***Official CAITLIN CLARK Thread***

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Are those Flawless/Instant logos game used?

Flawless is historically game used, at least for NBA. It is not for this product.

[bluebirds987]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Are those Flawless/Instant logos game used?

I got a real kick out of one of the Backyard breaks guys saying he knew they weren't game used, but thought he saw some dirt on it.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Have you looked at her stats recently?

she is killing it

Take a gander at her efficiency

[PrinceVegeta]

Is it 50/50 Clark to Reese? Can't watch a backyard boys stream

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Take a gander at her efficiency

still putting up stats

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Is it 50/50 Clark to Reese? Can't watch a backyard boys stream

It's Clark, Reese, and a whole bunch of other ladies I've never heard of (except Cameron Brink) but I'm also not a WNBA head

[technowando]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Is it 50/50 Clark to Reese? Can't watch a backyard boys stream

It seemed to be. I watched for a little bit.

They were pulling Next Day autos, but they weren't super common, so I feel like Panini didn't go crazy and print too much of this product.

I took a chance and bought a box when it dropped to $4k. I got a Nika Muhl Kaboom and a Flawless CC /20. I feel like I got lucky and I'm happy with the result.

[WaiverWire]

Originally Posted by technowando

It seemed to be. I watched for a little bit.

They were pulling Next Day autos, but they weren't super common, so I feel like Panini didn't go crazy and print too much of this product.

I took a chance and bought a box when it dropped to $4k. I got a Nika Muhl Kaboom and a Flawless CC /20. I feel like I got lucky and I'm happy with the result.

I think you got a good outcome.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

It’s only in the small print right?


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Yes "only" in the "small print".

BTW that "only" in the "small print" is the name of the set.

Really dishonest practice by Panini here but what would you expect?

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

Yes "only" in the "small print".

BTW that "only" in the "small print" is the name of the set.

Really dishonest practice by Panini here but what would you expect?

Not surprising. Like someone mentioned definitely more of an issue for grading. PSA and Panini go well together in disappointment.


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[Chiwsox2005]

Do Clark/Reese have any other on-card autos outside of a few from their college Bowman stuff? From my brief research the one thing this product does have going for it is that the autos all look to be on card.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

Not surprising. Like someone mentioned definitely more of an issue for grading. PSA and Panini go well together in disappointment.


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More of an issue? Compared to what?

I'd say the biggest issue is customers who purchased this product thinking it was "Rookie Royalty" and instead they got "Panini Instant" cards.

I know if I paid $3,000 per box thinking that this was Rookie Royalty and not some last minute batch of Panini Instant cards, I'd be wanting a refund real fast.

PSA mis-labeling the cards as Rookie Royalty vs correctly labeling them as Panini Instant so that I could re-sale them at a higher value and continue the grift wouldn't make me feel any better. What PSA labels them is pretty much inconsequential. The cards are Panini Instant either way.

[technowando]

Originally Posted by Chiwsox2005

Do Clark/Reese have any other on-card autos outside of a few from their college Bowman stuff? From my brief research the one thing this product does have going for it is that the autos all look to be on card.

These are the only on-card autos Panini has released for Clark or Reese.

2025 WNBA Donruss will have a Private Signings insert that will feature on-card autographs. Panini hasn't released a checklist so we don't know who is on that list. Those won't (or shouldn't) be rookie cards though (at least for Clark/Reese -- maybe they'll have Paige though?).

[technowando]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

More of an issue? Compared to what?

I'd say the biggest issue is customers who purchased this product thinking it was "Rookie Royalty" and instead they got "Panini Instant" cards.

I know if I paid $3,000 per box thinking that this was Rookie Royalty and not some last minute batch of Panini Instant cards, I'd be wanting a refund real fast.

PSA mis-labeling the cards as Rookie Royalty vs correctly labeling them as Panini Instant so that I could re-sale them at a higher value and continue the grift wouldn't make me feel any better. What PSA labels them is pretty much inconsequential. The cards are Panini Instant either way.

You'd really feel better if it said Rookie Royalty? Some BS they just made up? As someone who bought one, I could care less. My experiences in life had lead me to believe that most people don't read the fine print, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over what the fine print says in this instance. You do you though.

A far bigger deal to me is the fine print that says the game material is not associated with a particular game, player or event. What they call it in the fine print doesn't matter nearly as much as what's attached to the card. That said, I knew these weren't game used when I bought it, otherwise I'm sure they would've advertised it as being game used.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

More of an issue? Compared to what?

