2019 National Treasures Collegiate

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

What's even more unbelievable is that per card Immaculate is actually valued much higher than National Treasures. Just based on Immaculate having 6 cards versus the 8 NT has NT should be selling for at least 33% more than Immaculate. They are selling for right around the same.

The extra Buddy Hield napkin card doesn't really add value as an 'extra card' though.

I also think there's
1) college card fatigue,
and
2) no zion rn

[Supercomputers]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

The extra Buddy Hield napkin card doesn't really add value as an 'extra card' though.

I also think there's
1) college card fatigue,
and
2) no zion rn

Stuff is way to hot. Never thought Id say this but have no issues sitting on a few of these collegiate boxes.

[tier1dc]

$700 is a joke. Anyone selling for that will sorely regret it.

High offers are still out there; $875 standing at one place. And it doesn't take much to figure who's paying either.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

$700 is a joke. Anyone selling for that will sorely regret it.

High offers are still out there; $875 standing at one place. And it doesn't take much to figure who's paying either.

High offers are not out there. $875 at "one place". Are you serious? I must be pretty stupid because I can't find a place that is even still paying $800. If this mythical "one place" pays like blowout I would sell all of these in a heartbeat for $875 a piece. You can go buy a ton of these on ebay right now for $850 and probably less than that. Counting the multiple box listings there are at least 40 listed on ebay for $900 or a best offer. Just about all of those people would take $850 on ebay.

[gomiamigo]

yeah, I mean Rui at $122 rpa/99, RJ at 172, Hunter at $36, Reddish at $40, Ja at 325, PJ 50, Herro at $125, Coby 90, there's just not the value at $800-850 unless you get a Zion box. Much less after fees.

The other hits, leaving Paschall aside for now, like Gafford, Porter, Thybulle, Keldon, Nassir, Kris Wilkes, Langford, Jontay, Fernando, Bol, Lawson, Okeke, Kabengele just don't get you much at all.

You get 3 of the top RPAs and 2 of the bottom ones you might get a 50% roi if you don't hit a Zion. Only other is Ja will get you over 50%. Otherwise you need to hit a low-#/1of1 of a top rookie. Only so many of those to go around.

What's an Opkala /5 rpa gonna get you or /2 patch? $30? 35?

[Supercomputers]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

High offers are not out there. $875 at "one place". Are you serious? I must be pretty stupid because I can't find a place that is even still paying $800. If this mythical "one place" pays like blowout I would sell all of these in a heartbeat for $875 a piece. You can go buy a ton of these on ebay right now for $850 and probably less than that. Counting the multiple box listings there are at least 40 listed on ebay for $900 or a best offer. Just about all of those people would take $850 on ebay.

Tobad ebay charges tax. Makes all those boxes a no go. If they were 850.00 no fees they would be gone in two days. I would take all you have at 775

[jbettis32]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

yeah, I mean Rui at $122 rpa/99, RJ at 172, Hunter at $36, Reddish at $40, Ja at 325, PJ 50, Herro at $125, Coby 90, there's just not the value at $800-850 unless you get a Zion box. Much less after fees.

The other hits, leaving Paschall aside for now, like Gafford, Porter, Thybulle, Keldon, Nassir, Kris Wilkes, Langford, Jontay, Fernando, Bol, Lawson, Okeke, Kabengele just don't get you much at all.

You get 3 of the top RPAs and 2 of the bottom ones you might get a 50% roi if you don't hit a Zion. Only other is Ja will get you over 50%.

How high the ROI that NBA NT can give you? I see the collegiate box easily give you over 60%, not counting Zion itself. It is rare for the current "hobby" box for getting you 30% ROI. You pay $1200 per NT NBA box, roughly a half chance getting a RPA, and only top 3 or 4 RPAs may pay you back the box. Besides of the mid-tiers RPA, a logoman, a few top names auto, other hits are just laying around for $5 - $10 apeice....

[rambel]

Hit this card in a hit draft with Matt and it came back from BGS today!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

yeah, I mean Rui at $122 rpa/99, RJ at 172, Hunter at $36, Reddish at $40, Ja at 325, PJ 50, Herro at $125, Coby 90, there's just not the value at $800-850 unless you get a Zion box. Much less after fees.

