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Old 11-04-2022, 11:36 PM   #14851
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Hey @EBCollectibles - who do you like to win the NFC South?

He doesn’t think any team will win it, this will be the first year where an entire division is skipped from the playoffs
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Old 11-05-2022, 07:27 AM   #14852
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A card question i have been thinking about for awhile. I thi think bradys lowest numbered non parallel rookies are: private stock (278), revolution (300), LL (350), omega (500).

Brady was a low low draft pick and as i remember, no one was really collecting him in 2000, and i lived in NE. how many of those low numbered base rookies do you think still exist? I am sure some were put in monster boxes with other commons and eventually thrown out. I am sure some were ruined by kids playing with them. Some have been lost by fire/flood.

Do you think 90% remain? 75%? No one will ever really know, but i would bet a lot there are not 278 private stock rookies remaining. I would imagine most of the auto rookies remain, as most people wouldnt toss those, probably refractor rookie in the same boat. Those base ones though, i bet quite a few of those are lost to time

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Old 11-05-2022, 11:11 AM   #14853
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A card question i have been thinking about for awhile. I thi think bradys lowest numbered non parallel rookies are: private stock (278), revolution (300), LL (350), omega (500).

Brady was a low low draft pick and as i remember, no one was really collecting him in 2000, and i lived in NE. how many of those low numbered base rookies do you think still exist? I am sure some were put in monster boxes with other commons and eventually thrown out. I am sure some were ruined by kids playing with them. Some have been lost by fire/flood.

Do you think 90% remain? 75%? No one will ever really know, but i would bet a lot there are not 278 private stock rookies remaining. I would imagine most of the auto rookies remain, as most people wouldnt toss those, probably refractor rookie in the same boat. Those base ones though, i bet quite a few of those are lost to time

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I always believed the retail Private Stock /650 was the base for that set and the 278 was an insert. No way to tell for certain how many remain of each of his numbered and unnumbered rookies remain as he didn’t start his rookie year and really wasn’t on anyone’s radar. In my personal opinion the ROY Bowman promo card which only has around 250 copies would have been the one most tossed away because Brady was no where near being a rookie of the year candidate.
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Old 11-05-2022, 11:49 AM   #14854
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I’ve always thought about that, and there’s apparently no clear answer except time

At what point does true rarity factor in?

If you look at say the SP Authentic, it’s always for sale, 1250 were made

The brand being the biggest reason, it being a “nicer” one. It’s not signed/no patriots uniform


Then look at say the Pacific Aurora, his arguably third cheapest card, not expensive at all. A PSA 10 is probably $750 or so

What about the Pacific Aurora Premiere Date? One of the cheapest cards has one of the lowest numbered parallels, only 85 were made

Obviously hard to find, but almost everyone will say the SP Authentic is “better”

You’d think anything almost impossible to find would automatically be worth a ton

There are a just a few parallels out there /100 or less. However many there are, that’s it. Quantum Leaf parallels, Paramount Parallels and just a few others

Value wise, it seems like true rarity will see more of an increase since it’s not really looked at so much now


Instead of the card being looked at first, maybe in the future the number will be brought up first more often than now, as far as why the value is high

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Old 11-05-2022, 12:08 PM   #14855
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Value wise, it seems like true rarity will see more of an increase since it’s not really looked at so much now


Instead of the card being looked at first, maybe in the future the number will be brought up first more often than now, as far as why the value is high
One day a generation will be born immune to marketing, there will be no better yet higher print run cards and the value of that which is truly rare or unique will rise from the ashes an...d no no sorry don't see that happening. People are brainwashed, they brainwash the next and so on. If that cycle is ever broken than humanity as we know it no longer exists.
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Old 11-05-2022, 12:13 PM   #14856
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I always believed the retail Private Stock /650 was the base for that set and the 278 was an insert. No way to tell for certain how many remain of each of his numbered and unnumbered rookies remain as he didn’t start his rookie year and really wasn’t on anyone’s radar. In my personal opinion the ROY Bowman promo card which only has around 250 copies would have been the one most tossed away because Brady was no where near being a rookie of the year candidate.
That is a fantastic point about the bowman ROY. I hadnt considered it. I bet there are no more than half of those remaining. It would be an easy card to toss, as the back is just entry info and not a traditional back.

