✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 554

SupermanBrandon · 07-16-2023, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Sho looks so mad rn

Is it because he's employed by a dumpster fire of an organization?

Hellcat · 07-16-2023, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoMenkoMan

In my opinion, this is too myopic and seems like an outdated stance in this world of international sports. Lots of international leagues out there with great talent. Not discounting the value or the legitimacy of Ohtani's 2018 U.S. Rookie cards, but the fact is that he does have rookie cards from 2013 from Japan. In my opinion, the 2013 Japanese cards are his true rookies and Japanese rookies while his 2018 are his U.S. rookies. I think people get nervous that something that isn't his true rookie card will lose value. His U.S. rookies cards likely will always have more value and have higher demand than his true rookie.

All just my opinion.

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

Vdm2018 · 07-16-2023, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoMenkoMan

In my opinion, this is too myopic and seems like an outdated stance in this world of international sports. Lots of international leagues out there with great talent. Not discounting the value or the legitimacy of Ohtani's 2018 U.S. Rookie cards, but the fact is that he does have rookie cards from 2013 from Japan. In my opinion, the 2013 Japanese cards are his true rookies and Japanese rookies while his 2018 are his U.S. rookies. I think people get nervous that something that isn't his true rookie card will lose value. His U.S. rookies cards likely will always have more value and have higher demand than his true rookie.

All just my opinion.

Pumper.

Zauron · 07-16-2023, 10:25 PM

I think it's so funny the 2018 Chrome Update set, was mainly for Soto and his PSA 10 Pink's would fetch a good chunk of money, and raw was a decent price. I feel PSA 10's were what, $800 and raw's going for $200-$300 at the highest?

Now Ohtani's trump Soto's. I still find it interesting the rookie debut from that set sells for so much as similar to his main release offerings.

Trueblue · 07-16-2023, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

Nobody? He was just a national hero that the top teams in the world salivated over signing. My take above is in favor of the MLB over Japanese cards, but I can't align with this one lol

JRX · 07-16-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

I think it's so funny the 2018 Chrome Update set, was mainly for Soto and his PSA 10 Pink's would fetch a good chunk of money, and raw was a decent price. I feel PSA 10's were what, $800 and raw's going for $200-$300 at the highest?

Now Ohtani's trump Soto's. I still find it interesting the rookie debut from that set sells for so much as similar to his main release offerings.

It's his only topps hitting card. The usual rd rules don't apply.

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The_Reverend · 07-16-2023, 10:40 PM

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Sports card investor is a clown. I don't remember him mentioning ohtani very much in all the videos I've watched of his in the last few years. But I do remember him mentioning Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, and Fernando Tatis many times.

When I checked his app, the free version, when Ohtani was tearing it up, he was pumping baseball and football. He did not even have Ohtani cards I. The top 10.

boxbuster7 · 07-16-2023, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

It isn't that it is junk, but in my opinion a company like BBM just can't compete with the legacy that a company like topps has.

hammertime · 07-16-2023, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

Trueblue · 07-16-2023, 10:52 PM

You know what I can get behind as having tremendous allure, equivalent or better than the American version? Game used equipment. That stuff is ultra high demand regardless. Not culturally arguable like baseball cards.

Shadowsonic2004 · 07-17-2023, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

You know what I can get behind as having tremendous allure, equivalent or better than the American version? Game used equipment. That stuff is ultra high demand regardless. Not culturally arguable like baseball cards.

Just picked up a hit single game used baseball of his tonight. It will go next to the hit double ball of Trout I have.

SumoMenkoMan · 07-17-2023, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

Ouch...shows how little you know. Good for his Japanese collectors that you didn't know how to do your homework.

PLB9eight · 07-17-2023, 07:13 AM

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Ouch...shows how little you know. Good for his Japanese collectors that you didn't know how to do your homework.

Don’t sweat it. Put him on ignore and move on.

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jhssketchcards · 07-17-2023, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

He was a nobody until he did it in the Majors so his TRUE rookie cards are 2018. Stop pumping that pre-2018 junk.

Sweet. I can’t wait to pick up some true Messi rookie cards when the next Topps MLS sets come out since he’s finally playing professional soccer on America.

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Neal · 07-17-2023, 07:32 AM

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Sweet. I can’t wait to pick up some true Messi rookie cards when the next Topps MLS sets come out since he’s finally playing professional soccer on America.

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Lol

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SaltyCracker · 07-17-2023, 09:13 AM

Liked the image on this one so decided to grab a 10 pack with reward points. After seeing PR thought there was no shot at a parallel. Pleasantly surprised. /25

Qubits · 07-17-2023, 09:20 AM

That is a nice looking Ohtani. Grats!

