✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

For your own self respect and preservation, I hope you're trolling.

You guys take this stuff too personal. Seriously. It’s a game and we’re fans of it, and it’s players. I get the fandom and collector obsession, I’ve been there. But every time someone has an opinion you guys respond with these types of things like we hate Ohtani. I love what he’s doing and hope he does it 10 more years. But I’m also a realist and understand that players get hurt. He’s not super human. He’s had TJ before and that puts him at a higher risk of a second one. I don’t WANT that, but you can’t seriously believe Ohtanis prices will stay the same if he were just a hitter (a great one) and not a two way player. It’s just a comment. I hope his prices go to the moon this season for everyone who has his stuff.
I don’t wish any ill to the guy. Didn’t mean to offend the Ohtani fans.


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[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You guys take this stuff too personal. Seriously. It’s a game and we’re fans of it, and it’s players. I get the fandom and collector obsession, I’ve been there. But every time someone has an opinion you guys respond with these types of things like we hate Ohtani. I love what he’s doing and hope he does it 10 more years. But I’m also a realist and understand that players get hurt. He’s not super human. He’s had TJ before and that puts him at a higher risk of a second one. I don’t WANT that, but you can’t seriously believe Ohtanis prices will stay the same if he were just a hitter (a great one) and not a two way player. It’s just a comment. I hope his prices go to the moon this season for everyone who has his stuff.
I don’t wish any ill to the guy. Didn’t mean to offend the Ohtani fans.


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You can go ahead and play that back pedal card, but your post is the equivalent of going into an Acuna thread and saying "Man, if Acuna broke his ankle stealing a base, his career would really dump. He's an okay player, but not the best hitter so it would really hurt his chances at a legacy without his speed."

It's not about people being sensitive, your comment is just unnecessary and has zero context to the current state of the player. Hope this helps you understand.

[Ziggy]

Originally Posted by StateEx

The Onion for the win.

https://www.theonion.com/angels-gm-o...-mo-1850661162

Thanks for sharing, that was a quality Onion article.

[Trueblue]

Made some great purchases today on an off day. I guess it's not all bad when Sho doesn't play. Excited to be at the game tomorrow but it's going to be hot so the long ball risk (on the Pitching side) makes me a little nervous.

[Erick]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Ohtani collectors better hope he never has TJS again. At his age, after a second one, his pitching is likely done. If that happens, and he’s just a hitter, not sure if he’s sniffing many other MVPs. I Joe that doesn’t happen for sure, but it is a possibility.


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Do you think Ohtani is a better pitcher or hitter?

Take away his pitching this year. Do you think he would still be the favorite to win MVP at this point?

[CCPdro]

Absolutely

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by Erick

Do you think Ohtani is a better pitcher or hitter?

Take away his pitching this year. Do you think he would still be the favorite to win MVP at this point?

Yes. Isn’t that insane?

[BambinoShuffle]

Hypothetical injury discussion while a player is healthy… awesome content.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You guys take this stuff too personal. Seriously. It’s a game and we’re fans of it, and it’s players. I get the fandom and collector obsession, I’ve been there. But every time someone has an opinion you guys respond with these types of things like we hate Ohtani. I love what he’s doing and hope he does it 10 more years. But I’m also a realist and understand that players get hurt. He’s not super human. He’s had TJ before and that puts him at a higher risk of a second one. I don’t WANT that, but you can’t seriously believe Ohtanis prices will stay the same if he were just a hitter (a great one) and not a two way player. It’s just a comment. I hope his prices go to the moon this season for everyone who has his stuff.
I don’t wish any ill to the guy. Didn’t mean to offend the Ohtani fans.
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Methinks the awful poster doth protest too much.

This didn't eclipse some of your previous bad takes but it is 100% the most petty thing you've posted so well done, I guess.

[punctilious]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Made some great purchases today on an off day. I guess it's not all bad when Sho doesn't play. Excited to be at the game tomorrow but it's going to be hot so the long ball risk (on the Pitching side) makes me a little nervous.

See ya there!

[hammertime]

Have fun at the game! I'm trying to convince my wife to drive up from SD tomorrow night, but we have an 8AM flight back to VA on Saturday morning (from SD) so I think it's a losing battle.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by davidfletcher

by this argument, the best team in baseball would be 13 Tyler Wade’s and 13 Zack Greinke’s, because there’s no risk when anybody gets hurt! Because they all already stink! your point is dumb, please just shut up and appreciate shohei’s greatness.

I love a good Internet bully with 5 posts. What's your real username on here that you don't want to get banned? or are you just a trolling PBM?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Erick

Do you think Ohtani is a better pitcher or hitter?

Take away his pitching this year. Do you think he would still be the favorite to win MVP at this point?

Yes, he is the best hitter in the AL so far this year and is chasing the AL HR Record. No one on an actual playoff contender is outhitting him, carrying their team to make the playoffs, or chasing a record.

But, I'm always accused of hating Ohtani.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Thanks for sharing, that was a quality Onion article.

