2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by marl1220

So we're putting a value on people's lives based on their age.

Again, unless the plan is to wait for a vaccine, the positives/negatives of every plan and all 330 million people involved are going to need to be weighed.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by rman112

Again, unless the plan is to wait for a vaccine, the positives/negatives of every plan and all 330 million people involved are going to need to be weighed.

Isn’t that triage?

Pretty sure they have that in the Navy so that might be what FT is talking about

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by marl1220

So we're putting a value on people's lives based on their age.

The world already does this right? Survival of the fittest and stuff

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by rman112

Again, unless the plan is to wait for a vaccine, the positives/negatives of every plan and all 330 million people involved are going to need to be weighed.

OK. Just wanted to make sure where we were.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by marl1220

OK. Just wanted to make sure where we were.

It's easy to focus solely on protecting older people and not wanting anything bad to happen to them, but it becomes much more complicated when involving everyone, and everything the coronavirus affects. Am I wrong?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

48% of Marylanders who have died from COVID-19 have been old people in nursing homes.

How many old people do you know go into nursing homes and come back out normally? Nursing homes are for the last years of people. The embarrassment is you making dumb statements.

Stay classy fulritty. Your're better than this...

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Stay classy fulritty. Your're better than this...

Theres nothing, non classy about what he said.

Its a fact. People don't go into nursing home to recover and return home. People who go into nursing homes have a life expectancy under 5 years.

If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the family who essentially signed their family members death certificate.


If thats non classy, everyone saying to not reopen, then qualifies under this, because there's 30 million unemployed from this mess. Who gives a poop about them right?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Stay classy fulritty. Your're better than this...

He does have a point, though. Nursing homes are rough places, with people that are usually not in good shape. It is what it is.

Knowing now about who is vulnerable to CV, it's safe to look back and say nursing homes were going to get hit hard no matter what, right?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Theres nothing, non classy about what he said.

Its a fact. People don't go into nursing home to recover and return home. People who go into nursing homes have a life expectancy under 5 years.

If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the family who essentially signed their family members death certificate.


If thats non classy, everyone saying to not reopen, then qualifies under this, because there's 30 million unemployed from this mess. Who gives a poop about them right?

SO NOT TRUE.

Many people go to nursing homes for short rehab stays after an acute illness and do return home.

I discharge patients to nursing homes on a consistent basis for rehab after severe MI's because they live alone and need to re-cover, or they have family that live out of state and can't care for them.



And I'm not mad. Others in this thread seem to be highly triggered. Have a great night!

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

SO NOT TRUE.

Many people go to nursing homes for short rehab stays after an acute illness and do return home.

I discharge patients to nursing homes on a consistent basis for rehab after severe MI's because they live alone and need to re-cover, or they have family that live out of state and can't care for them.

Please provide the percentages of patients discharge home from nursing homes. I think you will be shocked when you do the research. Its very easily available.

You are citing the exception, not the rule. Its a little comical if you are involved in that, to suggest that is wrong. Its a statistical fact.

Would be like saying Covid kills healthy kids because there is 1 healthy child death.

[marl1220]

No, get it. Thanks Grand Pa and Grand Ma. Yup, thanks for all the sacrifices you made. You know, World Wars, Korea, Vietnam. Thanks for making the country a better place for us, but your'e pretty much expendable now. Sorry, but you're just not worth the sacrifices we'll have to make to keep you alive.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by marl1220

No, get it. Thanks Grand Pa and Grand Ma. Yup, thanks for all the sacrifices you made. You know, World Wars, Korea, Vietnam. Thanks for making the country a better place for us, but your'e pretty much expendable now. Sorry, but you're just not worth the sacrifices we'll have to make to keep you alive.

You know it's much more complicated than that. Focusing solely on that one point, as if there were an option to make sure no vulnerable people die.. while everything else stays the same.. is easy.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by rman112

You know it's much more complicated than that. Focusing solely on that one point, as if there were an option to make sure no vulnerable people die.. while everything else stays the same.. is easy.

No I think I pretty much understand. Our generation is pathetic when compared to those of our grandparents and great grandparents. We never would have survived the 1930'3/40's/50's if it were us that went through them.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by marl1220

No I think I pretty much understand. Our generation is pathetic when compared to those of our grandparents and great grandparents. We never would have survived the 1930'3/40's/50's if it were us that went through them.

People adapt to what’s going on and would of survived then too. It’s what humans do.

[TheHeel]

Oh, geez. Our President must be strung out on Adderall again. He is lovin' that tweeting and retweeting this afternoon.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Thanks Grandpa and Grandma for the sacrifices you made. However we need to get the economy back and rolling so our generation and our kids generation aren't in turmoil from this. Please stay at home, I'll bring you all your needs, so just let me know your grocery list and when your doctors visits are.

I fixed it for you, not a hard concept.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by marl1220

No I think I pretty much understand. Our generation is pathetic when compared to those of our grandparents and great grandparents. We never would have survived the 1930'3/40's/50's if it were us that went through them.

Or maybe what is pathetic is telling only old people to stay quarantined and let the rest of the country get back to work instead of having 30 million and counting unemployed with little to no income coming in, small businesses destroyed, suicide rates increasing, divorce rates most likely increasing. I mean geez, we save a few thousand old people though who had about 5 - 10 years left to live.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by marl1220

No I think I pretty much understand. Our generation is pathetic when compared to those of our grandparents and great grandparents. We never would have survived the 1930'3/40's/50's if it were us that went through them.

I don't think you do. Nothing occurs in a vacuum. Especially something like this, where so many people are affected in so many ways.

Isn't that mindset (presumably being tougher) from the 30s/40s/50s more in line with not wanting to shelter in place for months on out?

[chezball]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ax-in-history/

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by chezball

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ax-in-history/

You would have thought we Americans would have learned by now based on the over-hyped hurricane and snow storm computer models that hardly come true and not believed the COVID-19 models instead of destroying our economy.

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

What do old people think about nursing homes? Let’s get their input.

they basically killed my grandma about 5 years

[chezball]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

You would have thought we Americans would have learned by now based on the over-hyped hurricane and snow storm computer models that hardly come true and not believed the COVID-19 models instead of destroying our economy.

but, but the hospitals.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by chezball

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ax-in-history/

The quote from Fauci talking about models always overshooting is an interesting one. When did he say that? And when was that overall message relayed by the media?

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I fixed it for you, not a hard concept.

[chezball]