First Buzz: 2020-21 Panini Prizm basketball cards

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I didn't mean nobody was flipping those. I meant the profit margins and overall popularity isn't even close to basketball.

I’ll admit I would’ve loved to get any and all sealed football this year with this qb class. Next year and beyond if they pan out it’ll be $$$$


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[k13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Is there really THAT much money involved?

There was.
Could have made millions in one year.
But now way harder.

[TSonn]

Being upset at the retail flippers is old and tiring at this point.

Sure I miss going and grabbing a bunch of retail whenever - but I also like that my card collection value has literally 50x+ over the last 2 years. Unfortunately you can't have both so just enjoy which side it's on.

[byronscott4ever]

I used to work for Target and saw hourly income during BF—I’d love to see Friday morning income

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by k13

There was.
Could have made millions in one year.
But now way harder.

[bigjbasketball]

I actually tried to go to Target this morning. Got there way too late (around 7:45) and they were checking people in so they can text them when their turn is up. I was probably like #30 or #35 in line. When the store opened I walked in just to see what they had and watched the first few people (not sure how early they got there) pick up their allotment. They were giving out a max of 3 PER SKU. The first guy took 3 of just about everything - Optic FB blasters and cellos, some Donruss BKB hangers, and some Pokémon stuff. The Donruss hangers were gone within the first 3 or 4 people. No Prizm whatsoever. I’m assuming that was backdoored and taken by employees. Either that or my Target just happened to get none, which seems unlikely at this point. I just bounced because even the Optic FB would have been gone by the time my turn came up. Oh, and it’s almost 9am and I still never got a text that my turn came up.

[k13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Well this doesn't work in reality for a few reasons.

1) There are thousands of other people doing that exact same thing
2) Pretty much every single store has a 1-3 box/pack limit. Unless you're a part of the select few people that have an in with the rep and get it before it hits shelves
3) 15 boxes a week for an entire year is not sustainable and these profits you're touting are really only for basketball so the window is even smaller. Nobody really cares about flipping the baseball products and football isn't much more popular than that.
4) 100k a year isn't that much money for the amount of time it takes waiting.
5) You're not even considering shipping, fees, gas, taxes etc

For some it was like this...

No waiting. Show up when stocking person gets there.
Get 20 blasters. 20 hangers. 40 cellos.
Next day the same another walmart.
Next day the same another walmart.
Done

Total time about 2-3 hours.

Dump some to LCS.
Dump majority of on FB
Keep a little bit.


Now products got shittier and too many sheep out there but still not all walmarts have limits but they all have too many people doing the same thing.

[jfan2024]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Any good stories yet from the in store warriors?

I'm monitoring the Target baseball thread for the laughs. Multiple blowout members getting to Target at least an hour before opening and not even among the first 10 in line lol

I posted my experience about a guy almost being arrested in store when I walked away with 1 blaster in the chronicles thread. That was a year ago. It's only gotten crazier. Been physically threatened by a middle age mom with her two kids which gave me a good laugh (not sure how exactly she was planning to physically harm me), been lied to since by a store manager, etc. "We haven't stocked cards since the start of the pandemic months ago". Yo, I literally bought product here a week ago. That was the last time I even tried. Can't rely on minimum wage Walmart/Target employees to be honest and same for the potentially unemployed flippers. Same couple people on facebook flipping retail everytime that I can even name. No reason to even try anymore in a populated area like suburban NJ.

Cards really do make you lose faith in humanity. People stole my pokemon cards when I was a kid in elementary school. Now that I'm an adult, nothing has changed when it comes to cards. People just lie, cheat, and steal. Cardboard brings out the worst characters for some reason. While I think that's only a small percentage, unfortunately you almost have to assume everybody is lying and scamming you these days in this "hobby"

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by Cpdjoe77

Plus the original comment I made was in reference to store employees getting on it. Any store employee who can divert most or all of the good items of a restock to themselves is going to have a lucrative side business only paying msrp. That was my original point
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Before this Friday policy, Target employees now has first crack. I saw a post of only Donruss BKB blasters and fat packs at 1 Target, it got backdoored. Panini, Topps, BGS, PSA all milking us. What is coming out next week?

