PSA Will Ban You If You Dare Criticize Them

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

The brand build is not for you and me and while I commend Nat for actually reaching out to Dustin (hope it works out for him too) that is the first instance I have heard of where Nat has done something like this. Just look at your sig line, pip.

Neither of us were fond of Orlando but he bolted from there...Nat did not let him go. Under Nat's watch it has been business as usual with the way the PSA machine has always operated under Orlando and Rocchi, which is to protect the brand at any cost. Until I see something different I will stand by my position.

I have to assume you feel that Nat's attempt to purchase SGC is a good thing for the hobby too.

I haven't decided yet. I'm still weighing Nat's leadership skills and integrity vs. Dave's.

[pip]

Originally Posted by dustin42

I do not know that he will be any different. I would have gotten rid of all leadership already.

Give him time. Not fair to judge this early. If he reverts to the same business model as Orlando, believe me, I'll be the first one in line at the torch and pitchfork store.

[pspa123]

I was booted for literally asking the question towards the beginning of the scandal, how are we to understand why all these bad cards seem to be making it past the graders? That was it and poof. After being told the new mod was a great guy blah blah.

Cross PSA at your peril. I see nothing so far to suggest that has changed.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I was booted for literally asking the question towards the beginning of the scandal, how are we to understand why all these bad cards seem to be making it past the graders? That was it and poof. After being told the new mod was a great guy blah blah.

Cross PSA at your peril. I see nothing so far to suggest that has changed.

pspa123, you were banned because you're one of the Internet's biggest troublemakers. It had nothing to do with PSA.

[pip]

Originally Posted by dustin42

Nat reached out to me. Wants to make it right. I give him props for that.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

pspa123, you were banned because you're one of the Internet's biggest troublemakers. It had nothing to do with PSA.

It was a lame, cowardly, and pathetic move.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

It was a lame, cowardly, and pathetic move.

LOL. I know. I was just teasing you. You're probably the most reasonable and non-confrontational person on these forums.

[pip]

Originally Posted by dustin42

He reached out today.

Please let us know how things turn out and if that last invoice ever gets graded properly.

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by pip

Please let us know how things turn out and if that last invoice ever gets graded properly.

The last invoice? The $2K plus they charged me and didn't grade anything? I won the dispute and my bank charged them back.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Cross PSA at your peril. I see nothing so far to suggest that has changed.

Then you must be blind

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Then you must be blind

Not being a jerk, but what have you seen change other than new ownership and them halting all services that don't cost $200 plus per card? Just trying to get an idea of what you have seen other than Joe O leaving.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by dustin42

Not being a jerk, but what have you seen change other than new ownership and them halting all services that don't cost $200 plus per card? Just trying to get an idea of what you have seen other than Joe O leaving.

How about refusing to buy back AJ's altered Leaf Jackie, and doubling down on some outed PWCC cards, that was a good one.

[pip]

Originally Posted by dustin42

The last invoice? The $2K plus they charged me and didn't grade anything? I won the dispute and my bank charged them back.

I mean from this point forward. Did Nat offer to take another look at those cards for you?

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

How about refusing to buy back AJ's altered Leaf Jackie, and doubling down on some outed PWCC cards, that was a good one.

To wit, my sig line. I agree that that was quite disappointing.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

How about refusing to buy back AJ's altered Leaf Jackie, and doubling down on some outed PWCC cards, that was a good one.

Merely one example. To know under his watch that he is re-certifying cards presented that appear to be clearly altered is more than enough for any reasonable person to conclude it is business as usual there. Collectors just need to accept, and most do, that this is the way it will be done.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by dustin42

Not being a jerk, but what have you seen change other than new ownership and them halting all services that don't cost $200 plus per card? Just trying to get an idea of what you have seen other than Joe O leaving.

Downplaying those two moves itself is problematic as they are gigantic in themselves. But for starters:

1) Genamint technology --> what the people wanted no? Helps detect alterations and cut down on fraud. Like, how are the BODA faithful not praising PSA every time they put their head to rest at night?
2) New leadership --> not even factoring in moving away from old leadership. New folks from the tech world that have no relationship to cards. Hopefully people who have worked in corporate america realize that this is changing the culture
3) Willingness to listen to the people --> when did PSA do this previously without as you said it, banning naysayers. Nat could tell BODA to go pound sand out of spite, which, judging from how many of the BODA groupies posts on here, many probably deserve given their smugness and tone, but Nat seems pretty unphased which is great! You literally just said Nat reached out to you to "make it right." Fantastic!
4) Grading standards clearly have changed/tighted up, good or bad, but I'm sure the BODA folks would see that as "good"
5) Flood gates were closed off

Not even mentioning the other acquisitions Nat et al have acquired that have no relationship to the topic at hand. Nat et al have been quite busy. How anyone can say "Cross PSA at your peril. I see nothing so far to suggest that has changed," only suggests that those folks are indeed blind.

