 9
2x PSA 8
1 PSA 7

I never imagined the results would come back this favorable. Do most people get this gem rate? I am not sure the average or anything like that.
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Old 11-23-2021, 05:18 AM   #11729
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If PSA upcharges cards in an order, what step do they usually do that at?
QA2. I just got up charged on my Lebron Topps chrome. Sent in express as I thought a psa 9 was bang on. Ended up getting a 10!!
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:15 PM   #11730
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Order Type: Quarterly Grading Special (Football)
# of cards: 20
Order delivered: 12/12/20
Order received per PSA: 12/15/20
Research & ID: 2/18/21
Grading: 8/2/21
Assembly: 11/22/21
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:54 PM   #11731
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QA2. I just got up charged on my Lebron Topps chrome. Sent in express as I thought a psa 9 was bang on. Ended up getting a 10!!
Nice...congrats!
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:58 PM   #11732
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2/11 80 card mixed sports went from Assembly to Q1 to QA2 to list disappeared within about 24 hours.

1/25 51 card TCG Pokémon stuck in assembly for about two weeks now. Weird.

Backdoored some grades on each and looking like a plethora of 10s.

Edit: The 2/11 order popped with 62/80 gem.
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Old 11-23-2021, 04:32 PM   #11733
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Value Modern:
arrived: 12/10/20
Entered: 02/03/21
Grading: 08/01/20
Assembly: 11/15/21
QA 1: 11/19/21
QA 2: 11/23/21


Used the what if trick and ended up with a nice PSA 10 Brady Black Refractor..
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:11 PM   #11734
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2/11 80 card mixed sports went from Assembly to Q1 to QA2 to list disappeared within about 24 hours.

1/25 51 card TCG Pokémon stuck in assembly for about two weeks now. Weird.

Backdoored some grades on each and looking like a plethora of 10s.

Edit: The 2/11 order popped with 62/80 gem.
How do you back door to get grades?
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:21 PM   #11735
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Express
# of Cards: 1
arrived: 11/18/21
Entered: 11/19/21
Grading: 11/23/21
Assembly: TBD
QA 1: TBD
QA 2: TBD

***I will edit post as updates happen
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Old 11-23-2021, 09:46 PM   #11736
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How do you back door to get grades?
You need to have the PSA Set Registry App. Once your order is in assembly you can "what if" the add to the set registry. An 11 or 12 is getting a 10. A 9 is getting a 9. Not every card is in a registry therefore it mainly works for rookies, HOF, and hugely collected superstars.

It gives me an idea if I got the GOD (grader of death) or not. The 5 Charizard cards in my Pokemon order are all gem so I'm feeling good about the rest of that order.
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:15 PM   #11737
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Order Type: Express
# of cards: 3
Delivered by USPS: 11/13
Picked up by PSA: 11/15
Order Arrived: 11/15
Order received per PSA: 11/16
Grading: 11/19
Assembly: 11/23
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Hit assembly today....used the registry trick, 3/3 Gem
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:23 PM   #11738
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Looks like PSA is handing 10's out like the old days again! Nice!
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Old 11-24-2021, 02:44 AM   #11739
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Looks like PSA is handing 10's out like the old days again! Nice!
Wrong! Got slaughtered on mine they just popped
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Old 11-24-2021, 02:48 AM   #11740
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Wrong! Got slaughtered on mine they just popped
Back doored a few on my ultra bulk modern. Looking at 25-30% gem.
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Old 11-24-2021, 02:58 AM   #11741
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Welp this order didn't do too good, worried about my 2nd order now. 49 PSA 10's out of 120.... 40% Gem Rate... yikes my grader was not having it. 2019 Tatis rookies did horrible, was not expecting so many 9's. I don't get it lol

Order Type: Bulk Value Ultra Modern
# of cards: 120
Order delivered: 10/5/20
Order received per PSA: 10/16/20
Research & ID: 1/18/21
Grading: 8/9/21
Assembly: 11/18/21
QA1: 11/20/21
QA2: 11/22/21
Popped: 11/24/21

