WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[mikecamp99]

So far I'm seeing the card looking like:

Reigns v Lesnar (Title)
Ambrose v Barrett (Title)
Cena v Rusev (Title, maybe?)
Cesaro and Kidd vs Usos (Title, meaning Cesaro doesn't defend battle royal)
Rollins v Orton
Wyatt v Undertaker (Idk if Taker is coming back, I'm almost starting to believe a demon Kane makes a comeback)
HHH v Sting
Miz v Mizdow
Stardust v Goldust
Nikki Bella v Paige
Womans tag team match as filler
Andre the Giant Battle Royale

WWE doesn't need to have a pre-show for matchs, if you want a pre-show for WM maybe have whose ever song it is for WM perform live, all the matches should be on the actual show. And if this is the case, 12 matches in a 4 hour show, there won't be time for long video packages. Hell they would probably have to either scrap a match or have a match or two end in less than 5 minutes.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

They worked hard to set Bryan Ziggler on Twitter, but wonder if they're already scrapping it

They scrapped the twitter debate between Zach Ryder & Dolph for a WM match a few years ago.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

It's at least refreshing to see that they could have ten legitimate matches to fill four hours without excessive recaps instead of throwing everyone in stupid battle royal, which hopefully gets pre show. If they leave any of those three off to air another ten minute video package it'll be disappointing

I don't mind if one of those gets pre-showed. Pre show matches get a good 10-15 minutes to work with which is more than most matches.

[ricksam]

wwe killed 2 tag teams (rhodes and mizdow) in a matter of days ...

looks like ascension will get gold soon .. or at least several tag team matches w the usos

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

They scrapped the twitter debate between Zach Ryder & Dolph for a WM match a few years ago.

It's Ryder, That's not exactly saying anything. They could have had the twitter debate for RAW and Ryder would have been cut.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

So far I'm seeing the card looking like:

Reigns v Lesnar (Title)
Ambrose v Barrett (Title)
Cena v Rusev (Title, maybe?)
Cesaro and Kidd vs Usos (Title, meaning Cesaro doesn't defend battle royal)
Rollins v Orton
Wyatt v Undertaker (Idk if Taker is coming back, I'm almost starting to believe a demon Kane makes a comeback)
HHH v Sting
Miz v Mizdow
Stardust v Goldust
Nikki Bella v Paige
Womans tag team match as filler
Andre the Giant Battle Royale

WWE doesn't need to have a pre-show for matchs, if you want a pre-show for WM maybe have whose ever song it is for WM perform live, all the matches should be on the actual show. And if this is the case, 12 matches in a 4 hour show, there won't be time for long video packages. Hell they would probably have to either scrap a match or have a match or two end in less than 5 minutes.

I hope we see non "Total Divas" for the title at Mania. Emma deserves the belt over any of the divas on the main roster.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by ricksam

wwe killed 2 tag teams (rhodes and mizdow) in a matter of days ...

looks like ascension will get gold soon .. or at least several tag team matches w the usos

There are so many good up and coming tag teams in NXT that splitting up Cody (who's better as solo) and Goldust will be fine. Miz and Mizdow were never a true tag team.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I hope we see non "Total Divas" for the title at Mania. Emma deserves the belt over any of the divas on the main roster.

And why on earth would you think that?? Or is this just another one of your crazy posts to get a reaction from others?

[duwal]

Originally Posted by GoldStandard000

WWE needs to stay far away from that type of thing.

If something like that doesn't happen I fear most of the NXT wrestlers we all rave about will never even see a glimpse of being a steady part of the WWE roster

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by duwal

And why on earth would you think that?? Or is this just another one of your crazy posts to get a reaction from others?

I guess you have never seen her work. Is it crazy to want someone who can actually wrestle be the Divas champ?

[Namttip]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Yea but I'm on the opposite end because I don't see many top end heels right now. You have Big Show and Kane whose careers are basically done. Rusev and Wyatt are starting to get there as top heels, and then you have Rollins as probably the top performer heel, HHH being the biggest Heel in the company right now. I guess you can throw Lesnar in here too but he's most likely leaving after WM.

And then I guess you have Barrett and Harper but their considered lesser, mid-card guys. Outside of Rollins who do you see competing for the title down the line after WM? You can't keep having Rollins in the picture, though they basically did that with Orton all last year, which got me tired of seeing him.