[mjohnatgt]

1) Genamint is still in the prove something phase. And Nat's own words were mainly to use it to identify cards that had been submitted before. We don't know that the software has the ability to detect alterations, so the jury is still out on this one.
2) New leadership is nice. Joe O was the face of the scandal on their side, but doubling down on trimmed cards in their holders multiple times instead of paying out on the grade guarantee: bad results.
3) He may be trustworthy, he may not be. Devil you know vs. devil you don't. He may be a collector himself and from the technology sector, but that doesn't mean he has carte blanche to change much.
4) Grading standards for unaltered cards was just fine, except for some extreme outliers (pinholes in vintage PSA 7s, cards with creases getting 9s, centering not consistent). A PSA 8 in 2000 should be a PSA 8 in 2010, and then again in 2020. However, cards which used to be PSA 9s in 1971 Topps submissions are now PSA 7.5s. Not sure why BODA fanboys would be happy about that. Be accurate, not reactive. The biggest issue is the inability to still detect altered cards.
5) This was a great decision, but was there really any other option?

Nat has done some good or needed things, but he's got control now. He can read the submission reports. He has the tools to determine the overall PSA liability for Moser, Block, Skerbe, Brent, and the 20+ other known trimmers outed on this board. If he wants to win over anyone, he has to do something about the failures. It's not like his eyes weren't completely open on this subject before purchasing the company. He knew the liability. Nat has the ability to fix the 20+ years of FRAUD his new company committed.

You can say that this is completely untenable, but PSA is the "gold standard", "industry leader", "king of the hill." But in this matter, they're showing that they're still the putzes we think they are.

[KhalDrogo]

Must be hard work to do the mental gymnastics to #@#@#@#@ on everything PSA and defend everything COMC at the same time.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Must be hard work to do the mental gymnastics to #@#@#@#@ on everything PSA and defend everything COMC at the same time.

COMC sucks ice right now. And it was a problem of their own making. But I believe they have a get-well plan and have actually tried to remedy the problem of selling altered cards through their site. PSA's head is stuck in the sand.

I have no problem criticizing COMC either; you can read those threads. I regularly correspond with their employees to try and change things for the better. I was trying to do the same with PSA until Sloan banned my emails from his inbox.
How often this past year or two have I been promoting the company? And when I do, I include disclaimers about their poor service at this time?

Seems like exactly the same thing, right?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

COMC sucks ice right now. And it was a problem of their own making. But I believe they have a get-well plan and have actually tried to remedy the problem of selling altered cards through their site. PSA's head is stuck in the sand.

I have no problem criticizing COMC either; you can read those threads. I regularly correspond with their employees to try and change things for the better. I was trying to do the same with PSA until Sloan banned my emails from his inbox.
How often this past year or two have I been promoting the company? And when I do, I include disclaimers about their poor service at this time?

Seems like exactly the same thing, right?

How many times have you messaged Nat your concerns since his group took ownership?

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

How many times have you messaged Nat your concerns since his group took ownership?

I have not. Nat can read these boards. Or ask Steve what I sent him before. Who the hell am I to Nat?
Nat already knows the problems. He will deal with them with or without my input.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I have not. Nat can read these boards. Or ask Steve what I sent him before. Who the hell am I to Nat?
Nat already knows the problems. He will deal with them with or without my input.

Exactly what I thought. Care enough to constantly whine on the boards about it, but not enough to take two minutes to send the man in charge a message.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Exactly what I thought. Care enough to constantly whine on the boards about it, but not enough to take two minutes to send the man in charge a message.

Nat has my phone number; it's the same one from when I was a PSA customer. He can reach out to me.

Honestly, I want the guy to succeed, by doing things the right way. He hasn't really proven much in that regard yet.

[KhalDrogo]

Wonder why you care enough to reach out to COMC but not PSA. Might be the 20k cards you have there? Nat doesn’t need you to reach out to him because he already knows the issues they have? But good thing COMC has you to inform them of their issues. God only knows where they’d be without you. Hypocrite.

[mjohnatgt]

COMC has never banned me. But thanks for your opinion.