[k13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

18-19 prizm and whole year was easy to get.
19-20 prizm was still really easy. Got stupid around illusions.

You could have gone to 10 walmarts a week and scored everything. There was mountains of it everywhere.

1000 blasters of 19-20 prizm alone is 500k.
1000 hangers.
1000 cellos.

If you could do 18-19.

$5 million would be beyond easy.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by k13

18-19 prizm and whole was easy to get.
19-20 prizm was still really easy. Got stupid around illusions.

You could have gone to 10 walmarts a week and scored everything. There was mountains of it everywhere.

1000 blasters of 19-20 prizm alone is 500k.
1000 hangers.
1000 cellos.

If you could do 18-19.

$5 million would be beyond easy.

[k13]

Idiots left all the good products now they are fighting for #@#@#@#@.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by k13

18-19 prizm and whole year was easy to get.
19-20 prizm was still really easy. Got stupid around illusions.

You could have gone to 10 walmarts a week and scored everything. There was mountains of it everywhere.

1000 blasters of 19-20 prizm alone is 500k.
1000 hangers.
1000 cellos.

If you could do 18-19.

$5 million would be beyond easy.

I don't disagree that people could've made BANK in 18-19 and maybe even 19-20 (retail craze didn't happen by me until 19-20 Optic) but you'd have to hit 100ish stores at full restock to get to those numbers. I guess maybe if you could've gotten 19-20 Prizm, Optic, and Mosaic you'd only have to hit 35 stores at full restock - but even then, you'd have to sit on them for a year+ because Prizm retail wasn't even selling for 2.5x until about 6 months after release.

Still, I'm not going to be mad at anyone who's doing the work (even if that is simply waiting all night) to get retail right now to flip for $500. Times are tough for a lot of people - I have a handful of friends who have marketable skills who were laid off during the pandemic and still can't find employment.

[jfan2024]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Being upset at the retail flippers is old and tiring at this point.

Sure I miss going and grabbing a bunch of retail whenever - but I also like that my card collection value has literally 50x+ over the last 2 years. Unfortunately you can't have both so just enjoy which side it's on.

You can say that since you've been around. The people who came in 2020 or later can't. That's why there's so much hate/salt. They have no access now, and aren't benefitting from the collection value growth since they have none as a new person. Yet, they have to put up with cardboard millionaire threads and stories about 20k 86 fleers going to 700k in 2 years. I do empathize

The people that have been around though, you're absolutely right, can't have your cake and eat it too

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I don't disagree that people could've made BANK in 18-19 and maybe even 19-20 (retail craze didn't happen by me until 19-20 Optic) but you'd have to hit 100ish stores at full restock to get to those numbers. I guess maybe if you could've gotten 19-20 Prizm, Optic, and Mosaic you'd only have to hit 35 stores at full restock - but even then, you'd have to sit on them for a year+ because Prizm retail wasn't even selling for 2.5x until about 6 months after release.

Still, I'm not going to be mad at anyone who's doing the work (even if that is simply waiting all night) to get retail right now to flip for $500. Times are tough for a lot of people - I have a handful of friends who have marketable skills who were laid off during the pandemic and still can't find employment.

What industry? Maybe their skills weren't so marketable if they still can't find a job

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by k13

For some it was like this...

No waiting. Show up when stocking person gets there.
Get 20 blasters. 20 hangers. 40 cellos.
Next day the same another walmart.
Next day the same another walmart.
Done

Total time about 2-3 hours.

Dump some to LCS.
Dump majority of on FB
Keep a little bit.


Now products got shittier and too many sheep out there but still not all walmarts have limits but they all have too many people doing the same thing.

This is a fairy tale story. Back in the "glory days" of finding retail everywhere you could probably only make a 20% profit on that retail if you dumped it immediately after. How do I know? I tried to sell 2 lots of 5 19-20 Prizm blasters for $200 each ($50 per blaster) for 6 months before finally just ripping it myself. There was no huge markup on 18-19 and 19-20 retail until about a year later.

