WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

No pun intended it could steal the show. Daniel Bryan isn't overrated nor underrated in the ring and ziggler is underrated in the ring. I feel these 2 could put something on well.

I agree 100%.
The point being, nobody cares who wins, they just want to see a good match.
Without caring about the outcome, this match is entertainment fodder and helps neither man.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

If there's any confusion on what over means anymore:

Bryan definitely over with this crowd when he sets up for the second Knee Plus and the entire crowd is doing the yes chant.

Roman Reigns definitely NOT over when he hits the spear (no reaction) then pins to get the win to no reaction. Not even boos for him, these people could have cared less. I guarantee Bryan wins and theirs a pop at the 3 count.

But whatever, I expected Reigns to win, not upset he did. Still think it's the wrong move, but it is what it is. Could be a pretty boring Wrestlemania Main Event if the fans are quite during that one too.

You're TV must have been on mute.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

If there's any confusion on what over means anymore:

Bryan definitely over with this crowd when he sets up for the second Knee Plus and the entire crowd is doing the yes chant.

Roman Reigns definitely NOT over when he hits the spear (no reaction) then pins to get the win to no reaction. Not even boos for him, these people could have cared less. I guarantee Bryan wins and theirs a pop at the 3 count.

But whatever, I expected Reigns to win, not upset he did. Still think it's the wrong move, but it is what it is. Could be a pretty boring Wrestlemania Main Event if the fans are quite during that one too.

Guaranteed face reaction for Lesnar.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

I agree 100%.
The point being, nobody cares who wins, they just want to see a good match.
Without caring about the outcome, this match is entertainment fodder and helps neither man.

It'll be like that Steamboat vs Macho Man match I believe and that was the highlight of Wrestlemania.

[hitman1116]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

I dont see how this match helps either of them. Neither man is in contention for a belt, there is no backstory and there is no feud.
This is a 100% entertainment match and it doesn't help either of them. They might as well throw 2 stuntmen out there for 15 minutes to do some flips and take some very hard bumps, because that's what this is.

neither guy needs the match but its going to be a match that the fans will enjoy and deserve to see. Puts both guys who right now have nothing better to fight over to jump into. It can be about one upping each other, about who is the fans favorite wrestler, who is the show stealer. Both guys being kept down by the authority over the past 2 years or so and how they are going to make the authority put them as the number 1 contender.

I think that's the match the fans want but I also see WWE doing Sheamus vs. Bryan since that is what was going to happen last year before the Yes Movement

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

It'll be like that Steamboat vs Macho Man match I believe and that was the highlight of Wrestlemania.

Steamboat/Savage was the highlight on WM3, if you're a wrestling revisionist. Hogan slamming Andre is the highlight of all Wrestlemanias, of all time.

Also, Steamboat/Savage was for the IC title.
Bryan/Ziggler is for determining who can take a better bump or who can do a better kip up. There are no stakes to this match.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Steamboat/Savage was the highlight on WM3, if you're a wrestling revisionist. Hogan slamming Andre is the highlight of all Wrestlemanias, of all time.

Also, Steamboat/Savage was for the IC title.
Bryan/Ziggler is for determining who can take a better bump or who can do a better kip up. There are no stakes to this match.

Yes of mania 3. Forgot which one it was.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by hitman1116

Both guys being kept down by the authority over the past 2 years or so and how they are going to make the authority put them as the number 1 contender.

Both guys are also coming off of mid-tier loses.
Storyline wise, Ziggler can't beat Harper or Barrett and Bryan can't beat Reigns. Meanwhile Orton rumbles in and cleans out 5 guys by himself and Rollins is holding the briefcase. I would give a #1 contendership to Orton/Rollins before Ziggler/Bryan.

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

If there's any confusion on what over means anymore:

Bryan definitely over with this crowd when he sets up for the second Knee Plus and the entire crowd is doing the yes chant.

Roman Reigns definitely NOT over when he hits the spear (no reaction) then pins to get the win to no reaction. Not even boos for him, these people could have cared less. I guarantee Bryan wins and theirs a pop at the 3 count.

But whatever, I expected Reigns to win, not upset he did. Still think it's the wrong move, but it is what it is. Could be a pretty boring Wrestlemania Main Event if the fans are quite during that one too.

I agree. I don't even like Bryan, but Vince is not listening to his audience and hasn't for a very long time.

They risk losing millions after WM with the network. People won''t even pay 9.99 to see crap like they put on tonight. They are holding back 80% of raw and nitros as well.. Many people have used up their library already and have nothing else invested in the network other than the live content.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Both guys are also coming off of mid-tier loses.
Storyline wise, Ziggler can't beat Harper or Barrett and Bryan can't beat Reigns. Meanwhile Orton rumbles in and cleans out 5 guys by himself and Rollins is holding the briefcase. I would give a #1 contendership to Orton/Rollins before Ziggler/Bryan.