I believe the private stock hobby/retail have traditionally been considered seperate sets. Even according to Becket whatever that is worth. The hobby does have parallel versions though.
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Old 11-05-2022, 12:17 PM   #14857
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I’ve always thought about that, and there’s apparently no clear answer except time

At what point does true rarity factor in?

If you look at say the SP Authentic, it’s always for sale, 1250 were made

The brand being the biggest reason, it being a “nicer” one. It’s not signed/no patriots uniform




Then look at say the Pacific Aurora, his arguably third cheapest card, not expensive at all. A PSA 10 is probably $750 or so

What about the Pacific Aurora Premiere Date? One of the cheapest cards has one of the lowest numbered parallels, only 85 were made

Obviously hard to find, but almost everyone will say the SP Authentic is “better”

You’d think anything almost impossible to find would automatically be worth a ton

There are a just a few parallels out there /100 or less. However many there are, that’s it. Quantum Leaf parallels, Paramount Parallels and just a few others

Value wise, it seems like true rarity will see more of an increase since it’s not really looked at so much now


Instead of the card being looked at first, maybe in the future the number will be brought up first more often than now, as far as why the value is high

I have always been in the true rarity camp and really dont care much about pop reports and conditional rarities. Especially with the proliferation of trimming. I think if there ever becomes a way to truly detect trimming, there will be a lot of upset hobbyists as there is probably many many trimmed cards already in slabs.

I have often thought all the pacific parallels to be underappreciated.
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Old 11-05-2022, 12:22 PM   #14858
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He doesn’t think any team will win it, this will be the first year where an entire division is skipped from the playoffs
He’s playing eenie meanie miney mo to figure out his answer but somehow keeps losing
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Old 11-05-2022, 12:52 PM   #14859
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That is a fantastic point about the bowman ROY. I hadnt considered it. I bet there are no more than half of those remaining. It would be an easy card to toss, as the back is just entry info and not a traditional back.

I believe the private stock hobby/retail have traditionally been considered seperate sets. Even according to Becket whatever that is worth. The hobby does have parallel versions though.


Probably not viewed that much different. It’s not like all of his cards were kept because they DIDN’T have “ROY” on them. Probably easier to keep since it’s at least Pats uniform

Anything that was super low to begin with is obviously hard to find now

Just as one card example. Quantum Leaf

Infinity purple /15 and Infinity red /35

Basically no one owns those cards


If someone says they do, then basically no one else has them lol obviously strictly because of the low numbers
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Old 11-05-2022, 11:30 PM   #14860
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Another person selling off his collection in the PWCC Premier.

Two more Championship Tickets, two Showcase /250, two Bowman Chrome Refractors, Super Bowl MVP Auto, etc. Ton of nice Mahomes too. Should be interesting.
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:28 AM   #14861
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I’ve always thought about that, and there’s apparently no clear answer except time

At what point does true rarity factor in?

If you look at say the SP Authentic, it’s always for sale, 1250 were made

The brand being the biggest reason, it being a “nicer” one. It’s not signed/no patriots uniform


Then look at say the Pacific Aurora, his arguably third cheapest card, not expensive at all. A PSA 10 is probably $750 or so

What about the Pacific Aurora Premiere Date? One of the cheapest cards has one of the lowest numbered parallels, only 85 were made

Obviously hard to find, but almost everyone will say the SP Authentic is “better”

You’d think anything almost impossible to find would automatically be worth a ton

There are a just a few parallels out there /100 or less. However many there are, that’s it. Quantum Leaf parallels, Paramount Parallels and just a few others

Value wise, it seems like true rarity will see more of an increase since it’s not really looked at so much now


Instead of the card being looked at first, maybe in the future the number will be brought up first more often than now, as far as why the value is high
most of the Pacific rookie cards from Brady were from the Senior Bowl game, so it isn't very eye appealing compared to the SPA that you mentioned.

