Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Without clogging up the thread with quoted photos...

Pslyocke is a stunner!

Thanos black label is my 2nd favorite of the group...

and a close one on 3rd, but I'd say either Surfer, just because it's an awesome card or Emma Frost...which was always one of my favorites(as a 13/14 year old when this stuff came out! )

All cool cards though...hope you can manage to track down the whole set! Wish they'd put them in hobby, as I'm sure there would be a significant amount more of them floating around by now.

PS. You SHOULD get a 2nd Psylocke, get it graded a 10...then "foist it" on me ... Just a random suggestion!

Thanks man- appreciate it! Yea for 13-14 yr me, probably a wash between the Psylocke or White Queen, ha.

This set has been a grind. The number reaching the market has fallen off a steep cliff, and I think it’s because people aren’t opening blasters anymore because the weak value. I debated starting to bust more blasters myself, but I don’t think that’s the way to go about it.

I guess the only good thing is have most of the big characters done (except the biggest…anyone have a Spidey? )

Your 3 fav match mine. I like the Thor in 10 but one complaint for that one is they picked a variant cover that covers the whole card with text- not a great pick by UD imo. I will definitely let you know if I come into possession of another psylocke…never know!

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Thanks man- appreciate it! Yea for 13-14 yr me, probably a wash between the Psylocke or White Queen, ha.

This set has been a grind. The number reaching the market has fallen off a steep cliff, and I think it’s because people aren’t opening blasters anymore because the weak value. I debated starting to bust more blasters myself, but I don’t think that’s the way to go about it.

I guess the only good thing is have most of the big characters done (except the biggest…anyone have a Spidey? )

Your 3 fav match mine. I like the Thor in 10 but one complaint for that one is they picked a variant cover that covers the whole card with text- not a great pick by UD imo. I will definitely let you know if I come into possession of another psylocke…never know!

Opening is about the worst way to collect a numbered set like this. I'm sure you know that! About the ONLY way it ever works out is if the set itself is "cheap" and later on becomes highly valuable(see 16MM).

The first Spidey that hits the market is probably going to be as expensive as the other top 3-5 cards combined, sadly. Maybe someone who doesn't collect as much will list one for a reasonable price... One can hope! I know this set is what it is and is obviously pretty highly collected...but I have had a Spidey /25 from another set(Flair) for sale at $250 for...months and months. Apples to oranges, I know, but it's always odd to think that because of the set it's worth whatever, 5-10x more.

Another side note, just when talking about Marvel that I personally go out and look for...things have REALLY slowed down now that Marvel has left ePack. Used to be on a daily basis you could go search COMC and a few hundred(or more, if a set had just dropped) new cards would pop up. Now...yikes, it's slow. Slow enough that I haven't really been paying much attention to cards lately

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Opening is about the worst way to collect a numbered set like this. I'm sure you know that! About the ONLY way it ever works out is if the set itself is "cheap" and later on becomes highly valuable(see 16MM).

The first Spidey that hits the market is probably going to be as expensive as the other top 3-5 cards combined, sadly. Maybe someone who doesn't collect as much will list one for a reasonable price... One can hope! I know this set is what it is and is obviously pretty highly collected...but I have had a Spidey /25 from another set(Flair) for sale at $250 for...months and months. Apples to oranges, I know, but it's always odd to think that because of the set it's worth whatever, 5-10x more.

Another side note, just when talking about Marvel that I personally go out and look for...things have REALLY slowed down now that Marvel has left ePack. Used to be on a daily basis you could go search COMC and a few hundred(or more, if a set had just dropped) new cards would pop up. Now...yikes, it's slow. Slow enough that I haven't really been paying much attention to cards lately

Good points all around. It definitely doesn’t make sense to bust wax. From reports the purple variants could be as hard as 1:2-3 cases. Even if I got one, it would then have to be one I need, which isn’t likely. So it’s a weird situation where I have to just hope the hobby overall opens more of the blaster run.

Another hope is a lot more have been pulled than we’re seeing, but are currently in long grading processes, particularly with PSA, and wont become available until multiple months out after theyre graded.