On the baby faces you currently have Cena, Bryan, a returning Orton will be face to start because of his feud with Rollins, Sheamus appears to be a face but maybe they make him heel, Ziggler, Ryback, Reigns and Ambrose. Imo, outside of Ryback and Ambrose currently, I can see all those guys being in the title picture in the months of WM.

They need another top heel guy to be on top and in the title picture. Maybe they turn Sheamus, or possibly Bryan (tho the YES chants are still over so I can't see it right now) Reigns makes the most sense.

I think this is a bigger problem... You could see how Reigns reacted when his moment was crapped on by the crowd. Some people just don't have that in them to be booed... You should listen to the Wyatt interview on the Austin podcast - it was very telling to me on Bray's "feud" on why the Shield got called up before they did. It's evident now that they put Reigns with Rollins and Ambrose to protect him and they did an amazing job with him, because now he's floundering and they had to devote 47 mins (with commercials) to Reigns just to get him over.

They did this exact push and build with Sheamus as he was also suppose to be a powerhouse.

What they are missing are heels - and they try to push the "workers" to heels to carry these guys. Then get pissed when the fans turn on the faces because they enjoy the heels and get behind their work rate - Ziggler, Amborse and soon to be Rollins I think.

They have potentially a huge heel in Rusev that they basically discarded on how he was thrown out of the RR. Kane is a joke the way he flip flops - they ruined Show by having him cry and all that jazz. If they should have stuck with any formula - it should have been with him - have him be undefeated for 10 years like Andre, then turn him heel to put over new guys.

They had Sandow as a perfect Genious / Leapin' Lanny character - they need to go back to that. He would be a great heel and wouldn't need to ever win a match.

I don't know if Bray can become a heel, more a Mankind / Foley guy - I just don't think there is enough to get him the heat he needs. Where is Xpac when you need him.

I think they had a guy like Xpac heat with Drew Mcntyre (however you spell his name) - a guy that people just want to see get pummeled. I think Cena is approaching that - a guy people just want to see get pummeled. That's what made the NWO so successful was seeing Hogan go over for so long - then he had the belt and people so bad wanted to see him lose.

I'll buy WM if it has Ziggler / Bryan... otherwise I don't know what my decision will be. Nothing else is must see for me - however I did enjoy the PPV for being so much wrestling - but it's better to be able to FF through everything.

[Namttip]

Originally Posted by duwal

If something like that doesn't happen most of the NXT wrestlers we all rave about will never even see a glimpse of being a steady part of the WWE roster

I think those guys will start going to other promotions... just within a year there are two new companies for people to work at.

The good thing about NXT is that all of those guys are getting paid to train - so the work rate in 2-3 years across the board should be amazing in all promotions.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I guess you have never seen her work. Is it crazy to want someone who can actually wrestle be the Divas champ?

have many times, she is lower tier as far as the Divas division. Even lower if you account for the NXT talent waiting to come up

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by duwal

have many times, she is lower tier as far as the Divas division. Even lower if you account for the NXT talent waiting to come up

She's the person outside of Paige with the most experience of not only Developmental and Main Roster but outside of WWE. She also had the crowd behind her but because she's not on the "total diva" cast she isn't used as much as she should be. It's no coincidence she was used more before TD came back.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

She's the person outside of Paige with the most experience of not only Developmental and Main Roster but outside of WWE. She also had the crowd behind her but because she's not on the "total diva" cast she isn't used as much as she should be. It's no coincidence she was used more before TD came back.

Actually she was being used quite frequently, even if it was with Santino, but they stopped using her after the shop-lifting incident.

As far as her getting over, she is one of the batch of NXT people getting over at the small, local facility that get over with the same fans who show up for the shows. The dancing gimmick, Adam Roses Gimmick, Bo Dallas gimmick, even guys like the Ascension were sort of getting over in NXT, but it hasn't translated to huge arenas fans of the different cities.

[Nyfancam01]

So damn STUPID and ANNOYING..... Bryan is TRASH!!! WHY RUIN THE DAMN NIGHT? Seth is far beyond what Bryan could ever be. Smh

I'm getting so sick of lame ass Bryan. He is garbage and probably the absolute worst on the mic as well.
If he beats Brock I will 100 percent be done watching this. Literally ANYBODY is better than watching crybaby ass Bryan have everything go his way all the time. Lol I'm just damn sick of it. I hate this wannabe hogan/cena.

[Deeks]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

If he beats Brock I will 100 percent be done watching this.