They were spot on in 2018 also
https://www.theonion.com/shohei-ohta...ere-1828835846

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

Methinks the awful poster doth protest too much.

This didn't eclipse some of your previous bad takes but it is 100% the most petty thing you've posted so well done, I guess.

I mean he's dead on the opinions aspect. Anytime someone defends Judge winning over Ohtani last year, they are automatically deemed Judgeheads, asked how Judge pitched, etc. You all act just like the issues in politics right now. If you disagree with something, you are automatically labeled a hater. I guess all of the writers who voted Judge over Ohtani were haters last year too, even though probably the majority of them are the same writers who voted him MVP in 2021 and will again this year.

I explained in all of these arguments last year about the MVP race, that I love what Ohtani is doing and he is exciting for baseball. Judge just had an incredible, historic season carrying a struggling team to the playoffs. I'd rather see him off that dump of a team and on the East Coast somewhere so we all can watch more of him. But I'm a hater because I'm realistic about him not getting the MVP last year, not getting it every year because he hits and pitches, and the fact that at some point, he's going to be like every other baseball player in history and not be able to keep up playing both positions at his current ability due to age issues.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I love a good Internet bully with 5 posts. What's your real username on here that you don't want to get banned? or are you just a trolling PBM?

At one point in time you had 5 posts as well.


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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

At one point in time you had 5 posts as well.


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Obviously you didn't bother to take a look at join date before positing this.

The poster as been a member of this board since December 2020.

[was1two]

Got these back today. What does everyone think about the Bowman Chrome going forward. When I sent this in a few weeks ago 10s were in the $750 range now around $1200.

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[Erick]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

Yes. Isn’t that insane?

I know the guy I originally quoted won’t answer, but to me it isn’t insane at all. Ohtani really IS that good. I only asked him that because his injury post made absolutely no sense. He brought up him being injured and not being able to pitch like his pitching was the only reason he was going to win MVP this year.

That post was way out of left field and pointless. He can, and would, win MVP with his hitting skills alone. He is legitimately that great.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by Erick

I know the guy I originally quoted won’t answer, but to me it isn’t insane at all. Ohtani really IS that good. I only asked him that because his injury post made absolutely no sense. He brought up him being injured and not being able to pitch like his pitching was the only reason he was going to win MVP this year.

That post was way out of left field and pointless. He can, and would, win MVP with his hitting skills alone. He is legitimately that great.

His bOWAR is 1st in AL (2nd in MLB behind Acuna) at 4.5. Next closest AL player is Bichette at 3.8.
Thats a bit skewed though since it doesn't take in to account defense, which benefits Ohtani as a DH. He's 2nd in AL in bWAR among position players behind Luis Robert, 4.5 v 4.4. Franco and Seager are at 4.3.
Its a fun hypothetical - if he gave up pitching, would he hypothetically be playing in the OF? Or would he stay a DH? His hitting skills are awesome, this year especially, but MVP voters don't historically like DHs.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by was1two

Got these back today. What does everyone think about the Bowman Chrome going forward. When I sent this in a few weeks ago 10s were in the $750 range now around $1200.

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The BC is not an easy hit, but it will continue to see the population report increase. It currently has a pop report of 3117 of 4990 which is a 62% gem rate. The wax will keep those prices up, because not many people are willing to risk that kind of money, even on possibly hitting an auto. Not that you can, but selling and moving into a nice numbered RC would be a better choice.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by was1two

Got these back today. What does everyone think about the Bowman Chrome going forward. When I sent this in a few weeks ago 10s were in the $750 range now around $1200.

Actually I am more interested in the one on the left. I have 3 of those and wouldn't mind adding another to my stash

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

His bOWAR is 1st in AL (2nd in MLB behind Acuna) at 4.5. Next closest AL player is Bichette at 3.8.
Thats a bit skewed though since it doesn't take in to account defense, which benefits Ohtani as a DH. He's 2nd in AL in bWAR among position players behind Luis Robert, 4.5 v 4.4. Franco and Seager are at 4.3.
Its a fun hypothetical - if he gave up pitching, would he hypothetically be playing in the OF? Or would he stay a DH? His hitting skills are awesome, this year especially, but MVP voters don't historically like DHs.

How does Ohtani DHing benefit his BWAR? He gets dinged by like half a a WAR so far this season and average shortstop and center fielders get a nice boost. IMO Shohei would be playing right field if he wasn't pitching and would be a darn good RF, so would get a nice bump in BWAR.

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[Tim]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

The wax will keep those prices up, because not many people are willing to risk that kind of money, even on possibly hitting an auto.

Well there's no ohtani autograph in the wax at this point anyway.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by redauto5

How does Ohtani DHing benefit his BWAR? He gets dinged by like half a a WAR so far this season and average shortstop and center fielders get a nice boost. IMO Shohei would be playing right field if he wasn't pitching and would be a darn good RF, so would get a nice bump in BWAR.

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It only benefits his bOWAR - the offense only WAR. Those were the first figures I provided, bOWAR.
His straight bWAR does ding him (and bumps Robert, Franco, and Seager).