✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 479

hammertime · 06-09-2023, 11:01 AM

Well I'm excited because Sho has officially cracked the BWAR all-time top 1000. Will be fun to watch him work his way up the list. Currently at 983.

seanrs1 · 06-09-2023, 11:56 AM

Can anyone explain to me why rookie debut cards are not popular in general? What year did the RD cards first appear? I didn't start collecting again until covid. Seems strange that collectors wouldn't like cards with a photo from the player when they actually debut. I actually really like Ohtani RD cards.

BC Hunt · 06-09-2023, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can anyone explain to me why rookie debut cards are not popular in general? What year did the RD cards first appear? I didn't start collecting again until covid. Seems strange that collectors wouldn't like cards with a photo from the player when they actually debut. I actually really like Ohtani RD cards.

agree, and it's a nice hitting image too.

LVDan · 06-09-2023, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can anyone explain to me why rookie debut cards are not popular in general? What year did the RD cards first appear? I didn't start collecting again until covid. Seems strange that collectors wouldn't like cards with a photo from the player when they actually debut. I actually really like Ohtani RD cards.

Because starting in ‘14(?) Topps decided to issue a redundant 2nd flagship card with the top guys noting the rookie debut date. If they were “the” only RC and had the RD date it wouldn’t be an issue. As it stands it’s considered a 2nd flagship RC(whether issued in the same series or subsequent series) and carries significant disdain compared to the original. Like an otherwise attractive human with a large growth on their face.
The hitting image of Ohtani is the first time I can recall an RD card garnering any noticeable interest on its own.

seanrs1 · 06-09-2023, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVDan

Because starting in ‘14(?) Topps decided to issue a redundant 2nd flagship card with the top guys noting the rookie debut date. If they were “the” only RC and had the RD date it wouldn’t be an issue. As it stands it’s considered a 2nd flagship RC(whether issued in the same series or subsequent series) and carries significant disdain compared to the original. Like an otherwise attractive human with a large growth on their face.
The hitting image of Ohtani is the first time I can recall an RD card garnering any noticeable interest on its own.

So I get the disdain for a 2nd RC (even thought the RC logo is on every topps card once their RC designated year including inserts). But I would think getting a card with a genuine photo from their rookie debut (not a photoshoped RC card) would actually be a desirable thing. That was my biggest point. You know the photo is from the players actual debut.

ThoseBackPages · 06-09-2023, 01:28 PM

it all started in 2012 when the pumpers pushed the 2012 Update RD Harper as his Rookie Card (IGNORING his ASG Card in the same set because for some reason Topps forgot to put the RC Logo on it)

his Rookie Card is in 2012 Series 2 packs.

eta: RD's started in 2012. They are more of a subset card than anything else.

Qubits · 06-09-2023, 01:33 PM

I personally don't want 2018 Topps Update Ohtani that much at all (pitching or RD) because he was in series 2.

ThoseBackPages · 06-09-2023, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qubits

I personally don't want 2018 Topps Update Ohtani that much at all (pitching or RD) because he was in series 2.

totally understandable as his Rookie Card and parallels are in S2

his Update stuff is a nice consolation prize in the Juan Soto release

LVDan · 06-09-2023, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

it all started in 2012 when the pumpers pushed the 2012 Update RD Harper as his Rookie Card (IGNORING his ASG Card in the same set because for some reason Topps forgot to put the RC Logo on it)

his Rookie Card is in 2012 Series 2 packs.

eta: RD's started in 2012. They are more of a subset card than anything else.

Ah yes, 2012. Thanks for the correction E. I was out from 2009-2016

Not surprising it originated in BH's RC year. Much like the RC logo on inserts did in Soto/Acuna/Ohtani's. More chances to hit a "rookie card" of the game's most promising young players.

ThoseBackPages · 06-09-2023, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVDan

Ah yes, 2012. Thanks for the correction E. I was out from 2009-2016

Not surprising it originated in BH's RC year. Much like the RC logo on inserts did in Soto/Acuna/Ohtani's. More chances to hit a "rookie card" of the game's most promising young players.

Yea, 2012 was pretty crazy!

#ThanksTopps

Clapham25 · 06-09-2023, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammertime

Well I'm excited because Sho has officially cracked the BWAR all-time top 1000. Will be fun to watch him work his way up the list. Currently at 983.

And only 5 years in - wild!

ChefCurry312 · 06-09-2023, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can anyone explain to me why rookie debut cards are not popular in general? What year did the RD cards first appear? I didn't start collecting again until covid. Seems strange that collectors wouldn't like cards with a photo from the player when they actually debut. I actually really like Ohtani RD cards.

