2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by pac213up

It is fairly simple. Dems stick with Dems, Repubs sticks with Repubs a high majority of the time. Does not really matter if they do good bad or indifferent. People's allegiance to party shapes their perception.

Brobocop at least has some objectivity.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I'm liberal but it's amazed me how he's become "America's Governor" when New York State has been so messy. Meanwhile, Republican governor DeWine here in Ohio has done nothing short of a fantastic job. Gets almost nowhere near the love from national media here. I've seen more love for him from international news sources. So disappointing.

You should see Prickzter over here in Illinois. Keeps going on Meet The Press and those shows to say how great of a job he’s doing even without Trump not helping him at all or whatever

I don’t know if there is recall elections in Illinois, but I’d like one

[fordman]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I will get back on my Cuomo soapbox.

His handling of the situation has been, by any objective measure, horrendous.

Nursing home policy, anyone?

He didn’t lock down NYS until Mar 22, a week after CA.

NYS has more deaths than Italy, with about 1/3 the population. Probably the worst governor in America. Yet his approval rating is over 80%?

How to explain the latter other than he drowns out the criticism with his daily pressers??

How would have you handled the virus differently? I have asked my circle of friends this many times and I get the same 'I don't know' or 'I'd never closed everything'. But still, they have no clear cut way they would have responded to it.

Whether Democrat or Republican, there was no easy way to handle the situation politically. The extreme right is getting their way in most states as businesses are opening back up despite the spike in Covid-19 cases (Georgia). The extreme right (TV-Radio-YouTube talking heads) is getting their way again and the GOP is pandering to them (as always) to open non-essential businesses too early. YES, you can live without a haircut or spring floral seeds. You need food, Kroger or whatever grocery chain, is essential for distribution of food/household cleaning supplies.

Fordman

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by fordman

How would have you handled the virus differently? I have asked my circle of friends this many times and I get the same 'I don't know' or 'I'd never closed everything'. But still, they have no clear cut way they would have responded to it.

Whether Democrat or Republican, there was no easy way to handle the situation politically. The extreme right is getting their way in most states as businesses are opening back up despite the spike in Covid-19 cases (Georgia). The extreme right (TV-Radio-YouTube talking heads) is getting their way again and the GOP is pandering to them (as always) to open non-essential businesses too early. YES, you can live without a haircut or spring floral seeds. You need food, Kroger or whatever grocery chain, is essential for distribution of food/household cleaning supplies.

Fordman

Georgia spike?

“Georgia reports lowest number of COVID patients in a month”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/geo...nts-in-a-month

[Soxfanguy]

It’s absurd here in Illinois. There was cemeteries that locked their gates because god forbid people pay respects on Mother’s Day.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by fordman

How would have you handled the virus differently? I have asked my circle of friends this many times and I get the same 'I don't know' or 'I'd never closed everything'. But still, they have no clear cut way they would have responded to it.

Whether Democrat or Republican, there was no easy way to handle the situation politically. The extreme right is getting their way in most states as businesses are opening back up despite the spike in Covid-19 cases (Georgia). The extreme right (TV-Radio-YouTube talking heads) is getting their way again and the GOP is pandering to them (as always) to open non-essential businesses too early. YES, you can live without a haircut or spring floral seeds. You need food, Kroger or whatever grocery chain, is essential for distribution of food/household cleaning supplies.

Fordman

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Georgia spike?

“Georgia reports lowest number of COVID patients in a month”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/geo...nts-in-a-month

The problem in a nutshell.

I could show you a dozen media articles about a spike in Georgia, when the truth is the exact opposite. The numbers being reported continue to get smaller, hospitalizations decreasing daily. No spike whatever, not even close but it just doesn't matter.

Facts left years ago. It's about narrative.

[fordman]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Georgia spike?

“Georgia reports lowest number of COVID patients in a month”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/geo...nts-in-a-month

Key word in the report 'hospitalized'; not all Covid-19 patients are in an ICU with a ventilator.

I used the State of Georgia's Covid-19 data. The last I saw was last week. I just saw a decline in reported cases in the state.

