Ronald Acuña

[Noles939913]

So what do y’all experts think the future holds for his 2017 Bowman’s Best auto, it seems they’ve dropped in price from the offseason even though a rising tide raises all boats obviously.

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

So what do y’all experts think the future holds for his 2017 Bowman’s Best auto, it seems they’ve dropped in price from the offseason even though a rising tide raises all boats obviously.

Yeah, interestingly his 2017 Bowman Chrome Auto’s have fallen in price the past couple weeks despite his recent resurgence.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

Yeah, interestingly his 2017 Bowman Chrome Auto’s have fallen in price the past couple weeks despite his recent resurgence.

The "prospect" world is taking a back seat to the "rookie" world these days.

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by premium1981

The "prospect" world is taking a back seat to the "rookie" world these days.

Well to be fair, the prospect card's decline was just recent while the flagship rookie card fell 40% in price a month ago. Seems more like a delayed response (due to much smaller volumes) rather than shift in collecting priorities.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

Yeah, interestingly his 2017 Bowman Chrome Auto’s have fallen in price the past couple weeks despite his recent resurgence.

Yeah I picked one up for right at $100 I believe in the offseason because anything super high end was out of my budget and I didn’t want any Panini stuff and I thought surely when he’s batting .301 with 17 HRs and 49 RBIs through 73 games these will be more expensive haha. Oh well I’m a Braves fan so I’m not really in it for trying to sell down the road, I just found it interesting.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by premium1981

The "prospect" world is taking a back seat to the "rookie" world these days.

I made a similar point a few months back when making the case for the Sapphire Acuna as his main investment card. I think in general for most players it will always be the Bowman Chrome Auto that is the key fluctuating card, however there is definitely a trend recently with next level star (HOF track) players where the best appreciating cards are not their Chrome Auto.

Case in point:
Jan 2014:
2011 Trout Gold Update PSA 9 sold for $55
May 2019:
2011 Trout Gold Update PSA 9 sold for $1175
(2036% increase in value)

April 2014:
2009 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto PSA 9 sold for $890
May 2019:
2009 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto PSA 9 (Auto 10) sold for $4938.08
(459% increase in value)

If you want a real fun one, in the middle of his hot 2012 RC season a Hope Diamond /60 sold for $65. The last one sold for $21,000 (Feb 2019) or 322x the price.

To be clear, the Bowman Chrome will always have it's place and will absolutely be a key card no doubt

Trout is the most glaring example but it's not just him. Bellinger is definitely a great recent example. His 2015 Chrome has not quite yet doubled up, however many of his 2017 RCs have seen 500%+ increases in prices. Betts, Yelich, Arenado - all the same.

[AwesomeBrian]

Pulled his Homerun Challenge card in S2 and looking at his Splits to determine a good time to use it, I came across this..

Tonight he will play his 36th game batting leadoff. He had 36 games batting cleanup.

Leadoff: 50-155 .323 10HR 27RBI .944OPS 7SB
Cleanup: 37-133 .278 7HR 21RBI .854OPS 2SB

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dream34

I made a similar point a few months back when making the case for the Sapphire Acuna as his main investment card. I think in general for most players it will always be the Bowman Chrome Auto that is the key fluctuating card, however there is definitely a trend recently with next level star (HOF track) players where the best appreciating cards are not their Chrome Auto.

Case in point:
Jan 2014:
2011 Trout Gold Update PSA 9 sold for $55
May 2019:
2011 Trout Gold Update PSA 9 sold for $1175
(2036% increase in value)

April 2014:
2009 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto PSA 9 sold for $890
May 2019:
2009 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto PSA 9 (Auto 10) sold for $4938.08
(459% increase in value)

If you want a real fun one, in the middle of his hot 2012 RC season a Hope Diamond /60 sold for $65. The last one sold for $21,000 (Feb 2019) or 322x the price.

To be clear, the Bowman Chrome will always have it's place and will absolutely be a key card no doubt

Trout is the most glaring example but it's not just him. Bellinger is definitely a great recent example. His 2015 Chrome has not quite yet doubled up, however many of his 2017 RCs have seen 500%+ increases in prices. Betts, Yelich, Arenado - all the same.

