2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Untrue, we've done this dance before.



We both know an epic trove of all-new utterly embarrassing verified Trump words and deeds could be quickly assembled, and you'd again just say something like, "You know what? It's all true. Trump's the worst, but I personally benefit from his actions, so it's all good."



I feel like I can benefit in life without gleefully enabling someone like Donald Trump to act in the awful way he does. Do you even think about the kids seeing this? That alone is reason for this character to straighten up. Please think about the children.

What? Is there a Trump video game now?
By the way, still waiting for that list of presidents who never paid taxes.

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Untrue, we've done this dance before.

We both know an epic trove of all-new utterly embarrassing verified Trump words and deeds could be quickly assembled, and you'd again just say something like, "You know what? It's all true. Trump's the worst, but I personally benefit from his actions, so it's all good."

I feel like I can benefit in life without gleefully enabling someone like Donald Trump to act in the awful way he does. Do you even think about the kids seeing this? That alone is reason for this character to straighten up. Please think about the children.

We know you're triggered when you type like that.

[Siberian13]

I'm surprised you guys get so emotional over this stuff. You can't change anyone's opinion and crying/complaining over it is a waste of time.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I'm surprised you guys get so emotional over this stuff. You can't change anyone's opinion and crying/complaining over it is a waste of time.

It fills the competitive void. Especially now with no sports.

[Astros19]

It's like a semi-adult version of the Cartoon Network.

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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

It fills the competitive void. Especially now with no sports.

Competitive? No one wins. You all lose. It's like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Competitive? No one wins. You all lose. It's like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.

Damn you forum rules..

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Competitive? No one wins. You all lose. It's like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.

Not true. Those looking for another reason for gun law reform win.

[quackhead]

Is Kim Jong Un confirmed dead? Hoping Rodman takes over as dictator and makes Pearl Jam's Hail Hail the new national anthem.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by discostu

Debates between rival parties are meaningless for the majority. No amount of substance can swing one side to the other.

So again, Biden beats Trump with his crowd, Trump beats Biden with his crowd.

Will the borderline 10% be swayed by Biden or Trump? Who knows.

Honestly do not understand the point of debates anymore. At one time they made sense but with technology today and the ability of candidates to get their message out, seems like a useless waste of time now.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Honestly do not understand the point of debates anymore. At one time they made sense but with technology today and the ability of candidates to get their message out, seems like a useless waste of time now.

Biden completely agrees with you.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Honestly do not understand the point of debates anymore. At one time they made sense but with technology today and the ability of candidates to get their message out, seems like a useless waste of time now.

For the most part, debate moderators feel empowered and like the control. They have great influence on the types of questions asked as well as agenda promotion via their "questions".

[rcmb3220]

Your daily reminder about the only issue that matters.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

[natbornkiller]

hey lets have mail in ballots
someone just knocked at my door with meals on wheels food for my grandma that died a about 5 years ago

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Your daily reminder about the only issue that matters.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Your daily reminder that no one really cares

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Examples? Can you tell me the things Trump does that we should be up in arms about?

Personally, I believe his actions are top notch. The delivery is typically terrible but I have nothing but 5 stars for this guy as it relates to policy. Seriously.

Trump pulling us out of the TPP will hurt the US long-term.

We had a seat at the table and now we don't. When you're talking about 40% of the worlds GDP, that sucks. China is now free to negotiate and become the power broker in that region and control trade.

What does this do long-term to the US? Raises prices on the consumer and gives the US less bargaining power in trade in a region that is growing by leaps and bounds.

The problem with Trump is his diplomacy game is severely lacking. Trump has enacted isolationist policies that only hurt the US at this point in time. I know people abhor globalization, but there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Rather than run away and not lead the charge, the US under this administration has basically said it wants no part in what the 21st century is going to look like. It's an absolutely abysmal stance to take, as the world just keeps going on without the US. Other countries will and have already stepped up, and now the US is looking from the outside in.

Forget just the financial costs, which can be argued in circles. What can't be argued is the US has less leverage globally when it comes to geopolitical trade deals. The power/leverage the US had was worth more than whatever someone would spin as "costing the US money".

It's this lack of diplomacy in a President that will set the US back for a while, as at this juncture it seems as if a lot of burgeoning countries have shut the US out and moved on.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Your daily reminder that no one really cares

Can you remind me to post my daily reminder tomorrow?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Examples? Can you tell me the things Trump does that we should be up in arms about?

Personally, I believe his actions are top notch. The delivery is typically terrible but I have nothing but 5 stars for this guy as it relates to policy. Seriously.

He said he will drain the swamp. He drained it and filled it back up with toxic waste.
He will never have time to play golf. He has wasted over 100 million in 3.5 years (and that includes not being able to play for the last few months)
The Wall - What wall?
ObamaCare
Cutting Medicare and Social Security

So, yeah, he doesn't get his policy (small and large) executed.

Originally Posted by Astros19

What's the matter, my reality socialism comment hit a little too close to home?
Funny thing is, my comment wasn't intended to be dramatic, it was base on nothing but comedy.
You must struggle to tell the difference. Let me help you out, your posts are strictly comedy.

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It was very dramatic. I asked for a summary of the 50 page report. You shot back with that reality socialism quip. Really? Because I asked for a summary?

I can picture you fainting it was so dramatic.
Socialism and asking for a summary.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Trump pulling us out of the TPP will hurt the US long-term.

We had a seat at the table and now we don't. When you're talking about 40% of the worlds GDP, that sucks. China is now free to negotiate and become the power broker in that region and control trade.

