Will Jaimet: Trimmer, F***n, Scammer, Heroes of Sport Owner, Large PWCC Consigner

[tier1dc]

Has Matt & Blowout issued a statement of any kind?

[oaklandasfan]

[QUOTE=SCR;14616110]Thank you for the original poster, the hobby appreciates you. Don’t listen to any clown claiming this is ‘old news’ or nothing new.

1: All these breakers (including blowout) had to do was search the guys name in Google. Do you really need the $ bad enough to break a felon’s repack product? Let alone the crap he pulled YEARS ago with HOS? Are you guys that desperate?

2: The reaction to our post basically summarizing this thread has gotten over 5,000 clicks on Facebook and over 10,000 views on the site. You could post stuff all year about cards and not hit these numbers, so yes, people do care - A LOT.

3: All the breakers in question are guilty of colluding with a felon on a re-pack product. Until I see evidence you refunded everyone, this stays on your rap sheet.

4: PWCC should fire someone immediately.

5: keep digging. Clowns that sell HOS when 18 year old baseball players cards sell for $1,000+ are desperately broke. This was a greedy money grab by all involved, and with the hobby as healthy as it is - really raises a red flag for the breakers involved.[/QUOTReally classy to call somone you dont know a clown ,i loved your show.wont be listening anymore ,,

[bowlinbob]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

Has Matt & Blowout issued a statement of any kind?

I’m curious who sold Blowout the HOS product that Matt just recently opened within the year??

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by bowlinbob

I’m curious who sold Blowout the HOS product that Matt just recently opened within the year??

think it's time they told people who made that Rookies and Stars repack too.

the time for mystery and unnamed repackers is over.

[Cardsharc]

[QUOTE=oaklandasfan;14618722]

Originally Posted by SCR

Thank you for the original poster, the hobby appreciates you. Don’t listen to any clown claiming this is ‘old news’ or nothing new.

1: All these breakers (including blowout) had to do was search the guys name in Google. Do you really need the $ bad enough to break a felon’s repack product? Let alone the crap he pulled YEARS ago with HOS? Are you guys that desperate?

2: The reaction to our post basically summarizing this thread has gotten over 5,000 clicks on Facebook and over 10,000 views on the site. You could post stuff all year about cards and not hit these numbers, so yes, people do care - A LOT.

3: All the breakers in question are guilty of colluding with a felon on a re-pack product. Until I see evidence you refunded everyone, this stays on your rap sheet.

4: PWCC should fire someone immediately.

5: keep digging. Clowns that sell HOS when 18 year old baseball players cards sell for $1,000+ are desperately broke. This was a greedy money grab by all involved, and with the hobby as healthy as it is - really raises a red flag for the breakers involved.[/QUOTReally classy to call somone you dont know a clown ,i loved your show.wont be listening anymore ,,

Thank you for your spirited out look I personally only break with Layton sports cards nothing against anyone else I just like them. Rich has made multiple Facebook posts and sent everyone emails that was involved in these breaks offering refunds. I can only speak for them when. I say they are a class act.

I’m not sure why you think any of these breakers colluded with a felon most of these guys weren’t around last time this happened or even aware of it. Without this post how many people would have known about this really?

I’m more pissed about psc psa and the individuals that are directly involved. I can’t fault blowout or any one of these breakers for offering a product with some cool Big hits that people chase. No different then superbreaks or some of the other well know repacks. I mean even leaf repacks graded cards. And we all open those too.

A greedy money grab for someone to offer a different product that’s multi sport and chase items most graded. I mean we are suppose to trust graders to spot problems. So without all this knowledge and background checks etc etc how would anyone know about all this.

I too am angry but if the breaker no matter who it is gives refunds and blowout bands that guy for life they have done there part to make it right.

We should direct all our hate towards psc and psa for allowing this to happen and promoting it. And be vigilante going forward






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[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by Cardsharc

We should direct all our hate towards psc and psa for allowing this to happen and promoting it. And be vigilante going forward

and Will Jaimet?

he took advantage of a exploitable system. roll the dice with recut cards at minimal risk because you're subbing through different names. if you lose a few it levels out with 1 clean trimmed PSA 10. unload via PWCC and it's cash in the bank.

similar to how cartels smuggle; send multiple shipments at varying waves to increase the chances of success.

how can PSA patrol something on their scale?

it's not like Jaimet subbed them as Heroes of Sport and sent every single trimmed card all at once. Just grading the cards on subs alone it's not expected that they'll discern a 1mm or less difference here and there and cards they aren't familiar with.

short of scanning every single card PSA grades and comparing it with a 100% authentic measurement match how can they do it?

maybe they could hire 3124508 on COMC.

[ThaReal1]

I find it very curious that Nat and Grand Slam have not come forward (from what I know.) Dude preaches hard doing things the right way and eliminating scammers in the hobby yet he bought product from someone who is part of his bottom 10%.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now...

[wscws2008]

Originally Posted by SCR

Thank you for the original poster, the hobby appreciates you. Don’t listen to any clown claiming this is ‘old news’ or nothing new.