Nice analysis. It is the result of people chasing the affordable ones once others become expensive. For example, Trout 2009 BC Gold Refractor was $130-220 in 2010 but shot up to $2500 in 2013 and $9-10K (gem mint condition) in 2014. Once they became out of reach for most in 2013-14, most collectors started chasing the 2011 Topps Update RC's which were still affordable at that time. If you take $130-220 for 09 BC Gold Refractor in 2010 and its recent sale price of $93-97K, we are looking at ~63,000% ($150 to $95K) increase, which beats everything else. Same with 09 BC Orange. They went from $280 (raw)/$900 (BGS 9.5) in 2010 to $150K (BGS 9.5) recently, which is 16200% increase for BGS 9.5. That is one other way to look at it. The key is to buy prospects and RC's early (especially low numbered parallels) and hold on to it if the player is talented and performing well

[justdagoodstuff]

McCann on Acuña: "When you’re outside of the team and you watch him play, he’s next level. Then you get in here and see him go about his business and you see he’s a superstar. Twenty-one years old and there’s not one thing he can’t do on a baseball field."

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Nice analysis. It is the result of people chasing the affordable ones once others become expensive. For example, Trout 2009 BC Gold Refractor was $130-220 in 2010 but shot up to $2500 in 2013 and $9-10K (gem mint condition) in 2014. Once they became out of reach for most in 2013-14, most collectors started chasing the 2011 Topps Update RC's which were still affordable at that time. If you take $130-220 for 09 BC Gold Refractor in 2010 and its recent sale price of $93-97K, we are looking at 63,000% ($150 to $95K) increase, which beats everything else. Same with 09 BC Orange. They went from $280 (raw)/$900 (BGS 9.5) in 2010 to $150K (BGS 9.5) recently, which is 16200% increase for BGS 9.5. That is one other way to look at it. The key is to buy prospects and RC's early (especially low numbered parallels) and hold on to it if the player is talented and performing well

Thanks for the info! Bowman Chrome cards are consistently my least favorite of all releases, but I buy them out of necessity. Their power is undeniable.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

Thanks for the info! Bowman Chrome cards are consistently my least favorite of all releases, but I buy them out of necessity. Their power is undeniable.

My pleasure. I love the eye appeal of Mike Trout's 09 BCP and prefer it over his 2011 Topps Update but I do not like Acuna's 2017 BCP. This is just my personal taste.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Nice analysis. It is the result of people chasing the affordable ones once others become expensive. For example, Trout 2009 BC Gold Refractor was $130-220 in 2010 but shot up to $2500 in 2013 and $9-10K (gem mint condition) in 2014. Once they became out of reach for most in 2013-14, most collectors started chasing the 2011 Topps Update RC's which were still affordable at that time. If you take $130-220 for 09 BC Gold Refractor in 2010 and its recent sale price of $93-97K, we are looking at ~63,000% ($150 to $95K) increase, which beats everything else. Same with 09 BC Orange. They went from $280 (raw)/$900 (BGS 9.5) in 2010 to $150K (BGS 9.5) recently, which is 16200% increase for BGS 9.5. That is one other way to look at it. The key is to buy prospects and RC's early (especially low numbered parallels) and hold on to it if the player is talented and performing well

I honestly think this is what surged Trout so much, because his 2009 cards started to get out of range for people so they bought in 2011 stuff. There's countless examples of people not caring at all about the 2011 cards, because they were so "worthless" and people laughing when they sold for $30-$100.

Now, everybody wants the RC again, because it's more affordable than the first chrome card.

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I honestly think this is what surged Trout so much, because his 2009 cards started to get out of range for people so they bought in 2011 stuff. There's countless examples of people not caring at all about the 2011 cards, because they were so "worthless" and people laughing when they sold for $30-$100.

Now, everybody wants the RC again, because it's more affordable than the first chrome card.

I agree and believe this is what is driving the resurgence of the RC logo

[chris_ac]

Originally Posted by justdagoodstuff

McCann on Acuña: "When you’re outside of the team and you watch him play, he’s next level. Then you get in here and see him go about his business and you see he’s a superstar. Twenty-one years old and there’s not one thing he can’t do on a baseball field."

This is great. Love to read that from a grizzled vet like McCann. Also, on the back of one of his cards it talks about a former teammate Moylan I believe who says he has a 6th tool - his head is on straight lol

Good things from good stuff.

[KhalDrogo]

I need a 2017 BC auto. Criminally undervalued if you ask me. Bought myself a blue refractor a few months back to tide me over until I find the right one.

[moosetequila]

I love his 17 Mega... shiny is so purdy... thinking of selling all his other 17 stuff and keep a couple of Mega's.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by justdagoodstuff

McCann on Acuña: "When you’re outside of the team and you watch him play, he’s next level. Then you get in here and see him go about his business and you see he’s a superstar. Twenty-one years old and there’s not one thing he can’t do on a baseball field."

Yea, this is the stuff. We've all heard former players talk about young players before and be very respectful, but when they talk about Acuna they seem to have another level excitement.

[ThoseBackPages]

MEGA!!!!!