MINT 9 2017 Topps Update US50 Cody Bellinger Swinging-Gold
NEAR MINT 7 2017 Topps Chrome Update HMT10 Cody Bellinger Refractor
MINT 9 2018 Topps 177 Walker Buehler Gold
MINT 9 2018 Bowman Paper Prospects BP21 Luis Robert
MINT 9 2018 Bowman Mega Box Chrome BCP114 Fernando Tatis Jr. Purple Refractor
GEM MINT 10 2018 Bowman Mega Box Chrome BCP50 Eloy Jimenez Gray Jersey-Purple Refractor
MINT 9 2018 Topps Chrome Sapphire Edition Rookie Autographs AC-OA Ozzie Albies
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 193 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 193 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 193 Ronald Acuna Jr.
MINT 9 2018 Topps Chrome 193 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome 31 Gleyber Torres
MINT 9 2018 Topps 698 Ronald Acuna Jr. Bat Down
MINT 9 2018 Topps 699 Gleyber Torres
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto Chrome
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 502 Juan Soto
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
MINT 9 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr.
MINT 9 2018 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP186 Kristian Robinson
MINT 9 2018 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP186 Kristian Robinson
MINT 9 2018 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP186 Kristian Robinson
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US1 Shohei Ohtani Pitching in Red Jersey
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US200 Gleyber Torres Pinstripe Jersey
MINT 9 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting
MINT 9 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome Update HMT55 Juan Soto Pink Refractor
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome Update HMT55 Juan Soto
GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Chrome Update HMT25 Ronald Acuna Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP33 Julio Rodriguez
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP33 Julio Rodriguez
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP33 Julio Rodriguez
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Prospects Chrome 33 Julio Rodriguez
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Prospects Chrome 33 Julio Rodriguez
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 33 Julio Rodriguez
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 33 Julio Rodriguez
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 33 Julio Rodriguez
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP44 Luis Robert
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP44 Luis Robert
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 44 Luis Robert
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 44 Luis Robert
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 44 Luis Robert
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 44 Luis Robert
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP82 Marco Luciano
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP82 Marco Luciano
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP82 Marco Luciano
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 82 Marco Luciano
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Prospects Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Mega Box Chrome 97 Noelvi Marte
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco Camo
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco Camo
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Paper Prospects BP100 Wander Franco
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Prospects Chrome 100 Wander Franco
MINT 9 2019 Bowman Sterling BSR61 Pete Alonso Black Atomic Refractor
GEM MINT 10 2019 Bowman Sterling BSR73 Fernando Tatis Jr. Blue Refractor
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINIMUM GRADE 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps 410 Fernando Tatis Jr.
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
MINT 9 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
MINT 9 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
MINT 9 2019 Topps 475 Pete Alonso
MINT 9 2019 Topps 670 Eloy Jimenez
MINT 9 2019 Topps 670 Eloy Jimenez
MINT 9 2019 Topps on Demand 3D US1 Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps Holiday 126 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps Holiday 126 Fernando Tatis Jr.
MINT 9 2019 Topps Holiday 101 Eloy Jimenez Metallic
MINT 9 2019 Topps Holiday 101 Eloy Jimenez
MINT 9 2019 Bowman's Best Future Foundations Die-Cut Autograph Jr Julio Rodriguez Atomic Refractor
GEM MINT 10 2020 Topps 64 Kyle Lewis
MINT 9 2020 Topps 292 Gavin Lux SP
MINT 9 2020 Topps 392 Luis Robert Rainbow Foil
MINT 9 2018 Panini Prizm Emergent 3 Luka Doncic
GEM MINT 10 2018 Panini Prizm Emergent 5 Trae Young
MINT 9 2018 Panini Prizm Freshman Phenoms 21 Trae Young
MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm Draft Picks 2 JA Morant Pink Pulsar Prizm
MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm Draft Picks 100 Zion Williamson Silver Prizm
GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic My House! 13 LeBron James Holo
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Old 11-24-2021, 04:11 PM   #11742
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Wrong! Got slaughtered on mine they just popped
Registry trick was messed up for one of my cards.. thought my Brady Refractor got a 10 because it showed the 11 on what if.. turned out to be an 8.5!?! Could QA be kicking grades back?

The rest of the order ended up matching.. WTH is going on?
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Old 11-24-2021, 05:02 PM   #11743
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2/18 - 124 card mixed sports hit Assembly today. A backdoor sampling of the Aaron Donald and Michael Jordan cards suggests a ~75% gem rate.

The 1/25 Pokémon still in Assembly after two weeks.
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Old 11-24-2021, 06:16 PM   #11744
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MOVEMENT!