Fordman

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by fordman

Key word in the report 'hospitalized'; not all Covid-19 patients are in an ICU with a ventilator.

I used the State of Georgia's Covid-19 data. The last I saw was last week. I just saw a decline in reported cases in the state.

Fordman

Ton of people have it but show no symptoms. What’s the harm in that? If anything it’s good because it’s building herd immunity. Some studies have shown that herd immunity could be built with little as 20% of people infected


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20021725v2

[fordman]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The problem in a nutshell.

I could show you a dozen media articles about a spike in Georgia, when the truth is the exact opposite. The numbers being reported continue to get smaller, hospitalizations decreasing daily. No spike whatever, not even close but it just doesn't matter.

Facts left years ago. It's about narrative.

Originally Posted by fordman

How would have you handled the virus differently? I have asked my circle of friends this many times and I get the same 'I don't know' or 'I'd never closed everything'. But still, they have no clear cut way they would have responded to it.

Again, how would you have handled Covid-19 in NYS differently?

Im with Brobocop, I don't really agree with Ohio Gov Dewine on most issues but he's handled this Covid-19 issue flawlessly.

Fordman

[fordman]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Ton of people have it but show no symptoms. What’s the harm in that? If anything it’s good because it’s building herd immunity. Some studies have shown that herd immunity could be built with little as 20% of people infected


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20021725v2

If I had the virus and was asymptomatic, I would still be very contagious to everyone else I would come in contact with. Spouse/kids other family that live in the dwelling are likely to be infected and may show signs immediately or may not show for 12-14 days. This is the whole reason for the stay at home mandates. I have heard this argument from several people and all of them have do direct family (spouse/kids).

I coach a little league baseball team, if I'm asymptomatic with Covid-19, I'm putting 13 players, their parents & other family members, other coaches, other team, umpires and any others who might be at the field for the game. How is having Covid-19 beneficial if I'm asymptomatic?

Fordman

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by fordman

Again, how would you have handled Covid-19 in NYS differently?

Im with Brobocop, I don't really agree with Ohio Gov Dewine on most issues but he's handled this Covid-19 issue flawlessly.

Fordman

Flawlessly? That's a stretch. He spends his time being flip flopping every day on his daily press conferences. Tries to say things in such a way that he can blame someone else in the event a spike would happen. Anyone that is remotely against him he just makes some smart comment about and discounts them. He continues to not even try to listen to anyone that goes against his selected groups. I would say he's done a decent job, but has left a lot to be desired.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Ton of people have it but show no symptoms. What’s the harm in that? If anything it’s good because it’s building herd immunity. Some studies have shown that herd immunity could be built with little as 20% of people infected


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20021725v2

Long way to go either way.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ntibodies-test

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Long way to go either way.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ntibodies-test

The survey was not representative of the US population. Sixty percent of those who took part were male, and 80% were white. Most of those surveyed were also either highly paid, professional athletes or white collar workers.

“There’s a socioeconomic gradient where poorer populations are facing Covid infections at higher rates,” Bhattacharya said.

Over 95% of the participants were under 65 and few reported underlying health issues.

[fordman]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Flawlessly? That's a stretch. He spends his time being flip flopping every day on his daily press conferences. Tries to say things in such a way that he can blame someone else in the event a spike would happen. Anyone that is remotely against him he just makes some smart comment about and discounts them. He continues to not even try to listen to anyone that goes against his selected groups. I would say he's done a decent job, but has left a lot to be desired.

Ok, Flawlessly is probably not the best term. But he hasn't pandered to the extreme right in the party. He's putting medical science in front of the armchair doctors. NO, YOUR FREEDOMS HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN AWAY. DON'T MISTAKE YOU'RE FREEDOMS FOR INCONVENIENCE!

I hope a second spike doesnt happen as there will be sickness and death to deal with. And then another shutdown which I feel would be more devastating on the economy.

Fordman

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

The survey was not representative of the US population. Sixty percent of those who took part were male, and 80% were white. Most of those surveyed were also either highly paid, professional athletes or white collar workers.