Ziggler beat harper to win the belt back and got attacked after the match for the belt by barrett.

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I could see Roman winning the title, Giving Bryan his shot he never lost (technically he did now but were not suppose to know that) and Reigns does some underhanded thing to retain and turns heel on Bryan.

Show overall was good, It would have been better in a more Wrestling city. Memphis used to be a hot bed for Wrestling but that's been long over. Put this PPV in Chicago or New York and it comes off better. Sting-HHH stuff hurt by a dead crowd. Bray hurt by dead crowd. Only Tag Titles and Main event got people out of their seats. Diva's match wasn't bad it needed a screwy finish but hopefully more Diva's are in the match at Mania and not a plain Nikki-Pagie or Nikki-AJ match.

You are literally the only person who I have seen say this over 5+ websites.

Either you are trolling or living on another planet where good means bad.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

I agree. I don't even like Bryan, but Vince is not listening to his audience and hasn't for a very long time.

They risk losing millions after WM with the network. People won''t even pay 9.99 to see crap like they put on tonight. They are holding back 80% of ram and nitros as well.. Many people have used up their library already and have nothing else invested in the network other than the live content.

Vinny wants to book who he likes. Last year was the only time they booked what fans wanted. If you dont fit a tall or strong bosybuilder like person, you wont be in that main event match for a while. I watch all my streams for free. Wwe should have refunded everyone back their money for that ppv. It was a Raw on a sunday.

[Ty Hope]

RR simply has to go heel at some point. He is not going to get over with his current self. Is there any question who's going to get the face reaction at mania? Believe that.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

You are literally the only person who I have seen say this over 5+ websites.

Either you are trolling or living on another planet where good means bad.

People only say it wasn't good because of the crowd. In the ring the show was good and told a story for WrestleMania.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

People only say it wasn't good because of the crowd. In the ring the show was good and told a story for WrestleMania.

In the ring was some of the sloppiest wrestling we've seen in a PPV for years

[Ty Hope]

The ring work was very mediocre.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by duwal

In the ring was some of the sloppiest wrestling we've seen in a PPV for years

not to mention lilian screwed up a couple times. I felt like I got done watching raw. Gold vs Star took way too long and was just boring back and forth. I don't remember that 6 man tag being booked but it was just a basic tag match with no real spots besides orton being back. Nikki vs Paige was just that. Kiddaro vs Usos were back and forth with some decent spots. Rusev vs Orton seemed to be back and forth with a low blow and accolade finish. D-Bry vs Reigns was mainly Bryan carrying Reigns through it all with Reigns out of nowhere winning.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

Ziggler beat harper to win the belt back and got attacked after the match for the belt by barrett.

In the last 100 days, Ziggler has lost the belt to both Harper and Barrett. In regards to a #1 contendership, Ziggler doesn't deserve to be in the conversation (speaking storyline wise).

[Nyfancam01]

Thank god Bryan lost....

He is annoying as hell. Roman sucks too though

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

not to mention lilian screwed up a couple times. I felt like I got done watching raw. Gold vs Star took way too long and was just boring back and forth. I don't remember that 6 man tag being booked but it was just a basic tag match with no real spots besides orton being back. Nikki vs Paige was just that. Kiddaro vs Usos were back and forth with some decent spots. Rusev vs Orton seemed to be back and forth with a low blow and accolade finish. D-Bry vs Reigns was mainly Bryan carrying Reigns through it all with Reigns out of nowhere winning.

On that topic, I saw a little spark between Rollins and Ryback. There's potential there.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

You're TV must have been on mute.

No, I had my TV up pretty loud because we wanted to hear the fan reactions throughout the match. I'm guessing you were piping in fans cheering through your speakers like WWE does for tapings, right?

[celtics]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

No, I had my TV up pretty loud because we wanted to hear the fan reactions throughout the match. I'm guessing you were piping in fans cheering through your speakers like WWE does for tapings, right?

Agreed, there was a reaction but it was probably as loud as when Goldust beat Stardust lol

[celtics]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Unfortunately, this is true. I actually did like Ambrose stealing the belt. The ending was crap but we haven't seen a storyline of someone stealing a belt in what? 20 years? Lol

I loved him stealing the belt, actually gives "THE BELT" some significance and meaning which it has not had in at least 10-15 years.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

No, I had my TV up pretty loud because we wanted to hear the fan reactions throughout the match. I'm guessing you were piping in fans cheering through your speakers like WWE does for tapings, right?

Roof didn't get blown off but the cheers for Reigns winning was noticeable. The handshake got boos cause they wanted to see someone go heel I guess. Reigns got a good reaction with spear and after he won.

[natbornkiller]