I'd say the biggest issue is customers who purchased this product thinking it was "Rookie Royalty" and instead they got "Panini Instant" cards.

I know if I paid $3,000 per box thinking that this was Rookie Royalty and not some last minute batch of Panini Instant cards, I'd be wanting a refund real fast.

PSA mis-labeling the cards as Rookie Royalty vs correctly labeling them as Panini Instant so that I could re-sale them at a higher value and continue the grift wouldn't make me feel any better. What PSA labels them is pretty much inconsequential. The cards are Panini Instant either way.

It’s rookie royalty regardless of what the fine print says. My point is if a slab read panini instant it would be viewed more harshly than the fine print on the card. It’s still a kaboom or downtown or whatever. Not worth getting triggered over especially when someone is trying to side with you. Thank goodness for block.


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[boxbuster7]

sorry to sound dumb but which cards in rookie royalty are panini instant?

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

sorry to sound dumb but which cards in rookie royalty are panini instant?

The fine print on the back for some reason says instant. To me it isn’t that big of a deal but some really dislike it.


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[boxbuster7]

on all the cards? or just some?

[KabirC]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

on all the cards? or just some?

All cards. It seems only one person in here has a problem with it and box prices are skyrocketing despite that "issue."

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by KabirC

All cards. It seems only one person in here has a problem with it and box prices are skyrocketing despite that "issue."

Crazy. Sell those sealed boxes and make your $$ while you can.

You can buy a nice CC (or a super nice Angel) with those profits.

Or you can even get a decent MJ auto.

[Chryghst]

Neutral here. Watched a 50 box break that looked awesome. There were legitimately 15-20 cards I wanted and you never see a 30-40% hit rate in modern product.

That said, the instant thing does bother me. I wish immaculate said immaculate and flawless said flawless. Also disappointed that flawless isn’t game worn and NT isn’t player worn. I know NT switched to non-associated in 20/21, but when you’re combining all these products into one during a player’s second season, I feel that’s enough time to get player worn/used. It would differentiate the different sets too. Also kind of disappointed they included elite autographs rather than extending the NT print run to /99 (base is /49 instead, I believe) to maintain the lineage from NBA NT. And I wish they did vertical patch autos in flawless, not just horizontal.

Except for these points genuinely really like the product and the cards look great. In a post-licensed world I would actually buy panini products like these for players I collected.

[Spacemanspif]

I did an analysis of the print run / expected value / hit rate before the drop so I could have an idea of what I wanted to spend and at what points I would feel ok ripping versus just flipping. So far the singles prices have far exceeded what I modeled out, which has fueled the gigantic leap in box prices, so I sold my boxes for a solid profit. If anyone is seriously interested in the data I can share it.

The cards look amazing. I really wanted to rip this product, understanding that they are not game-worn or whatever the brand in the fine print on the back says, but it's hard to turn down guaranteed money and not feel horrible when I end up with cards worth less than what I could have potentially sold them for. That said, I fully expect to see an amazing Clark auto pop up on the buyer's IG next week.

[boxbuster7]

how much are boxes selling for?

I am afraid to ask

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I did an analysis of the print run / expected value / hit rate before the drop so I could have an idea of what I wanted to spend and at what points I would feel ok ripping versus just flipping. So far the singles prices have far exceeded what I modeled out, which has fueled the gigantic leap in box prices, so I sold my boxes for a solid profit. If anyone is seriously interested in the data I can share it.

The cards look amazing. I really wanted to rip this product, understanding that they are not game-worn or whatever the brand in the fine print on the back says, but it's hard to turn down guaranteed money and not feel horrible when I end up with cards worth less than what I could have potentially sold them for. That said, I fully expect to see an amazing Clark auto pop up on the buyer's IG next week.

I did wonder what happens to the singles prices when all of these products hit the market at once. Typically there’s a phased release—NT, then a few months; Immac, then a few months; Flawless, then a few months. Because there’s so much fluff in those products and prices are so high, maybe 50% of the print run actually gets opened and enters the market. The break I watched had about 8 NT rpas, 5 immac rpas, 4 flawless rpas all enter the market at the exact same time. Because the hit rate is so high I think a much higher % of the overall product will be opened in a shorter time. Would think that applies downward pressure on singles prices. I made the decision to wait to buy anything I want, which is typically the right decision for new releases anyway, but I think especially so here unless I’m completely wrong with that framework of thinking.

[yoyosh]

So, what is THE CC rookie(not including high end/Royalty stuff)?
Silver Prizm #22?