If Tom Brady Wins the Super Bowl He will be the Greatest Athlete of All Time - Page 5

blackbears86 · 02-02-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rysportguy

Because he couldn't finish the job enough. 5-4 in superbowls while being in a division where you are basically handed the playoffs. Ask any athlete how much 2nd place is worth.

So now it's Brady's fault he's in the AFC east? Should the Pats re-locate to LA?

This argument is ridiculous..... The Patriots still have to beat the best teams in the AFC to get to the superbowl.

If the AFC is so weak why aren't other teams doing what the Patriots are doing?

blackbears86 · 02-02-2019, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Don't post this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It makes too much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BostonNut · 02-02-2019, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

So now it's Brady's fault he's in the AFC east? Should the Pats re-locate to LA?

This argument is ridiculous..... The Patriots still have to beat the best teams in the AFC to get to the superbowl.

If the AFC is so weak why aren't other teams doing what the Patriots are doing?

Because they don’t cheat.

Did you forget your Patriot Hater handbook at home? I’ve got the thing memorized so I can anticipate their go to sayings.

NickM · 02-02-2019, 09:46 PM

Unless Tom Brady starts playing defense as well as offense, GTFO with comparing him to a basketball player.

MFaulkCollector · 02-02-2019, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I thought I made it clear I was talking about football.

The thread is about greatest athlete ever..... clearly referencing other sports

And if it's indeed football only..... jerry rice was a 10 time first team all pro who holds every single record

Peyton manning was an 8 time first team all pro and 5 time MVP.... multiple Super Bowls

Jim brown was a first team all pro every year of his career except one

There is more to the equation than just rings, especially in football

Arguments can be made..... Brady is right at the forefront though; obviously

blackbears86 · 02-02-2019, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

lol

It's clear you haven't even read the thread.

Blinded by hate, eh?

so blind you need glasses

rysportguy · 02-02-2019, 09:58 PM

I think we can at least all agree Brady isn't even the best QB in the league anymore. He's 41 though so it's understandable.

JWBlue · 02-02-2019, 10:08 PM

I would vote Karch Kiraly. Anyone who has seen him play on the sand knows what I am talking about.

manning99 · 02-02-2019, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

I would vote Karch Kiraly. Anyone who has seen him play on the sand knows what I am talking about.

Or the 84 Olympic team with Timmons. That was unreal....

Archangel1775 · 02-02-2019, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldPanner

I have to start this off by saying I dislike Tom Brady, but I have been thinking and realized that if he wins the Super Bowl he will be the greatest athlete ever in any sport. Most people think Michael Jordan is

In 1999 Tom Brady won the National Championship with Michigan.

I'm gonna grab my pair of 2000 Brady shoes and hit the football field with my...self......

I enjoyed it when Brady and Company toward the world as part of the Olympic Dream Team in 2002.

UGGs wouldn't be where they are today without Brady.

Brady won 3 Championships in a row, then retired for a few years to play baseball and came back to win 3 more.

Every kid wants to be like Brady.

In 2038, Brady will have his own line of UGG's and millions of people will be lining up for them on release day.

:P

TheFrenzy · 02-02-2019, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

so blind you need glasses

So a clear-eyed view of the situation would be:

Tom Brady is one of the greatest competitors to play a particular sport, but is not the greatest athlete of all-time = blind hatred and jealousy

Tom Brady is the greatest athlete of all-time = the truth and nothing but the truth

Is this the position being staked out here?

Dallas Cowboys · 02-02-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

Wilt Chamberlain says hi

Bill Russell says hi

bwalter1 · 02-02-2019, 11:47 PM

He is not the best athlete, as stated before the best athlete is going to not be in the 4 main sports. Also don't sleep on tennis as far as endurance, Roger Federer as far as dominance.

If we are just talking championships than Bill Russell.

If you want to talk about dominance than Wilt Chamberlain. I know basketball was "different" back in the day but they made rules to make it harder for him to score. The rules now make it easier for players to score. 50.4 points ppg, think about that for a second, also that record won't ever be broken.

Also I saw an interesting video on youtube (not sure of accuracy) but it talked about him playing against pros at 16 and dominating them too.

ninjacookies · 02-02-2019, 11:50 PM

Jordan and Wilt > Brady if we're looking at the athletic perspective.