The other hits, leaving Paschall aside for now, like Gafford, Porter, Thybulle, Keldon, Nassir, Kris Wilkes, Langford, Jontay, Fernando, Bol, Lawson, Okeke, Kabengele just don't get you much at all.

You get 3 of the top RPAs and 2 of the bottom ones you might get a 50% roi if you don't hit a Zion. Only other is Ja will get you over 50%. Otherwise you need to hit a low-#/1of1 of a top rookie. Only so many of those to go around.

What's an Opkala /5 rpa gonna get you or /2 patch? $30? 35?

Prices wildly vary according to patch. Bland patches can fetch as little as a half or third. I've been following Rui closely and his 2 color blah stuff has gotten between 130-150, while his stripe patches are well over 200 and can get into the 3xx range if it's a /25 or lower.

This product still blows anything else out of the water in terms of average ROI, even at elevated secondary box prices. 50% is never realistic, though is very much a great odds game even at $8xx. You're almost assured to get close to or make your money back if you rip at msrp. Outrageous.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

yeah, I mean Rui at $122 rpa/99, RJ at 172, Hunter at $36, Reddish at $40, Ja at 325, PJ 50, Herro at $125, Coby 90, there's just not the value at $800-850 unless you get a Zion box. Much less after fees.

The other hits, leaving Paschall aside for now, like Gafford, Porter, Thybulle, Keldon, Nassir, Kris Wilkes, Langford, Jontay, Fernando, Bol, Lawson, Okeke, Kabengele just don't get you much at all.

You get 3 of the top RPAs and 2 of the bottom ones you might get a 50% roi if you don't hit a Zion. Only other is Ja will get you over 50%. Otherwise you need to hit a low-#/1of1 of a top rookie. Only so many of those to go around.

What's an Opkala /5 rpa gonna get you or /2 patch? $30? 35?

Singles going down has not hurt box prices for other recent products one bit. Look at Prizm Draft FOTL and Immaculate Collegiate. Prizm Draft after retail came out singles tanked. FOTL boxes right now are the highest they have been. Immaculate collegiate singles have tanked. Box prices are very close to the highest they have been. I'm guessing 2018-19 Immaculate FOTL is the same way. National Treasures singles are selling better than both the above mentioned products. But box prices have not gone up at all.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Supercomputers

Tobad ebay charges tax. Makes all those boxes a no go. If they were 850.00 no fees they would be gone in two days. I would take all you have at 775

Many states still don't charge tax on ebay. I didn't sell to blowout at $800. I'll probably sit on the boxes for 2-3 months. Then when they are dirt cheap I'll sell them for $600-$650 a piece.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Prices wildly vary according to patch. Bland patches can fetch as little as a half or third. I've been following Rui closely and his 2 color blah stuff has gotten between 130-150, while his stripe patches are well over 200 and can get into the 3xx range if it's a /25 or lower.

This product still blows anything else out of the water in terms of average ROI, even at elevated secondary box prices. 50% is never realistic, though is very much a great odds game even at $8xx. You're almost assured to get close to or make your money back if you rip at msrp. Outrageous.

Unfortunately, it seems that the average buyer could care less. What's even harder for me to believe is that based on what Blowout is paying right now they figure for a break of Immaculate they can get people to pay $150-$160 for 1 of 6 spots. But for National Treasures people will only pay around $110 for 1 of 8 spots. Would never of believed that was possible 2 weeks ago.

[ChasingZion]

The breaker I watch most often is getting $200/spot for College NT. Has probably busted 5-6 boxes at that rate. Not a huge number of boxes maybe but impressive given the markup.

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ChasingZion

The breaker I watch most often is getting $200/spot for College NT. Has probably busted 5-6 boxes at that rate. Not a huge number of boxes maybe but impressive given the markup.

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So why doesn't he buy every box on ebay he can for $800-$850? Seems like a pretty nice profit to me.

[ChasingZion]

Highest offer I had was $875/box. I was a buyer at $800-$850 and did just fine on returns, even factoring in the unfortunate timing with the Paschall /25 RPA sale that caused me to potentially leave $300+ on the table.