Order Type: Value Ultra Modern
# of cards: 70
Order delivered: 12/8/2020
Order received per PSA: 12/11/2020
Entered Research & ID: 2/17/2021
Grading: 08/10/2021
Assembly: 11/24/2021
QA1:
QA2:
Shipped:

Order Type: Value Ultra Modern
# of cards: 11
Order delivered: 3/15/2021
Order received per PSA: 3/18/2021
Entered Research & ID: 4/30/2021
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Old 11-24-2021, 06:29 PM   #11745
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I'm a noob and my first submission to PSA just hit Assembly!

I'm trying this PSA Set Registry ''What if'' and it doesn't work

Do I need to wait like 24hours?

Edit : I find the way to look at my grade!!

30x PSA 10
30x PSA 9
3x PSA 8
1x NAN ..... What does that mean???
6x That I can't see my grade because there is no Set register for them

Is it good for a first submission?
If I only look at the 63 that I can see grade, I am 30 on 63 (47.62%)
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Old 11-24-2021, 07:08 PM   #11746
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Registry trick was messed up for one of my cards.. thought my Brady Refractor got a 10 because it showed the 11 on what if.. turned out to be an 8.5!?! Could QA be kicking grades back?

The rest of the order ended up matching.. WTH is going on?
I almost replied to your post the other day to hold on before getting too excited. I'm sorry man. I had a card about a month ago in a submission that showed 11 using the trick and then was a 9 after grades popped. That is also my suspicion that maybe they are evaluating again or noticing flaws overlooked and sending back to get reslabbed. Now I check using the trick, but try to temper expectations until I see the grades pop.
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Old 11-24-2021, 07:12 PM   #11747
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I almost replied to your post the other day to hold on before getting too excited. I'm sorry man. I had a card about a month ago in a submission that showed 11 using the trick and then was a 9 after grades popped. That is also my suspicion that maybe they are evaluating again or noticing flaws overlooked and sending back to get reslabbed. Now I check using the trick, but try to temper expectations until I see the grades pop.
Yea it definitely was a kick in the nutts .. now I know to temper expectations.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:51 AM   #11748
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I almost replied to your post the other day to hold on before getting too excited. I'm sorry man. I had a card about a month ago in a submission that showed 11 using the trick and then was a 9 after grades popped. That is also my suspicion that maybe they are evaluating again or noticing flaws overlooked and sending back to get reslabbed. Now I check using the trick, but try to temper expectations until I see the grades pop.
Must have been a rarely graded card. A Pop 1 PSA 9 with no 10s existing will show up as an 11 on the What if? method.
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Just got two subs done and ready to ship. Went 23/27 on psa 10’s. Biggest cards were fleer metal cyber metal Kobe rc psa 10, upper deck generations kobe/jordan psa 10, topps first row in the post Kobe /99 psa 10, upper deck draft edition stephen curry rc psa 10, mosaic orange reactive herbert psa 10 rc, mosaic tom Brady silver psa 10, mosaic mahomes silver prizm psa 10, and upper deck North Carolina dream team lenticular jordan psa 10
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Old 11-25-2021, 09:23 AM   #11750
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Extremely happy with this order went 51/60 gem rest 9's

Order Type: Bulk Value Ultra Modern
# of cards: 60
Order delivered: 11/19/20
Order received per PSA: 11/25/20
Research & ID: 2/09/21
Grading: 8/12/21
Assembly: 10/20/21
QA1: 11/03/21
QA2: 11/09/21
Popped: 11/24/21

MINT 9 2020 Panini Prizm Draft Picks 104 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Prizm Draft Picks 104 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb
MINT 9 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb Canvas
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Donruss 306 Ceedee Lamb Canvas
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
MINT 9 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb
MINT 9 2020 Panini Absolute 115 Ceedee Lamb Green
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 222 Jalen Hurts
MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 339 Tony Pollard
GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 339 Tony Pollard
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 265 Jalen Hurts Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Reactive Orange
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Reactive Orange
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Reactive Orange
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Reactive Orange
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Camo Pink
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Camo Pink
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Camo Pink
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Camo Pink
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Camo Pink
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb Green Mosaic
MINT 9 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb Silver Prizm
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb SP
MINT 9 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
MINT 9 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Mosaic 268 Ceedee Lamb
MINT 9 2020 Panini Mosaic 207 Ceedee Lamb
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