i have his Revolutions rookie, it's only numbered to 350 i believe, it's a beautiful rookie, but is about 1/10th the value of the SPA rookie from what i remember a few years back. while the SPA was around $15-20K, the Revolutions was around $3K. i think that Senior Bowl photo had a lot to do with it.
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:49 AM   #14862
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most of the Pacific rookie cards from Brady were from the Senior Bowl game, so it isn't very eye appealing compared to the SPA that you mentioned.

i have his Revolutions rookie, it's only numbered to 350 i believe, it's a beautiful rookie, but is about 1/10th the value of the SPA rookie from what i remember a few years back. while the SPA was around $15-20K, the Revolutions was around $3K. i think that Senior Bowl photo had a lot to do with it.

The SP Authentic is a premiere brand, I think that’s the main reason for its value. It could be his highest serial numbered card (/3000) and still cost a lot

But even then you’d think the low number would be looked at more than someone’s opinion on how a card looks

Quantum Leaf has a really cool/flashy background but it’s a cheap card
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Old 11-06-2022, 12:32 PM   #14863
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Contenders 8.5 10 sold for $28,800 last night - Wasn't this 100k card a year ago?
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:01 PM   #14864
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Contenders 8.5 10 sold for $28,800 last night - Wasn't this 100k card a year ago?
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:21 PM   #14865
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Zero risk

Fluctuation, not up every day

Go back to Luka and other prospects, why are you here anyway?

No surprise there’s a drop after the hottest time in history


Like the stock market, up and down, but ultimately up, as far as Brady goes
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:41 PM   #14866
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Contenders 8.5 10 sold for $28,800 last night - Wasn't this 100k card a year ago?
The high was $84k. In fall 2020, it was a $20-22k card. Pre-pandemic it was $10-12k. I expect it to get back to that range.
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:41 PM   #14867
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Fluctuation, not up every day

Go back to Luka and other prospects, why are you here anyway?

No surprise there’s a drop after the hottest time in history


Like the stock market, up and down, but ultimately up, as far as Brady goes
Well...to start the whole "Goats never drop" narrative has been absolutely plummeted. And a lot of "influencers" and experts here were pushing that pretty heavily.

Not saying his contenders won't go back up, but it is an astonishing drop for the card we were all told is bulletproof.
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Old 11-06-2022, 02:34 PM   #14868
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Fluctuation, not up every day

Go back to Luka and other prospects, why are you here anyway?

No surprise there’s a drop after the hottest time in history


Like the stock market, up and down, but ultimately up, as far as Brady goes
Think you should go back and re-read some of your clueless posts. Not what you said at all.

I'm here because I like to go to many different threads. I'd tell you how to do it but the posters on this site seems to like it better when you and your incoherent posts are contained to this one.
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:30 PM   #14869
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The SP Authentic is a premiere brand, I think that’s the main reason for its value. It could be his highest serial numbered card (/3000) and still cost a lot

But even then you’d think the low number would be looked at more than someone’s opinion on how a card looks

Quantum Leaf has a really cool/flashy background but it’s a cheap card
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Old 11-06-2022, 07:26 PM   #14870
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Another impressive performance today.
Yes it was. That last drive was vintage Brady.

TB is now in 1st place in the division.

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What a G. Team let him down all game and he still brings them back from the dead.
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What a G. Team let him down all game and he still brings them back from the dead.
So you hate the Astros but you a Tom Tom Fanboy? I guess you don’t have a problem with him cheating?
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What a G. Team let him down all game and he still brings them back from the dead.
Team let him down all game? So if they had lost your excuse was already in place. They played a team equally as bad as they are. The QB's now are a mirror image of each other.
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Yes it was. That last drive was vintage Brady.

TB is now in 1st place in the division.
Not exactly a huge accomplishment to be first in that division. Nice drive at the end but the Rams gifted them the win by not trying for a first down to close the game.

Feel sorry for those receivers this week. Brady is going to destroy them.
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Team let him down all game? So if they had lost your excuse was already in place. They played a team equally as bad as they are. The QB's now are a mirror image of each other.
Sorry Tom Brady ruined your day.
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