I'm with Ninja - even at approx $850 the boxes are a great rip when compared to anticipated ROI in other products. I didnt hit a single Ja, Rui, or Herro in 4 boxes and all four of my booklets were /56 or /82 and won't sell. Despite that I will still come out ahead 15-25% even after fees. Hit 1 Zion total (in 4th box that I just opened today) so that helped but I wasn't stacking Zion RPAs up to get ahead. Only 1 RJ RPA too. Even hit the dreaded De'Andre Hunter box that had his RPA and booklet in same box!

Not saying it is a sure thing because that would be an overstatement, but the ROI seems so much better on these than anything will likely be moving forward. Just my opinion anyway.

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[ChasingZion]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

So why doesn't he buy every box on ebay he can for $800-$850? Seems like a pretty nice profit to me.

That would be a question for him. He has had the spots at $200 per since 1st box. He has definitely opened 5, might be 6. Perhaps he feels that he has squeezed all the juice he can from them? I am just a viewer, no insight in to the operation!

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[rw7183]

Originally Posted by ChasingZion

That would be a question for him. He has had the spots at $200 per since 1st box. He has definitely opened 5, might be 6. Perhaps he feels that he has squeezed all the juice he can from them? I am just a viewer, no insight in to the operation!

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So he is charging $1600 a box? Who is this breaker so I can make sure to never break with him.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ChasingZion

That would be a question for him. He has had the spots at $200 per since 1st box. He has definitely opened 5, might be 6. Perhaps he feels that he has squeezed all the juice he can from them? I am just a viewer, no insight in to the operation!

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Or what's more likely is he's full of it.

[ChasingZion]

He is charging that much, 100% certain of that. Perhaps he feels that if people will pay it then why not? I have no reason to embellish on it, I'm not sitting on a stash of boxes hoping to hype up the product to new heights! I'm a regular nobody that watches a few different online breakers. One of them has priced these exactly how I mentioned above. That's the whole story.

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ChasingZion

He is charging that much, 100% certain of that. Perhaps he feels that if people will pay it then why not? I have no reason to embellish on it, I'm not sitting on a stash of boxes hoping to hype up the product to new heights! I'm a regular nobody that watches a few different online breakers. One of them has priced these exactly how I mentioned above. That's the whole story.

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He's made after fees/shipping/time around $650-$725 profit per box 6 times. So he has made a total of probably over $4k for less than an 8 hour work days time and has no interest in buying more boxes. Makes sense.

[ChasingZion]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

He's made after fees/shipping/time around $650-$725 profit per box 6 times. So he has made a total of probably over $4k for less than an 8 hour work days time and has no interest in buying more boxes. Makes sense.

How do we know he has no interest in buying more boxes? Because there are a few still sitting on eBay?

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[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

High offers are not out there. $875 at "one place". Are you serious? I must be pretty stupid because I can't find a place that is even still paying $800. If this mythical "one place" pays like blowout I would sell all of these in a heartbeat for $875 a piece. You can go buy a ton of these on ebay right now for $850 and probably less than that. Counting the multiple box listings there are at least 40 listed on ebay for $900 or a best offer. Just about all of those people would take $850 on ebay.

last 3 sales on Dealernet

Last 3 Trades
2019-11-08 W $ 855.00 / box (QTY: 2)

2019-11-08 W $ 850.00 / box (QTY: 3)

2019-11-08 W $ 855.00 / box (QTY: 4)

and they're moving quickly.

2 available @ $993 & $997

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

You're almost assured to get close to or make your money back if you rip at msrp. Outrageous.

You certainly should rip at MSRP but you can't buy boxes at that level and most of us couldn't buy them there on release day either.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by ChasingZion

I will still come out ahead 15-25% even after fees. Hit 1 Zion total (in 4th box that I just opened today) so that helped but I wasn't stacking Zion RPAs up to get ahead. Only 1 RJ RPA too.

You got a positive ROI because you hit a Zion...which is what I've been saying all along.

The point isn't that this is a better rip than Hoops or whatever, but is this still a worthwhile rip at $850-$900. It's not. Just because it sucks less at current pricing doesn't make it an amazing value like many are claiming...even though they aren't buying them up at $850. Can't have it both ways.

As other posters here say about every other product, if you want to get the college cards you want, just buy singles and save the 50-80% loss on non-Zion boxes. Singles prices continue to fall.

If you want to just gamble on Zion, buy Immac because that has 25% better auto odds. This would be 2nd to that product.

[Stats]

My pack was calling to me today and decided to take the chance. I love seeing that flat top!

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