That is a very good point the set can be a huge difference for the same /#’d. I’d argue even within the same set, with the same numbered, it can vary widely. I’m aware of one sale of a spidey purple variant, it was not on eBay, and sold after posted an asking of 2500 (whether the buyer negotiated off that I don’t know). So your 10x guess was actually pretty accurate. Crazy to compare that to another /25 spidey from other sets. Even in this 92MM Plat..an orange lava spidey /25 PSA 9 just sold for $1500 on the bay, so it can vary within a set, what the parallel is. I’d estimate the purple variant higher than that.

Everything I’m seeing agrees with your observations about the action marvel is getting on ePack and comc. I see post after post on other media about clearing out ePack now that marvel is done. I guess this was expected…but wow…sure looks marvel action has plummeted post epack.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Thanks man- appreciate it! Yea for 13-14 yr me, probably a wash between the Psylocke or White Queen, ha.

This set has been a grind. The number reaching the market has fallen off a steep cliff, and I think it’s because people aren’t opening blasters anymore because the weak value. I debated starting to bust more blasters myself, but I don’t think that’s the way to go about it.

I guess the only good thing is have most of the big characters done (except the biggest…anyone have a Spidey? )

Your 3 fav match mine. I like the Thor in 10 but one complaint for that one is they picked a variant cover that covers the whole card with text- not a great pick by UD imo. I will definitely let you know if I come into possession of another psylocke…never know!

Retail cases are dropping down to $850 a case…. Just saying

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Good points all around. It definitely doesn’t make sense to bust wax. From reports the purple variants could be as hard as 1:2-3 cases. Even if I got one, it would then have to be one I need, which isn’t likely. So it’s a weird situation where I have to just hope the hobby overall opens more of the blaster run.

Another hope is a lot more have been pulled than we’re seeing, but are currently in long grading processes, particularly with PSA, and wont become available until multiple months out after theyre graded.

That is a very good point the set can be a huge difference for the same /#’d. I’d argue even within the same set, with the same numbered, it can vary widely. I’m aware of one sale of a spidey purple variant, it was not on eBay, and sold after posted an asking of 2500 (whether the buyer negotiated off that I don’t know). So your 10x guess was actually pretty accurate. Crazy to compare that to another /25 spidey from other sets. Even in this 92MM Plat..an orange lava spidey /25 PSA 9 just sold for $1500 on the bay, so it can vary within a set, what the parallel is. I’d estimate the purple variant higher than that.

Everything I’m seeing agrees with your observations about the action marvel is getting on ePack and comc. I see post after post on other media about clearing out ePack now that marvel is done. I guess this was expected…but wow…sure looks marvel action has plummeted post epack.

It hasn't really hurt the selling side of things, as far as what my items are selling for and how many items that are being sold(via eBay, at least). What it has done is slow my buying to a crawl. I've only bought around 100~ cards so far this month. Typically, I'd be at 3-4x that. So, slow.

As far as finishing the set goes...maybe as you get closer you can post a "bounty" on the Spidey, assuming you haven't found one yet. That might get one to come out hiding and/or get people opening a little bit. Not sure what price you'd have to offer to get that to work, but it'd probably be quite a bit. Kind of similar to how ePack achievements work. If you want that $0.50 card that is needed by 35 other people to get that $1,000 card...you really had to pony up. Hopefully someone lists one soon for a realistic price and you can just put that part of it to bed. I know you're further off than that but I'm sure that'll be a big chunk of "getting there".

PS. That's another good point...cards at SGC/PSA/CGC/BGS... I suspect that might be where a Spidey would end up

[meandsharon11]

Best golden treasures on eBay auction right now

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

Best golden treasures on eBay auction right now

Yeesh thats a nice one. 300 with 6 days left….it should go high.

Beast is not normally an A or B list character in marvel card values, but this one due to the art is solid. It might just barely crack my top 10 fav art in the set. I swear when chasing parallel sets Beast is the sneaky one that I have to pay up for oftentimes.

[Kobefan]

Do we need to pay extra if we win an auction card and the seller is from China? I want to make an offer on a card, but would hold back, if i get charged additional 30-50%.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Do we need to pay extra if we win an auction card and the seller is from China? I want to make an offer on a card, but would hold back, if i get charged additional 30-50%.

I buy marvel cards from Chinese sellers on eBay pretty often…don’t remember seeing any extra fees than what you see upfront. There often is a note from eBay where the shipping line is that says something like “no extra duties or fees will be charged”.