Meaning high sustained level of play and conditioning. But both Jordan and Wilt were far superior from a raw athletic standpoint. They were freaks of nature in terms of speed and agility in addition to being phenomenal at their sports. Wilt was Olympian level.

Brady is not a phenomenal athlete from the straight dictionary definition. But his IQ, longevity, and clutch factor sets him apart from his modern day football peers.

Thorpe was a 2 sport beast and was Bo before Bo, back before carb counting and advanced sports nutrition science were a thing. There's so many ways to interpret this.

hofcollector2 · 02-03-2019, 12:01 AM

You can argue that he's the greatest player of all-time, I still have MJ but Tom Brady has done and still doing more with less and I don't mean his teammates. He was not given superior athletic ability (no super strong arm, fast running legs, etc) but has taken what he has and used it to the best of his ability, better than anyone ever. He has outplayed every guy he's faced who has had some king of superior talent about them. The guy has just uses the tools he was given and maxes them out. No other play has done that other than Jordan. Tom Brady is Goat of the NFL.

ninjacookies · 02-03-2019, 12:07 AM

If Brady loses tomorrow (which he most likely won't), can we say that he's similar to Lebron in that respect. Has been a lock to make the big game for most of his career but has been anything but unbeatable in it.

superdan49 · 02-03-2019, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LCM1223

Jim Thorpe
Bo Jackson

First two names that came to my mind. His 1912 Olympics were the greatest performance by an athlete, ever.

ninjacookies · 02-03-2019, 12:49 AM

If we're talking about overcoming physical limitations, I'd argue Mantle and Ruth were far superior.

Ruth was built like John Goodman. Both Mantle and Ruth were well documented partygoers and drinkers during their playing days with livers like a black catchers mitt. Neither did much if any off the field exercising or training at all.

Lawrence Taylor was drinking and doing 8 balls of coke and went onto become one of the most dominant defensive players of all time and one of only 2 defensive mvp's in the history of the game.

Lothar52 · 02-03-2019, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

Wilt Chamberlain says hi

Hi Wilt!

Lothar52 · 02-03-2019, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm talking football.

Hockey: Gretzky
Basketball: Jordan
Football: Brady
Baseball: ?

I vote Willie Mays for Baseball. I know Mickey did...

ajlaxmn · 02-03-2019, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

You can argue that he's the greatest player of all-time, I still have MJ but Tom Brady has done and still doing more with less and I don't mean his teammates. He was not given superior athletic ability (no super strong arm, fast running legs, etc) but has taken what he has and used it to the best of his ability, better than anyone ever. He has outplayed every guy he's faced who has had some king of superior talent about them. The guy has just uses the tools he was given and maxes them out. No other play has done that other than Jordan. Tom Brady is Goat of the NFL.

IMO there is not GOAT of the NFL, maybe position, but not NFL. Its such a team game and you rely on so much more for success. Other sports it’s different, you play both sides, and you can carry a team more. Granted Tom plays the most important position, so saying he’s the GOAT QB, I wouldn’t argue that really.

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cardboxbreak · 02-03-2019, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustomania

He's not the NFL GOAT so IMO not in the conversation in all sports........people quickly forget about Otto Graham, Unitas, Jim Brown, Montana, Rice.....not to even mention MJ, Gretzky, and the numerous iconic and legendary baseball greats....also you have to really consider athletes not from the big 4 like Michael Phelps, etc

So IMO, he's not in the discussion....

Laughing at these names and then saying brady isnt in this discussion.