[dream34]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Nice analysis. It is the result of people chasing the affordable ones once others become expensive. For example, Trout 2009 BC Gold Refractor was $130-220 in 2010 but shot up to $2500 in 2013 and $9-10K (gem mint condition) in 2014. Once they became out of reach for most in 2013-14, most collectors started chasing the 2011 Topps Update RC's which were still affordable at that time. If you take $130-220 for 09 BC Gold Refractor in 2010 and its recent sale price of $93-97K, we are looking at ~63,000% ($150 to $95K) increase, which beats everything else. Same with 09 BC Orange. They went from $280 (raw)/$900 (BGS 9.5) in 2010 to $150K (BGS 9.5) recently, which is 16200% increase for BGS 9.5. That is one other way to look at it. The key is to buy prospects and RC's early (especially low numbered parallels) and hold on to it if the player is talented and performing well

While I generally agree with all of this and Definitely do think Chrome has it's place, point of the above post was to show Trout's price movement from 2014 when he was already established (ROY, Record setting 2 year WAR). No doubt that Chrome being so high is a huge factor in the Updates rise but still the Update Gold has risen 4x more than the Chrome since 2014 when considerable risk in the player was more or less removed. In 2009-2011 all Trouts were lower because no one knew that the 25th pick in the draft would be this type of player, otherwise they would have been much much higher at the time.

[ThoseBackPages]

MEGA has a lot going for it.

Beginning of the Brand, to start with

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

MEGA has a lot going for it.

Beginning of the Brand, to start with

and the epic chase and Ohtani card

[mcgoo2]

Originally Posted by dream34

While I generally agree with all of this and Definitely do think Chrome has it's place, point of the above post was to show Trout's price movement from 2014 when he was already established (ROY, Record setting 2 year WAR). No doubt that Chrome being so high is a huge factor in the Updates rise but still the Update Gold has risen 4x more than the Chrome since 2014 when considerable risk in the player was more or less removed. In 2009-2011 all Trouts were lower because no one knew that the 25th pick in the draft would be this type of player, otherwise they would have been much much higher at the time.

Agreed. It's not just people moving on to the next cheapest card, rookie cards seem to be gaining on prospect cards in general popularity.

It's anecdotal but I bought a BGS 8.5 009 Blue BC of Trout back in 2016 for $2,700. Within a month I then bought a BGS 9 2011 Hope Diamond for $2,200. They were a similar price in 2016 and the rookie is now worth quite a bit more than the prospect card.

Based off that anecdote, I think that in the past few years 1) Grading has grown in importance and 2) Rookie cards have become more popular relative to prospect cards even without taking into account the pricing difference.

[MVBSportsCards]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

just hit this guy today out of a hanger and had to come in and share w/Team Ron!

Congrats! Iam big fan of the vintage stock

[premium1981]

Looking forward to watching him matchup against deGrom tonight. Should be good!

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dream34

While I generally agree with all of this and Definitely do think Chrome has it's place, point of the above post was to show Trout's price movement from 2014 when he was already established (ROY, Record setting 2 year WAR). No doubt that Chrome being so high is a huge factor in the Updates rise but still the Update Gold has risen 4x more than the Chrome since 2014 when considerable risk in the player was more or less removed. In 2009-2011 all Trouts were lower because no one knew that the 25th pick in the draft would be this type of player, otherwise they would have been much much higher at the time.

Originally Posted by mcgoo2

Agreed. It's not just people moving on to the next cheapest card, rookie cards seem to be gaining on prospect cards in general popularity.

It's anecdotal but I bought a BGS 8.5 009 Blue BC of Trout back in 2016 for $2,700. Within a month I then bought a BGS 9 2011 Hope Diamond for $2,200. They were a similar price in 2016 and the rookie is now worth quite a bit more than the prospect card.

Based off that anecdote, I think that in the past few years 1) Grading has grown in importance and 2) Rookie cards have become more popular relative to prospect cards even without taking into account the pricing difference.

Not disagreeing with you but just trying to give another perspective. This is where rarity comes into play. Hope diamond's print run is 60 and 09 BC Blue refractor print run is 150. Which is why I said the key is to buy low numbered prospects and rookie cards early and hold on to them. The low numbered prospect autos usually become expensive or out of reach within a year or two of rookie cards release especially when the player is hot, which is what we are currently seeing with Acuna's 2017 BC prospect auto cards as well. That is when collectors start chasing the rookie cards thus driving their prices up. Acuna's 2017 BC Gold Refractor Auto BGS 9.5 hit $5-7k last year by August. When TU #250 was released later, collectors started chasing them since there were affordable. TU Black/67 and Indy/76 were selling for $200-250 at the end of October. If you buy the low numbered prospect auto cards such as gold and Orange early on and hold on to them, they offer equally good or better returns compared to RC's imo.