In general, the hobby doesn’t view them as a true rookie card. Rookie debut cards are seen as more of an insert. Under certain circumstances, they sometimes become semi valuable (Ohtani’s RD is actually more valuable than most because he’s batting vs pitching in S2/Update). Another example was the 2019 Tatis rookie debut (before the PED suspension). It was sought after because his base flagship rookie was horizontal and fielding and his rookie debut card was batting and vertical.

BC Hunt · 06-09-2023, 07:27 PM

Ohtani carrying the hobby

JRX · 06-09-2023, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefCurry312

In general, the hobby doesn’t view them as a true rookie card. Rookie debut cards are seen as more of an insert. Under certain circumstances, they sometimes become semi valuable (Ohtani’s RD is actually more valuable than most because he’s batting vs pitching in S2/Update). Another example was the 2019 Tatis rookie debut (before the PED suspension). It was sought after because his base flagship rookie was horizontal and fielding and his rookie debut card was batting and vertical.

Which is weird because in theory it's an image from their first game. If anything the rd should be the one true rc.

Sent from my SM-A546U1 using Tapatalk

Trueblue · 06-09-2023, 08:47 PM

Gotta be kidding me with this first inning

Vdm2018 · 06-09-2023, 08:48 PM

Pitching images goin down the drain. Urghhh

hammertime · 06-09-2023, 08:50 PM

Hey another sweeper to a lefty! Sighhhhhhhhhh.

hammertime · 06-09-2023, 09:31 PM

Alright I forgive him

Trueblue · 06-09-2023, 09:31 PM

POLARIZING #17

Qubits · 06-09-2023, 09:32 PM

2 run bomb makes up for the one he gave up in the first nicely.

hammertime · 06-09-2023, 09:32 PM

Dare I say, cycle watch one more time??

Vdm2018 · 06-09-2023, 09:34 PM

Yordan and Judge out due to IL. Shohei Ohtani need to become
AL homerun leader.

Hitting images to the moon!!

Trueblue · 06-09-2023, 10:06 PM

I think he comes back out for the 6th

Nm!

Trueblue · 06-09-2023, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammertime

Dare I say, cycle watch one more time??

Yikes.

hammertime · 06-09-2023, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammertime

Dare I say, cycle watch one more time??

Just needs the triple! THIRD time he's been 1 hit away as the SP this year.

06-09-2023, 11:56 AM	#11952
seanrs1 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,717	Can anyone explain to me why rookie debut cards are not popular in general? What year did the RD cards first appear? I didn't start collecting again until covid. Seems strange that collectors wouldn't like cards with a photo from the player when they actually debut. I actually really like Ohtani RD cards. Last edited by seanrs1; 06-09-2023 at 12:02 PM.

06-09-2023, 01:28 PM	#11956
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,120 ThoseBackPages	it all started in 2012 when the pumpers pushed the 2012 Update RD Harper as his Rookie Card (IGNORING his ASG Card in the same set because for some reason Topps forgot to put the RC Logo on it) his Rookie Card is in 2012 Series 2 packs. eta: RD's started in 2012. They are more of a subset card than anything else. __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-09-2023, 10:06 PM	#11973
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,348	I think he comes back out for the 6th Nm! Last edited by Trueblue; 06-09-2023 at 10:16 PM.

06-09-2023, 11:01 AM	#11951
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,586	Well I'm excited because Sho has officially cracked the BWAR all-time top 1000. Will be fun to watch him work his way up the list. Currently at 983.

06-09-2023, 01:33 PM	#11957
Qubits Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 828	I personally don't want 2018 Topps Update Ohtani that much at all (pitching or RD) because he was in series 2.

06-09-2023, 07:27 PM	#11963
BC Hunt Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,736 bicum70	Ohtani carrying the hobby

06-09-2023, 08:47 PM	#11965
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,348	Gotta be kidding me with this first inning

06-09-2023, 08:48 PM	#11966
Vdm2018 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: New York Posts: 2,045 Vqle280z	Pitching images goin down the drain. Urghhh

06-09-2023, 08:50 PM	#11967
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,586	Hey another sweeper to a lefty! Sighhhhhhhhhh.

06-09-2023, 09:31 PM	#11968
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,586	Alright I forgive him

06-09-2023, 09:31 PM	#11969
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,348	POLARIZING #17

06-09-2023, 09:32 PM	#11970
Qubits Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 828	2 run bomb makes up for the one he gave up in the first nicely.

06-09-2023, 09:32 PM	#11971
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,586	Dare I say, cycle watch one more time??

06-09-2023, 09:34 PM	#11972
Vdm2018 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: New York Posts: 2,045 Vqle280z	Yordan and Judge out due to IL. Shohei Ohtani need to become AL homerun leader. Hitting images to the moon!!