2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

He said jobs instead of lives, big deal. Pretty sure people know what he meant.

Every time he opens his mouth he screws something up. And people want him running this country.

***queue the deflections***

[pac213up]

Will Trump pony up or are they bluffing?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...170216256.html

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I agree it won't be but not because it shouldnt be.

Sped up the inevitable death of businesses, sure. Many businesses, IE the Sears and Kmarts of the world were going to go out regardless in time. They also provide employment in the here and now, before future innovations and businesses open. This is why were marching straight off a cliff into a recessions like none of us have ever seen.

...

The Sears and Kmarts of the country...most of those businesses had drastically cut staffing over the last decade to assist with the absolute financial bloodbath that they've been drowning in. Not to belittle those job losses, just noting that they weren't the employers that they were 20 years ago.

Much like 2008, there will be a slew of businesses blaming Covid-19 for closure, bankruptcy etc...but there's more to every story. Just like a person in hospice care dying of Covid-19, cash-strapped businesses that were overextended and poorly executed will appear to be victims of Covid-19.

I think one of the things that is clearly magnified is the fact that the economy wasn't really as "roaring" as the grossly inflated stock market seemed to indicate.

Regardless of response times, shutdown lengths, republicans or democrats, etc...we're not close to the bottom, not close. Covid-19 has exposed a lot already and will continue to do so.

Nobody wants to speed up death, but Covid-19 has done just that.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Every time he opens his mouth he screws something up. And people want him running this country.

***queue the deflections***

I sure as heck don't want him in charge of anything, but the constant nitpicking over a missed word seems petty. Imagine if social media was as prevalent during W's days.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Onions

It's almost as if we are wasting billions every year on the CDC, NIH, WHO, etc.

Too bad we needed a pandemic to find out just how poorly they were prepared.

I'm sure the solution is to just throw more and more money at them. That has worked well with education, the war on drugs, etc.

[hairysasquatch]

Well that didn't last very long....

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by discostu

The Sears and Kmarts of the country...most of those businesses had drastically cut staffing over the last decade to assist with the absolute financial bloodbath that they've been drowning in. Not to belittle those job losses, just noting that they weren't the employers that they were 20 years ago.

Much like 2008, there will be a slew of businesses blaming Covid-19 for closure, bankruptcy etc...but there's more to every story. Just like a person in hospice care dying of Covid-19, cash-strapped businesses that were overextended and poorly executed will appear to be victims of Covid-19.

I think one of the things that is clearly magnified is the fact that the economy wasn't really as "roaring" as the grossly inflated stock market seemed to indicate.

Regardless of response times, shutdown lengths, republicans or democrats, etc...we're not close to the bottom, not close. Covid-19 has exposed a lot already and will continue to do so.

Nobody wants to speed up death, but Covid-19 has done just that.

By default of your statement you are minimizing those jobs. I used Sears and Kmart as the extreme. But several what I call 'Mall headliner' stores are going to go belly up. These stores have mostly been managing small profits and staying afloat, due to ecommerce...as we all know.

That said they employ full staffs.

I see just sitting here thinking out loud the following companies struggling to stay open....

Neiman Marcus
JC Penny
Kohls
Abercrombie
Aeropostal
Ann Taylor
Banana Republic
Brooks Brothers
Express
Finish Line
H&M
Journeys
Lane Bryant
Lord and Taylor
Nordstrom Rack
Steve Madden
Wilson Leathers

And that is like tip of the iceberg off the top of my head, start adding these places together.....its trouble and even more depressing for declining malls.

Before we can move forward as a country I feel the following need to be accepted as truths.

Covid-19 is really bad for at risk people. We need to do a better job protecting them.
Covid-19 is really bad for the economy as is, if we push the current lockdown much further we are going to have a really bad situation, for a really long time. Stuff to the degree we can't speak too, because no one alive has experienced it.
Covid-19 has a very low casualty and severity rate among healthy people.

There are truths to this virus, and things we can work around to provide a safe life to those at risk, while keeping our economy whole.

Unfortunately we have too many people who are 'all or nothing' on both sides of the argument and most of them are card collectors or politicians.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

The Founding Fathers clearly were not perfect...I mean, they didn't even mention state issued driver's licenses in any document.

Not once.

Powdered wig wearing idiots.