“There’s a socioeconomic gradient where poorer populations are facing Covid infections at higher rates,” Bhattacharya said.

Over 95% of the participants were under 65 and few reported underlying health issues.

I have read it. It is biased as are many of the other reported antibody tests that show a higher reported infection rate. It was still a disappointingly low number IMO.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by fordman

Ok, Flawlessly is probably not the best term. But he hasn't pandered to the extreme right in the party. He's putting medical science in front of the armchair doctors. NO, YOUR FREEDOMS HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN AWAY. DON'T MISTAKE YOU'RE FREEDOMS FOR INCONVENIENCE!

I hope a second spike doesnt happen as there will be sickness and death to deal with. And then another shutdown which I feel would be more devastating on the economy.

Fordman

Im not saying he should pander to the extreme right nor am I for them saying that freedoms are being taken away.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I will get back on my Cuomo soapbox. All fans of Cuomo please read this and feel free to respond.
https://breggin.com/covid-19-sos-sav...rom-gov-cuomo/

His handling of the situation has been, by any objective measure, horrendous.

Nursing home policy, anyone?

He didn’t lock down NYS until Mar 22, a week after CA.

NYS has more deaths than Italy, with about 1/3 the population. Probably the worst governor in America. Yet his approval rating is over 80%?

How to explain the latter other than he drowns out the criticism with his daily pressers??

Then he had the audacity to tell other state governor's to use "common sense".

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by fordman

How would have you handled the virus differently? I have asked my circle of friends this many times and I get the same 'I don't know' or 'I'd never closed everything'. But still, they have no clear cut way they would have responded to it.

Whether Democrat or Republican, there was no easy way to handle the situation politically. The extreme right is getting their way in most states as businesses are opening back up despite the spike in Covid-19 cases (Georgia). The extreme right (TV-Radio-YouTube talking heads) is getting their way again and the GOP is pandering to them (as always) to open non-essential businesses too early. YES, you can live without a haircut or spring floral seeds. You need food, Kroger or whatever grocery chain, is essential for distribution of food/household cleaning supplies.

Fordman

I wouldn't force Covid-19 patients into nursing homes, for starters.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I wouldn't force Covid-19 patients into nursing homes, for starters.

I believe they finally moved on from that policy over the last couple of days. That was a headscratcher.

[rcmb3220]

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I believe they finally moved on from that policy over the last couple of days. That was a headscratcher.

It was only a head-scratcher because the models he was using predicted fallout at hospitals. Remember, he was talking about needing 30,000 ventilators and having 75,000+ people hospitalized by mid-April. They spent resources turning convention centers into hospitals ...

Who answers for the decision to quarantine all the sick people together at the nursing homes while the National Guard made hospitals remain unused and empty? And it wasn't just the sick patients at nursing homes ... employees who tested positive but were asymptomatic were ALLOWED to work!

80% approval rating. Amazing.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I believe they finally moved on from that policy over the last couple of days. That was a headscratcher.

Mm. Yes. A "headscratcher" that contributed significantly to what, 1700 deaths?

But yes, let's just shrug and move on to the next Cuomo disaster.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Your daily reminder about the only issue that matters. Not abortion, not guns, not Russia, not immigration, not even Coronavirus.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

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[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It was only a head-scratcher because the models he was using predicted fallout at hospitals. Remember, he was talking about needing 30,000 ventilators and having 75,000+ people hospitalized by mid-April. They spent resources turning convention centers into hospitals ...

Who answers for the decision to quarantine all the sick people together at the nursing homes while the National Guard made hospitals remain unused and empty? And it wasn't just the sick patients at nursing homes ... employees who tested positive but were asymptomatic were ALLOWED to work!

80% approval rating. Amazing.

Yeah I get why they did it to begin with but it feels like they could have moved on from it a lot faster, especially considering how COVID19 has impacted nursing homes and long term care facilities. Took too long to pivot.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

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Why not add $2,000 a month for most people, $2,000/kid and make it retroactive to March and have it last until the health emergency is declared over?