1: All these breakers (including blowout) had to do was search the guys name in Google. Do you really need the $ bad enough to break a felon’s repack product? Let alone the crap he pulled YEARS ago with HOS? Are you guys that desperate?

2: The reaction to our post basically summarizing this thread has gotten over 5,000 clicks on Facebook and over 10,000 views on the site. You could post stuff all year about cards and not hit these numbers, so yes, people do care - A LOT.

3: All the breakers in question are guilty of colluding with a felon on a re-pack product. Until I see evidence you refunded everyone, this stays on your rap sheet.

4: PWCC should fire someone immediately.

5: keep digging. Clowns that sell HOS when 18 year old baseball players cards sell for $1,000+ are desperately broke. This was a greedy money grab by all involved, and with the hobby as healthy as it is - really raises a red flag for the breakers involved.

Thanks for posting for the 67th time. Too bad posting your opinion here doesn’t get you advertising as I am sure you would do more. While it is appreciated that you bring this atrocity of a situation to a wider audience, I am sure you are enjoying the clicks on your various media platforms..

I am not sure how vilifying breakers is at the core of the issue. You should also do some investigative work yourself as, mentioned here already, Layton issued multiple Facebook posts apologizing for the issue and offering refunds. I was part of a break and got an email directly offering a refund.

People make mistakes. An apology was issued, statement made that business with repackers will not happen and most people from Layton’s breaks have moved on. To make the statement there was collusion is fairly ridiculous. As to this being a money grab, the breakers have enough product without HoS. Prior to my knowledge of this, it was an amazing product with rare and out of this world hits and had a lot of fun being in breaks.

Focus on the more core issues the OP has stated. Consigners working with those who are known for being shady and how PSA issued grades for 10 for clearly flawed cards. OP has been calling out plenty of other, more serious issues than the HoS fiasco.

If anyone wants to see the apology issued by Rich Layton at Layton Sports Cards, I have no issue sharing it. This is not endorsement for his breaks but to show that, regardless of how you feel about their style of their breaks, that they are reputable and a class act. I am sure the same could be said for the other breakers of HoS.

[wscws2008]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

and Will Jaimet?

he took advantage of a exploitable system. roll the dice with recut cards at minimal risk because you're subbing through different names. if you lose a few it levels out with 1 clean trimmed PSA 10. unload via PWCC and it's cash in the bank.

similar to how cartels smuggle; send multiple shipments at varying waves to increase the chances of success.

how can PSA patrol something on their scale?

it's not like Jaimet subbed them as Heroes of Sport and sent every single trimmed card all at once. Just grading the cards on subs alone it's not expected that they'll discern a 1mm or less difference here and there and cards they aren't familiar with.

short of scanning every single card PSA grades and comparing it with a 100% authentic measurement match how can they do it?

maybe they could hire 3124508 on COMC.

Agreed on the trimming front. The more concerning issue is where OP showed cards that had clear surface flaws and edge and corner issues.

[Cardsharc]

Psa has been known to do this in the past and obviously still is I’d be suspect of anything psa grades.

Bgs cards go into unmarked boxes with numbers and no way of knowing what cards are who’s

Psa is just fail right along with pwcc auctions there all shills for each other


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[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by Cardsharc

Psa has been known to do this in the past and obviously still is I’d be suspect of anything psa grades.

Bgs cards go into unmarked boxes with numbers and no way of knowing what cards are who’s

Psa is just fail right along with pwcc auctions there all shills for each other


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Did you miss the SSI thread and the BS that goes on at BGS? BGS is just as bad as PSA, if not worse. I have orders that were shipped back to me from BGS where the deadline was not met and the cards remained in the box that BGS placed them in, and guess what -- my name was on the box the graders see.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Cardsharc

Psa has been known to do this in the past and obviously still is I’d be suspect of anything psa grades.

Bgs cards go into unmarked boxes with numbers and no way of knowing what cards are who’s

Psa is just fail right along with pwcc auctions there all shills for each other


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Right now I would say Beckett is the worse offender. You got a trim/shill ring right in the Dallas area where at least one member has openly admitted to being at the Beckett offices almost daily among other things. Many of the trimmed cards they sell are BGS

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Right now I would say Beckett is the worse offender. You got a trim/shill ring right in the Dallas area where at least one member has openly admitted to being at the Beckett offices almost daily among other things. Many of the trimmed cards they sell are BGS

Both are bad right now. I would agree Beckett is worse, but at this point it's like arguing which smells worse, rancid meat or rancid fish.

I know some members feel the system is beyond repair, but I remain hopeful for the possibility that changes are coming for the good. We shall see in the next few months.

[Cardsharc]

Id like to see psa and bgs make a comment on some of these issues and what tactics they use to combat these kinds of problems. But doubt that will happen suppose when all these people get to work something will be said by blowout and some of these other companies.