ThoseBackPages · 07-17-2023, 09:37 AM

that is an awesome 1980s school pic Ohtani!!!

zworykin · 07-17-2023, 09:46 AM

Congrats!

I love the crap out of that card, even if it does throw the normal Now aesthetic out the window. My 20 are out for delivery today. Fingers crossed, but with a PR of 17,031, that's only a parallel per 189, so I won't hold my breath.

NCWolf · 07-17-2023, 10:06 AM

Someone help me out here...

If Ohtani were to get traded to the Dodgers in a week, will he win the NL MVP or the AL MVP? Or does he now not qualify for either? I don't know much of anything about this...

SupermanBrandon · 07-17-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

Someone help me out here...

If Ohtani were to get traded to the Dodgers in a week, will he win the NL MVP or the AL MVP? Or does he now not qualify for either? I don't know much of anything about this...

He will not win the NL

Hellcat · 07-17-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

He will not win the NL

Are you sure?! Not sure how the voters would view that. Ronnie is tearing it up good to see! Sorry guys I shouldn't have said "junk" but it's 2018 is all that matters in the US.

zworykin · 07-17-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

Someone help me out here...

If Ohtani were to get traded to the Dodgers in a week, will he win the NL MVP or the AL MVP? Or does he now not qualify for either? I don't know much of anything about this...

There is no "eligibility" or "qualification" rule. https://bbwaa.com/voting-faq/

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There seems to always be a debate about the definition of the MVP. What does the ballot say?

Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

4. Former winners are eligible.

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.

Bullets 4/5 are obviously not relevant to the discussion. Getting traded to the NL at this point there's no way he'd have time to catch up to Acuna, Carroll, or several others - counting only his time in the NL - on bullets 1 and 2. So yes, he could win the NL MVP, but it would basically require him to continue his current production AND all the current contenders (maybe the top 10?) to get caught up in a massive cheating scandal or something (i.e. bullet 3).

Voters deciding that he did more for the Angels before he left than anyone else did for their AL team by the end of the season is much more likely - but, as we've seen in the discussion already here, a lot of people consider a trade to the other league to be disqualifying no matter what the actual ballot says, so there are likely some voters who would have the same inexplicable idea. So even that would probably still be a longshot, no matter how well-deserved.

SupermanBrandon · 07-17-2023, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

Are you sure?! Not sure how the voters would view that. Ronnie is tearing it up good to see! Sorry guys I shouldn't have said "junk" but it's 2018 is all that matters in the US.

Hypothetical of course: lets say he's dealt on the deadline date. He would have the potential to play in approx. 55 Dodger games from the deadline thru the end of the season. He's not winning the NL based on games played alone. Especially against a guy that is on pace for a 40/70 (or whatever it is now) season while playing 162 games for the best team in baseball. Ohtani's voting criteria would be for the NL and the NL only. He has a much better shot at winning the AL.

BoSoxFan1999 · 07-17-2023, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

He will not win the NL

He would certainly garner votes, but most likely wouldn't win because of not enough games played (some voters would disqualify him from the ballot strictly due to that).

Manny Ramirez is the closest I can think of as far as a player that played at an MVP level the entire season but got traded mid-season.
In the 100 games he played for the Red Sox in 2008, he hit .299 with 20 HR and 68 RBI, then after getting traded to the Dodgers , hit .396 with 17 HR and 53 RBI in just 53 games. Combined for the season, he hit .332 with 37 HR and 121 RBI. Despite playing in only 53 games for the Dodgers, he finished 4th in MVP voting that year.

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Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,354	You know what I can get behind as having tremendous allure, equivalent or better than the American version? Game used equipment. That stuff is ultra high demand regardless. Not culturally arguable like baseball cards.

07-17-2023, 09:13 AM	#13841
SaltyCracker Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,472	Liked the image on this one so decided to grab a 10 pack with reward points. After seeing PR thought there was no shot at a parallel. Pleasantly surprised. /25

07-17-2023, 09:20 AM	#13842
Qubits Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 828	That is a nice looking Ohtani. Grats!

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zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,054 zworykin2	Congrats! I love the crap out of that card, even if it does throw the normal Now aesthetic out the window. My 20 are out for delivery today. Fingers crossed, but with a PR of 17,031, that's only a parallel per 189, so I won't hold my breath.

07-17-2023, 10:06 AM	#13845
NCWolf Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 3,447	Someone help me out here... If Ohtani were to get traded to the Dodgers in a week, will he win the NL MVP or the AL MVP? Or does he now not qualify for either? I don't know much of anything about this...