For very expensive cards, idk maybe thats still the case, maybe it isn’t…but so far I cant remember seeing extra fees tacked on

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Do we need to pay extra if we win an auction card and the seller is from China? I want to make an offer on a card, but would hold back, if i get charged additional 30-50%.

No. There is a $10-$20 shipping charge, but no additional fees for now.

[DynaEtch]

Spider-Man regular golden treasures 1/1 has been hit…posted today in a Reddit post.

Possibly best card in the product. At least top 3 (with the other 2 spidey 1/1 golds).

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Spider-Man regular golden treasures 1/1 has been hit…posted today in a Reddit post.

Possibly best card in the product. At least top 3 (with the other 2 spidey 1/1 golds).

And someone can use that as a downpayment on a house lol

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

And someone can use that as a downpayment on a house lol

For sure. He was asking for value estimates in the thread. Tbh it’d be very hard to estimate the value of that. We aren’t in the crazy pandemic PMG type pricing in the hobby anymore. But it depends what deep pocket players out there want it, and how bad they want it.

My gut would say $40-50k+. There was that Wolverine golden treasure 1/1 that hit ebay for around $45k then quickly removed, possibly from private sale, but don’t know.

If this was the only 1/1 spidey in the product I think it would have even more prestige. But just 1 of the 3. Still though, of the 3 this is prob my personal fav.

[DynaEtch]

Edit: nvm will wait for it to play out

[meandsharon11]

I was thinking $25k until I read your post about the Wolverine.

Not knowing what that Wolverine actually went for, I would guess $30k - $35k for the spider-man, with things being as they are today. I only say that cause lately card prices seem to be slumping.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

I was thinking $25k until I read your post about the Wolverine.

Not knowing what that Wolverine actually went for, I would guess $30k - $35k for the spider-man, with things being as they are today. I only say that cause lately card prices seem to be slumping.

Possibly. If this was 4 years ago….I would have said sky’s the limit and been talking about $100k+ numbers. We are definitely in a different landscape now…very few people in the marvel card hobby paying multiple tens of thousands for a card. The sports crowd seems more heavily doing their thing with Chrome (as usual), vs marvel platinum.

All it takes is someone like that celebrity who was buying marvel cards or big influencers though…you never know. But your $30k-ish may be a more realistic number than my $50k+ guess.

As a set collector 1/1s aren’t really my thing- you can’t collect the whole set. Not that I’d be in the stratosphere of competing for this anyway.

[DynaEtch]

There is some discussion on the marvel card FB group about potential duplicate/not legit golden treasure 1/1s being spotted. I’m following the discussion, but as said above, trying to wait to see how things play out before forming an opinion. I would hope if any non-legit gold treasure does exist (still speculation at this point), that eBay AG/grading companies would catch it.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Possibly. If this was 4 years ago….I would have said sky’s the limit and been talking about $100k+ numbers. We are definitely in a different landscape now…very few people in the marvel card hobby paying multiple tens of thousands for a card. The sports crowd seems more heavily doing their thing with Chrome (as usual), vs marvel platinum.

All it takes is someone like that celebrity who was buying marvel cards or big influencers though…you never know. But your $30k-ish may be a more realistic number than my $50k+ guess.

As a set collector 1/1s aren’t really my thing- you can’t collect the whole set. Not that I’d be in the stratosphere of competing for this anyway.

You have as much of an understanding on price as I do, if not more. We are in the same range, but as you stated, we really don’t know. It only takes 2 people to run it up. It just seems to me that lately the $ being spent on singles has dropped, and not just in marvel. I heavily follow football, as well as some basketball, and in the last 2 months there has been a noticeable drop in singles sale prices ( except for the super high end cards which could negate this whole diatribe since we are talking about spider-man).

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

There is some discussion on the marvel card FB group about potential duplicate/not legit golden treasure 1/1s being spotted. I’m following the discussion, but as said above, trying to wait to see how things play out before forming an opinion. I would hope if any non-legit gold treasure does exist (still speculation at this point), that eBay AG/grading companies would catch it.