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[Cubsfanp]

Finding some Gems on twitter. Rich Layton seems to be doing the right thing now, but he was cozying up to will pretty hard in 2013.


https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...86166196375552

I wonder what Rich and Will talked about? ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...54246137249792

Asking for more formal meetings with Will? ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...36139839078400

Met in person with Will, and seems pretty happy about it. ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...34598267326464

Who is Marshall? ^^

[wheeler281]

Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

Finding some Gems on twitter. Rich Layton seems to be doing the right thing now, but he was cozying up to will pretty hard in 2013.


https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...86166196375552

I wonder what Rich and Will talked about? ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...54246137249792

Asking for more formal meetings with Will? ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...36139839078400

Met in person with Will, and seems pretty happy about it. ^^

https://twitter.com/RichLayton42/sta...34598267326464

Who is Marshall? ^^

Marshall was 1syndicate on breakers. Broke tons of HOS and other repacks.

[Cardsharc]

Is this before or after he was found out for scamming and also if this guy wasn’t devulging that he was a felon that had conspired in the card business before how would anyone know?

Surely we must back ground check everyone we meet.

Honestly I’ve always assumed which I realize now was a bad judgement call that most people in this hobby are good decent people. Obviously they are not and people should be judged accordingly.

However I don’t see what 5 year old Twitter comments have to do with what’s going on now. I guy offers refund to everyone envolved in the breaks and makes multiple posts about it now we reach back to 2013 to see if he’s ever talked to him.

Feel like some of you guys either hate breakers In General or hate certain breakers.

Everyone back in the day was doing business with this guy all breakers and dealers Including blowout and other big online stores who I’m sure would never want to ruin there business with a bad character and they did business with him again I would venture to guess that most people didnt even know that all this scamming bs went on. It’s not like it was advertised all around the industry that this was going on.

If you get a refund and they blacklist a guy what more can a business do. That goes for anyone affected by this breakers and blowout. Issue refunds blacklist this guy and any of his known associates and call it a day move on.


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[tier1dc]

could someone screencap Layton's statement on this matter?

their facebook page is set to private.

[Cardsharc]

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[Cardsharc]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

could someone screencap Layton's statement on this matter?

their facebook page is set to private.

Forgot to quote you but look above this post


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[Cardsharc]

Not sure what more a breaker could do these guys aren’t millionaires. He will very likely lose money and is still doing his best to get the info out there and offer returns. I haven’t seen anyone else do anything remotely close to this or react as fast as they did to this news


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[ForceChange77]

Repacks just seems like a joke in general.

[theleica]

Just received this email from Houdini:

On my old forum in April of 2013 I ran a handful of box breaks of Heroes of Sport. I have 8 videos from April of 2013 so I think I probably bought 2 4-box cases. Recently it has come to light that one of the founders of this product is a card trimmer.

I posted on twitter that I would refund anyone that had a card they no longer trust. However, I am not sure how many people saw that. I realize many of you were not customers 6 years ago, but I do not know how else to reach everyone.

I do not have the break threads anymore because my old forum is gone. However, I do have the videos on youtube. You can see that list here.

I thought maybe I could pull a list from an olds laptop, but it is a dead end too.

From the videos, I cannot see anything that looked suspicious - only a few graded cards. A 2011 Trout that went to Hoos. A 1956 Clemente PSA 7. A couple others, but I do not know who won what.

So, please reach out if you have a card you think could be trimmed from my HoS breaks. Actually, reach out to any breaker of that product, I believe all of them would make it right for you.

Thanks.

H

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by Cardsharc

Is this before or after he was found out for scamming and also if this guy wasn’t devulging that he was a felon that had conspired in the card business before how would anyone know?

Surely we must back ground check everyone we meet.

Honestly I’ve always assumed which I realize now was a bad judgement call that most people in this hobby are good decent people. Obviously they are not and people should be judged accordingly.

However I don’t see what 5 year old Twitter comments have to do with what’s going on now. I guy offers refund to everyone envolved in the breaks and makes multiple posts about it now we reach back to 2013 to see if he’s ever talked to him.

Feel like some of you guys either hate breakers In General or hate certain breakers.

Everyone back in the day was doing business with this guy all breakers and dealers Including blowout and other big online stores who I’m sure would never want to ruin there business with a bad character and they did business with him again I would venture to guess that most people didnt even know that all this scamming bs went on. It’s not like it was advertised all around the industry that this was going on.

If you get a refund and they blacklist a guy what more can a business do. That goes for anyone affected by this breakers and blowout. Issue refunds blacklist this guy and any of his known associates and call it a day move on.


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These are fair points, but it bothers me these breakers try to cozy up to these people. Same thing applies to Tracy Hackler/Panini. These guys gets kick backs and it doesnt rub me right and gets into a grey area.

I think these guys are doing the right thing now. I would also ask for further steps should be in place for repack products IMO. We really need transparency if people are going to do these, and a checklist would be a nice start.

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by adamdavidson47

They are 3rd rate hacks who think people give a crap what they say/think. Thankfully, most of us have a mind of our own and can see/hear bull crap when it's spouted.

SCR doesnt care about you or any other collector. Just listen to the latest podcast for a few minutes. His goal is to get clicks and traffic to his site. For me, its important to be aware of that. I honestly don't mind if it gets more ears and eyes to the issue and will gladly give them the traffic.