Now, obviously a huge markup but also much harder to find. It all makes sense.

[Treymond Green]

No Targets in my area have Prizm. So either the employees are copping everything or they just havent received any yet. Was 14th in line and got 1 pack of Donruss (the max lol) and some sort of pokemon.

Will try once a week because I can. No expectations. Only want basketball, not a flipper, huge Haliburton believer.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

What industry? Maybe their skills weren't so marketable if they still can't find a job

IT, business consulting, workforce education. It's not so rosy out there homie.

[Eagle]

Keep arguing about the salary of flippers, I'm gonna check this line out. Expecting ridiculousness.

Got my costume on Dawk

[abidtsteele]

I live in Houston and before last years 1st prizm reload I could hit basically every target/walmart in the area and score everytime - I did that for 2018 prizm actually (ripped it all though b/c I'm a degen). Cards just didn't used to move

Even with all these stores though I doubt you could get to $1M a year on flipping. People didn't used to buy marked up retail in bulk. Couple hundred grand would probably be doable if you really "hustled hard"

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by TSonn

IT, business consulting, workforce education. It's not so rosy out there homie.

I guess it must depend on area then. I've not heard that from anyone I connect with in the IT industry. My company is hiring all the time. I work closely with many vendors and consulting companies and the industry is booming right now.

WFH has opened up so many new opportunities for hiring as well.

I will say this. If standing out in line to flip some blasters puts money on the table when otherwise you couldn't get any then fine but that's probably not reality for 90% of these people.

It's been a year, most everyone should be able to find a job in a year if they really want to.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

You can say that since you've been around. The people who came in 2020 or later can't. That's why there's so much hate/salt. They have no access now, and aren't benefitting from the collection value growth since they have none as a new person. Yet, they have to put up with cardboard millionaire threads and stories about 20k 86 fleers going to 700k in 2 years. I do empathize

The people that have been around though, you're absolutely right, can't have your cake and eat it too

For sure. I mean, I'm responding mostly to the posters who've been on here longer than me.

But for people who entered in 2020 or later, hasn't this just been the norm? How would they know anything different than retail being the 8th wonder of the world?

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by TSonn

This is a fairy tale story. Back in the "glory days" of finding retail everywhere you could probably only make a 20% profit on that retail if you dumped it immediately after. How do I know? I tried to sell 2 lots of 5 19-20 Prizm blasters for $200 each ($50 per blaster) for 6 months before finally just ripping it myself. There was no huge markup on 18-19 and 19-20 retail until about a year later.

Now, obviously a huge markup but also much harder to find. It all makes sense.

I feel your pain. Did the same. Found a decent amount of prizm when it released and optic as well. Then Zion came back from Injury and everything exploded. I ripped everything and I did no worse than break even tho so can’t complain. Well, my big complaint is that i had no patience to hold anything after i ripped. Have a Zion purple holo optic and a couple chronicles out in psa pergatory and that’ll close out that chapter lol.


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[Steve88]

Originally Posted by TSonn

For sure. I mean, I'm responding mostly to the posters who've been on here longer than me.

But for people who entered in 2020 or later, hasn't this just been the norm? How would they know anything different than retail being the 8th wonder of the world?

It's getting ridiculous how many breaks i see and people acting like they've hit gold hitting silver vets. Sooner or later, people are going to stop buying in at this ridiculous prices after being burned right? right??

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I guess it must depend on area then. I've not heard that from anyone I connect with in the IT industry. My company is hiring all the time. I work closely with many vendors and consulting companies and the industry is booming right now.

WFH has opened up so many new opportunities for hiring as well.

I will say this. If standing out in line to flip some blasters puts money on the table when otherwise you couldn't get any then fine but that's probably not reality for 90% of these people.

It's been a year, most everyone should be able to find a job in a year if they really want to.

I think there's plenty of hiring opportunities and I know my friends are applying to 2-3 jobs a week but I also think the candidate pools are so huge from the pandemic that it's so tough to rise to the top to get any of the available jobs.

What's your company? I'll pass it along to my friend to send in his application.