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CC71 · 02-03-2019, 09:21 AM

has tom brady put up record breaking stats that nobody will ever come close to? no but jerry rice has. just looking at rice's records and how far behind everyone else is ridiculous

197 receiving td's .... 2nd most is 156 by randy moss
1,549 receptions.......2nd most is 1,325 by tony gonzalez
22,895 receiving yards...2nd most is 16,279 by larry fitzgerald
208 total td's............2nd most is 175 by emmitt smith

twisty571 · 02-03-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CC71

has tom brady put up record breaking stats that nobody will ever come close to? no but jerry rice has. just looking at rice's records and how far behind everyone else is ridiculous

197 receiving td's .... 2nd most is 156 by randy moss
1,549 receptions.......2nd most is 1,325 by tony gonzalez
22,895 receiving yards...2nd most is 16,279 by larry fitzgerald
208 total td's............2nd most is 175 by emmitt smith

Umm yes he has as a matter of fact...…

Division titles (16)
Playoff games started (39)
Playoff wins (29)
Playoff touchdown passes (73)
Playoff passing yards (10,917)
Super Bowl appearances (9)
Super Bowl wins (5)
Super Bowl MVPs (4)
Super Bowl touchdown passes (18)
Super Bowl passing yards (2,576)

NickM · 02-03-2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Bill Russell says hi

Kareem says hi to Bill and Wilt.

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bwalter1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,098	He is not the best athlete, as stated before the best athlete is going to not be in the 4 main sports. Also don't sleep on tennis as far as endurance, Roger Federer as far as dominance. If we are just talking championships than Bill Russell. If you want to talk about dominance than Wilt Chamberlain. I know basketball was "different" back in the day but they made rules to make it harder for him to score. The rules now make it easier for players to score. 50.4 points ppg, think about that for a second, also that record won't ever be broken. Also I saw an interesting video on youtube (not sure of accuracy) but it talked about him playing against pros at 16 and dominating them too. __________________ http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/bwalter22/library/ Currently working on 2017 Topps Heritage Blue Refractor /68 set. Pm me if you have any for sale/trade

02-02-2019, 09:58 PM	#107
rysportguy Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,750 ry_9507	I think we can at least all agree Brady isn't even the best QB in the league anymore. He's 41 though so it's understandable.

02-02-2019, 10:08 PM	#108
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,588	I would vote Karch Kiraly. Anyone who has seen him play on the sand knows what I am talking about.

02-02-2019, 11:50 PM	#114
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	Jordan and Wilt > Brady if we're looking at the athletic perspective. Meaning high sustained level of play and conditioning. But both Jordan and Wilt were far superior from a raw athletic standpoint. They were freaks of nature in terms of speed and agility in addition to being phenomenal at their sports. Wilt was Olympian level. Brady is not a phenomenal athlete from the straight dictionary definition. But his IQ, longevity, and clutch factor sets him apart from his modern day football peers. Thorpe was a 2 sport beast and was Bo before Bo, back before carb counting and advanced sports nutrition science were a thing. There's so many ways to interpret this.

02-03-2019, 12:01 AM	#115
hofcollector2 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,869	You can argue that he's the greatest player of all-time, I still have MJ but Tom Brady has done and still doing more with less and I don't mean his teammates. He was not given superior athletic ability (no super strong arm, fast running legs, etc) but has taken what he has and used it to the best of his ability, better than anyone ever. He has outplayed every guy he's faced who has had some king of superior talent about them. The guy has just uses the tools he was given and maxes them out. No other play has done that other than Jordan. Tom Brady is Goat of the NFL.

02-03-2019, 12:07 AM	#116
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	If Brady loses tomorrow (which he most likely won't), can we say that he's similar to Lebron in that respect. Has been a lock to make the big game for most of his career but has been anything but unbeatable in it.

02-03-2019, 12:49 AM	#118
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	If we're talking about overcoming physical limitations, I'd argue Mantle and Ruth were far superior. Ruth was built like John Goodman. Both Mantle and Ruth were well documented partygoers and drinkers during their playing days with livers like a black catchers mitt. Neither did much if any off the field exercising or training at all. Lawrence Taylor was drinking and doing 8 balls of coke and went onto become one of the most dominant defensive players of all time and one of only 2 defensive mvp's in the history of the game.

02-03-2019, 09:21 AM	#123
CC71 Banned - PBM Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,235 corclarkso2	has tom brady put up record breaking stats that nobody will ever come close to? no but jerry rice has. just looking at rice's records and how far behind everyone else is ridiculous 197 receiving td's .... 2nd most is 156 by randy moss 1,549 receptions.......2nd most is 1,325 by tony gonzalez 22,895 receiving yards...2nd most is 16,279 by larry fitzgerald 208 total td's............2nd most is 175 by emmitt smith