What does this do long-term to the US? Raises prices on the consumer and gives the US less bargaining power in trade in a region that is growing by leaps and bounds.

The problem with Trump is his diplomacy game is severely lacking. Trump has enacted isolationist policies that only hurt the US at this point in time. I know people abhor globalization, but there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Rather than run away and not lead the charge, the US under this administration has basically said it wants no part in what the 21st century is going to look like. It's an absolutely abysmal stance to take, as the world just keeps going on without the US. Other countries will and have already stepped up, and now the US is looking from the outside in.

Forget just the financial costs, which can be argued in circles. What can't be argued is the US has less leverage globally when it comes to geopolitical trade deals. The power/leverage the US had was worth more than whatever someone would spin as "costing the US money".

It's this lack of diplomacy in a President that will set the US back for a while, as at this juncture it seems as if a lot of burgeoning countries have shut the US out and moved on.

Foreign companies can’t just replace the American consumer and sell to someone else. Without access to the US market, foreign companies will manufacture less, create fewer jobs, etc.

Access to the US consumer is the ultimate leverage.

[TheHeel]

POTUS 1-44s' Swamps > POTUS 45's Toxic Waste Dump

Removed watchdog was looking into whether Pompeo made staffer perform personal errands: reports

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...taffer-perform

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Trump pulling us out of the TPP will hurt the US long-term.

We had a seat at the table and now we don't. When you're talking about 40% of the worlds GDP, that sucks. China is now free to negotiate and become the power broker in that region and control trade.

What does this do long-term to the US? Raises prices on the consumer and gives the US less bargaining power in trade in a region that is growing by leaps and bounds.

The problem with Trump is his diplomacy game is severely lacking. Trump has enacted isolationist policies that only hurt the US at this point in time. I know people abhor globalization, but there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Rather than run away and not lead the charge, the US under this administration has basically said it wants no part in what the 21st century is going to look like. It's an absolutely abysmal stance to take, as the world just keeps going on without the US. Other countries will and have already stepped up, and now the US is looking from the outside in.

Forget just the financial costs, which can be argued in circles. What can't be argued is the US has less leverage globally when it comes to geopolitical trade deals. The power/leverage the US had was worth more than whatever someone would spin as "costing the US money".

It's this lack of diplomacy in a President that will set the US back for a while, as at this juncture it seems as if a lot of burgeoning countries have shut the US out and moved on.

I’ll make it simpler. Trump is wrong on deficit spending and tariffs.

He also seems to want to spend limitless money in securing the border without doing a cost benefit analysis. If you are pro-closed borders, there are cheaper and more effective ways than building a wall.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Can you remind me to post my daily reminder tomorrow?

Of course I won’t

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Foreign companies can’t just replace the American consumer and sell to someone else. Without access to the US market, foreign companies will manufacture less, create fewer jobs, etc.

Access to the US consumer is the ultimate leverage.

Not talking about the monetary value trade. What's lost in soybean exports will be made up for elsewhere. Those talks could be argued for the rest of time.

Strictly talking about the US position as a global leader in regards to trade and driving policy in other regions of the world.

The US economy will be fine regardless. The US diplomatic arm is what is hurting, and isolating the US in that regard will hurt.

Other countries are bolstering their economies (namely Southeast Asia). In 50 years what does that look like? They continue to grow, and now have a large consumer base to absorb some of the American marketplace. Europe is growing. They can absorb some of that as well.

So when these other countries grow and can take market share and become less reliant on the US as consumers, AND the US has no say in how to negotiate on their behalf going forward, the US can essentially be left out of talks. That sucks and is a huge blow moving forward in the 21st century.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I’ll make it simpler. Trump is wrong on deficit spending and tariffs.

He also seems to want to spend limitless money in securing the border without doing a cost benefit analysis. If you are pro-closed borders, there are cheaper and more effective ways than building a wall.

Yeah for sure. But again Trumps economic policies benefit in places and restrict in others. Same as any administration. The economy rolls on regardless of policies and/or administrations.

It's the diplomatic relations that have been set back that will hurt this country moving forward. Not having a seat at the table in regards to trade in Southeast Asia and in essence 40% of the world economy, when previously the US was at the HEAD of the damn table, is going to be a large blow to our Country as a whole.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not talking about the monetary value trade. What's lost in soybean exports will be made up for elsewhere. Those talks could be argued for the rest of time.

Strictly talking about the US position as a global leader in regards to trade and driving policy in other regions of the world.

The US economy will be fine regardless. The US diplomatic arm is what is hurting, and isolating the US in that regard will hurt.

Other countries are bolstering their economies (namely Southeast Asia). In 50 years what does that look like? They continue to grow, and now have a large consumer base to absorb some of the American marketplace. Europe is growing. They can absorb some of that as well.

So when these other countries grow and can take market share and become less reliant on the US as consumers, AND the US has no say in how to negotiate on their behalf going forward, the US can essentially be left out of talks. That sucks and is a huge blow moving forward in the 21st century.

The explosive Chinese growth was because of the American consumer, it is a mistake to believe that will continue. The global supply chain is getting remade as we speak. The USMCA has eliminated the loophole where Chines manufactures could sell parts to Canada and Mexico to assemble and package them, then get them into the USA via NAFTA.

Decreased regulations and tariffs, along with an increasingly authoritarian government in China, has made it much more attractive for companies to locate manufacturing in North America. The 12 billion chip plant in Arizona is a great example. At this point it is clear that China is our greatest global adversary and we should never return to a global supply chain that is so dependent on them.

Say what you want about Trump, but he understood the problem and has been working to change the global supply chain his entire Presidency.