No you won't.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Actually she was being used quite frequently, even if it was with Santino, but they stopped using her after the shop-lifting incident.

As far as her getting over, she is one of the batch of NXT people getting over at the small, local facility that get over with the same fans who show up for the shows. The dancing gimmick, Adam Roses Gimmick, Bo Dallas gimmick, even guys like the Ascension were sort of getting over in NXT, but it hasn't translated to huge arenas fans of the different cities.

Besides Paige and AJ she's more over than any of the others (maybe good maybe bad but she's over). If they would give her the ring time she will show everyone what the diehards already know and that she could be a top diva and she's only 25-26 at the most. I agree when Shoplifting thing happened it set her back but it was an accident. Far smaller than what other people have done including Cameron.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by duwal

If something like that doesn't happen I fear most of the NXT wrestlers we all rave about will never even see a glimpse of being a steady part of the WWE roster

WWE has been dropping very subtle hints that there will be a brand split in the near future. The one hint that caught my attention the most was when Daniel Bryan said that he wanted to make Smackdown "his" show.
A brand split would benefit everyone involved, because instead of having the same matchup on Raw and Smackdown in the same week, they would only be on one show or the other. It's time. There are so many guys in WWE right now, but we're getting the same 6-8 matches every week between PPV's.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Besides Paige and AJ she's more over than any of the others (maybe good maybe bad but she's over). If they would give her the ring time she will show everyone what the diehards already know and that she could be a top diva and she's only 25-26 at the most. I agree when Shoplifting thing happened it set her back but it was an accident. Far smaller than what other people have done including Cameron.

But your comparing WWE fans who go to show with NXT fans, they really are two different fans. I'll guarantee the percantage of fans who go to shows and watch NXT is less than 20%, that might be generous. So no, she is not over with the WWE fans, only over with NXT fans. Now if WWE would utilize her differently and made her look better than some dancing fool, fans would get behind her.

[GoldStandard000]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

So far I'm seeing the card looking like:

Reigns v Lesnar (Title)
Ambrose v Barrett (Title)
Cena v Rusev (Title, maybe?)
Cesaro and Kidd vs Usos (Title, meaning Cesaro doesn't defend battle royal)
Rollins v Orton
Wyatt v Undertaker (Idk if Taker is coming back, I'm almost starting to believe a demon Kane makes a comeback)
HHH v Sting
Miz v Mizdow
Stardust v Goldust
Nikki Bella v Paige
Womans tag team match as filler
Andre the Giant Battle Royale

WWE doesn't need to have a pre-show for matchs, if you want a pre-show for WM maybe have whose ever song it is for WM perform live, all the matches should be on the actual show. And if this is the case, 12 matches in a 4 hour show, there won't be time for long video packages. Hell they would probably have to either scrap a match or have a match or two end in less than 5 minutes.

I'm thinking a few of those will happen at Fast Lane. Mainly the tag titles match, Ambrose vs Barrett and maybe Miz vs Sandow.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

But your comparing WWE fans who go to show with NXT fans, they really are two different fans. I'll guarantee the percantage of fans who go to shows and watch NXT is less than 20%, that might be generous. So no, she is not over with the WWE fans, only over with NXT fans. Now if WWE would utilize her differently and made her look better than some dancing fool, fans would get behind her.

Her dance was getting over. There were tons of people doing it in the stands during RAW and SD when she was used regularly.

[GoldStandard000]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

WWE has been dropping very subtle hints that there will be a brand split in the near future. The one hint that caught my attention the most was when Daniel Bryan said that he wanted to make Smackdown "his" show.
A brand split would benefit everyone involved, because instead of having the same matchup on Raw and Smackdown in the same week, they would only be on one show or the other. It's time. There are so many guys in WWE right now, but we're getting the same 6-8 matches every week between PPV's.

WWE doesn't have the star power to do that anymore. Imagine this.... RAW's top guys are Orton, Cena, Rusev, Ambrose and Sheamus. Smackdown's top guys are Bryan, Reigns, Rollins, Ziggler and Wyatt. The feuds would get so stale by limiting them to only their show. You would need a much more star studded roster to pull this off.

[sthoemke]

The first 30 minutes of RAW was a waste of time.

No matches, lousy script, and there wasn't even an announcement.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

The first 30 minutes of RAW was a waste of time.

No matches, lousy script, and there wasn't even an announcement.

I guess you missed how the main event and match at Fast Lane came about. There was a plan for the "announcement".