Or the internet.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Sure the debt clock is spinning for us, as you said it has been for 40 years, but in 3 months we have spun that forward 10 years, or 25%.....again in 3 months.

Couldn't pay it off before.
At least now we have a good excuse.

Originally Posted by discostu

The Founding Fathers clearly were not perfect...I mean, they didn't even mention state issued driver's licenses in any document.

Not once.

Powdered wig wearing idiots.

Yup, and those wigs were crawling with lice and I heard Washington's teeth had termites. Plus, their tans were lousy.

[Soxfanguy]

Prickzter uncle got into a lawsuit with Trump back in the day so it makes sense why he never wants to reopen


https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/29/b...es-public.html

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Couldn't pay it off before.
At least now we have a good excuse.



Yup, and those wigs were crawling with lice and I heard Washington's teeth had termites. Plus, their tans were lousy.

Wow, these are well beneath your normal standards. Do better on the snark. Your side needs you. We had a nice moment this morning, though....

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Prickzter uncle got into a lawsuit with Trump back in the day so it makes sense why he never wants to reopen


https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/29/b...es-public.html

I'm really impressed with the mayor of Chicago. Not.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I'm really impressed with the mayor of Chicago. Not.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Borat - How about a joke on my mother in law?

Guy - Yeah, that'd be great. Those are very popular here in America.

Borat - I had sexy time with my mother in law!

Guy - ....

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Wow, these are well beneath your normal standards. Do better on the snark. Your side needs you. We had a nice moment this morning, though....

They're ballpark for me, more or less, but I have no "side", per se.

[free2131]

So, Trump didn't know how serious the threat was because no one either told him or they also didn't believe the threat was serious. For the sake of argument, I will take that at face value.

If that is true, then people who give him credit for banning travel to China should agree that it had nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with the trade deal/his own interests. Right?

[TheHeel]

Black light experiment shows how quickly a virus like Covid-19 can spread at a restaurant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/healt...ess/index.html

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Black light experiment shows how quickly a virus like Covid-19 can spread at a buffet on a cruise ship

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/healt...ess/index.html

Fixed it for you

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Black light experiment shows how quickly a virus like Covid-19 can spread at a restaurant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/healt...ess/index.html

Also

“NHK also did a second experiment where the simulated environment anticipated contamination and put in the necessary precautions. All of the participants, including the "infected" person, washed their hands before and during eating.
Frequently touched surfaces, such as serving utensils, were replaced or wiped down. When the participants went under the black light, none of the substance from the "infected" person had spread to the other participants.”

If people wash their hands and surfaces are cleaned, it’s fine

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Black light experiment shows how quickly a virus like Covid-19 can spread at a restaurant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/healt...ess/index.html

Good. This will be over was 55% of the population has gotten the virus. Herd immunity.

40% to go. Let's get it done.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Good. This will be over was 55% of the population has gotten the virus. Herd immunity.

40% to go. Let's get it done.

Early Herd Immunity against COVID-19: A Dangerous Misconception

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our...-misconception

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Early Herd Immunity against COVID-19: A Dangerous Misconception

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our...-misconception

What is the other way.. ?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Also

“NHK also did a second experiment where the simulated environment anticipated contamination and put in the necessary precautions. All of the participants, including the "infected" person, washed their hands before and during eating.
Frequently touched surfaces, such as serving utensils, were replaced or wiped down. When the participants went under the black light, none of the substance from the "infected" person had spread to the other participants.”

If people wash their hands and surfaces are cleaned, it’s fine

You basically edited to state the same article title as I posted.

[jdandns]

Howard Stern:
“The oddity in all of this is the people Trump despises most, love him the most. The people who are voting for Trump for the most part, he wouldn’t even let them in a ... hotel. He’d be disgusted by them. Go to Mar-a-Lago, see if there’s any people who look like you. I’m talking to you in the audience.”

Can I get a Baba Booey?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Howard Stern:
“The oddity in all of this is the people Trump despises most, love him the most. The people who are voting for Trump for the most part, he wouldn’t even let them in a ... hotel. He’d be disgusted by them. Go to Mar-a-Lago, see if there’s any people who look like you. I’m talking to you in the audience.”

Can I get a Baba Booey?

The strict doing of wanting to connect a voter to the candidate's personal life is kind of tone def, is it not? How many people voting for Biden are going to be spending time with him in the future? If you voted for Hillary, does that mean she likes you, jdandns, personally?