I would think it would be noticeable. I have seen several knock offs of the superfractor, and it is really hard to create an exact duplicate. There always seems to be inconsistencies in the pattern, or the color is slightly off, or it has an awkward shine/refraction off of it. It’s harder to distinguish online with nothing next to it for comparison though.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

I would think it would be noticeable. I have seen several knock offs of the superfractor, and it is really hard to create an exact duplicate. There always seems to be inconsistencies in the pattern, or the color is slightly off, or it has an awkward shine/refraction off of it. It’s harder to distinguish online with nothing next to it for comparison though.

This is right on. So what triggered the discussion is a pic of another purported Spidey gold treasures was provided (different one than the one pulled this morning on Reddit). I don’t think people are questioning the Reddit one.

The focus is on the “1 of 1” stamp which appears to shown inconsistencies in the ones that are being questioned, and also the Skybox Hologram (legit copies have holographic UD logos also in that hologram). It’ll be interesting to follow this. Some people are questioning those gold treasures which were quickly pulled from eBay a little while back including the Psylocke. Might be a good idea to use caution when purchasing raw golden treasures at the moment…at least do your due diligence. Helps to have eBay AG on eBay at least. Although marvel cards dont usually have this problem, which is more common in 90s basketball etc…I wonder if this set with the high prices and superfractor pattern convinced the bad actors to try things…all speculation at this point..nothing definite.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

This is right on. So what triggered the discussion is a pic of another purported Spidey gold treasures was provided (different one than the one pulled this morning on Reddit). I don’t think people are questioning the Reddit one.

The focus is on the “1 of 1” stamp which appears to shown inconsistencies in the ones that are being questioned, and also the Skybox Hologram (legit copies have holographic UD logos also in that hologram). It’ll be interesting to follow this. Some people are questioning those gold treasures which were quickly pulled from eBay a little while back including the Psylocke. Might be a good idea to use caution when purchasing raw golden treasures at the moment…at least do your due diligence. Helps to have eBay AG on eBay at least. Although marvel cards dont usually have this problem, which is more common in 90s basketball etc…I wonder if this set with the high prices and superfractor pattern convinced the bad actors to try things…all speculation at this point..nothing definite.

I think these people are trying it with everything. The same thing was done with topps chrome cabbage patch and garbage pail kids. Luckily enough for me, my low salary diet keeps me immune to such purchases lol.

[PurplesaurusRex]

I'm not on Facebook, can you share a link or screenshots of the possible fake?

[Spacemanspif]

I'd put that at six figures easy. Mickey Mouse 1/1 Super from the Disney100 set went for $500k (allegedly), and the LOTR MTG Ring went for $2M. I think we're all in agreement that this is THE SET for all Marvel collectors right? The only thing holding this back from being on par with the Mickey is that there are 3 versions, and it's debatable between the Gold PMG and the Golden Treasures which would be the "true" top card. I don't think people are ripping $3k cases in hopes of hitting a top card worth only 10x their investment. TBH if it was available for $40-50k I'd figure out a way to make it work, I would have to move a ton of smaller cards but would rather have this card than a closet full of boxes of parallel sets.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

I'm not on Facebook, can you share a link or screenshots of the possible fake?

I’m going to call the situation inconclusive for now…but for example here is one comparing “1 of 1” serial number stamps- some are questioning if the upper left, which was the eBay Psylocke taken down, differs from the rest (which are thought to be legit from various eBay listings).



Some also think the gold superfractor pattern looks off on some examples, but judging this stuff from photos isn’t easy. I’m not gonna make conclusions since I didn’t have examples in hand to compare.

Whatever the case, since a pic of another purported Spidey golden treasures 1/1 was provided (if it’s a different one, people seem to think it is), that would need explanation. I do not question the Reddit one, to me it seems legit (as much as I can tell from a pic at least).

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I’m going to call the situation inconclusive for now…but for example here is one comparing “1 of 1” serial number stamps- some are questioning if the upper left, which was the eBay Psylocke taken down, differs from the rest (which are thought to be legit from various eBay listings).



Some also think the gold superfractor pattern looks off on some examples, but judging this stuff from photos isn’t easy. I’m not gonna make conclusions since I didn’t have examples in hand to compare.

Whatever the case, since a pic of another purported Spidey golden treasures 1/1 was provided (if it’s a different one, people seem to think it is), that would need explanation. I do not question the Reddit one, to me it seems legit (as much as I can tell from a pic at least).

That’s the other issue with fakes. They can’t seem to get the serial # right. If that’s the Psylock then I see why it was taken down.