**Official Luka Doncic Thread**

[The_Reverend]

There are Llt of awesome choices with 2018. I feel everyone just should get in where they can and enjoy the ride. I like Prizm, optic, Revolution, status, chronicles, Donruss and if I had any Select. From the lowest value product to the most high end, right now if you own Luka you can make money.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Select is not close to Revolution. Select, IMO, has passed Optic. Select courtside have become extremely popular, and for good reason.

It's much like a prizm silver - due to popularity,there are many other cards/sets you can compare it to and ask "why does a prizm silver outsell this when ________"

If Revolution gets a retail release (which I hope it does this year), I think it will be more popular than Select.

And I totally understand the Prizm Silver thing - but a Select Courtside is not a Prizm Silver. The thing that makes Prizm so valuable is that brand new people to the hobby know about Prizm Silvers - it's basically the first thing you learn when entering. I don't think Courtsides are anywhere close to that level of awareness.

Adding another level to this discussion...

Luka base Galactic has a PR of about 10-15. Select Courtside Silvers have around 30. A Courtside Silver BGS 9.5 sold on 10/10 for $14,500. A Galactic BGS 9.5 sold on 10/29 for $17,211 (and another on 9/22 for $18,500). I couldn't find 2 PSA 10s from a similar time frame to compare but please share if that's available.

So it can't just be because Select is more popular. Why does the Rev card outsell the Select in this situation? Does the PR have that much pull in the Galactic only having 10-15 vs the Courtside Silver having 30?

[Jhedges]

Originally Posted by TSonn

If Revolution gets a retail release (which I hope it does this year), I think it will be more popular than Select.

And I totally understand the Prizm Silver thing - but a Select Courtside is not a Prizm Silver. The thing that makes Prizm so valuable is that brand new people to the hobby know about Prizm Silvers - it's basically the first thing you learn when entering. I don't think Courtsides are anywhere close to that level of awareness.

Adding another level to this discussion...

Luka base Galactic has a PR of about 10-15. Select Courtside Silvers have around 30. A Courtside Silver BGS 9.5 sold on 10/10 for $14,500. A Galactic BGS 9.5 sold on 10/29 for $17,211 (and another on 9/22 for $18,500).

Why does the Rev card outsell the Select in this situation? Does the PR have that much pull in the Galactic only having 10-15 vs the Courtside Silver having 30?

There’s way more than 30 courtside silvers.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Not hating on the Select Courtside - it's a cool card. But it looks like it's got a PR of 780 and 200+ PSA 10s. I understand the PR is way less than Prizm and even Optic, but basically all the Revolution parallels have a lower PR than the Courtside. Revolution Astro has the highest PR (from hobby) and it's at 780. The last Astro PSA 10 sold for $900. Select is obviously more in demand than Revolution, but besides being Select/Chrome, what makes the Courtside so special in comparison to something like Revolution?

I don't know, why does Revolution sell for more than Certified or Absolute? What makes Revolution so special compared to Certified/Absolute?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Jhedges

There’s way more than 30 courtside silvers.

I was pulling the numbers from here: https://www.sportscardanalytics.com/...ect-basketball

But I see now that there are 33 PSA 10 Courtside Silvers and 36 graded altogether so that estimation must be off a bit.

[Jhedges]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I was pulling the numbers from here: https://www.sportscardanalytics.com/...ect-basketball

But I see now that there are 33 PSA 10 Courtside Silvers and 36 graded altogether so that estimation must be off a bit.

Either way Revolution is a great product with great parallels. Select is also a good option. Glactics have definitely cemented themselves as a premier RC to own.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Timo

I don't know, why does Revolution sell for more than Certified or Absolute? What makes Revolution so special compared to Certified/Absolute?

Does Revolution sell for more? Trying to compare similar PRs of Certified PSA 10 sales to Revolution PSA 10 sales and they seem similar. I didn't look at Absolute because I know nothing about that product.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

If Revolution gets a retail release (which I hope it does this year), I think it will be more popular than Select.

And I totally understand the Prizm Silver thing - but a Select Courtside is not a Prizm Silver. The thing that makes Prizm so valuable is that brand new people to the hobby know about Prizm Silvers - it's basically the first thing you learn when entering. I don't think Courtsides are anywhere close to that level of awareness.

Adding another level to this discussion...

Luka base Galactic has a PR of about 10-15. Select Courtside Silvers have around 30. A Courtside Silver BGS 9.5 sold on 10/10 for $14,500. A Galactic BGS 9.5 sold on 10/29 for $17,211 (and another on 9/22 for $18,500). I couldn't find 2 PSA 10s from a similar time frame to compare but please share if that's available.

So it can't just be because Select is more popular. Why does the Rev card outsell the Select in this situation? Does the PR have that much pull in the Galactic only having 10-15 vs the Courtside Silver having 30?

If it was based purely on looks, I'd personally rather have a Luka Courtside Silver over a Galactic. However, because the Galactic Luka is so dang limited (and looks stunning too) I think I'd rather have it than the Courtside Silver, hah. Honestly, who knows how the Market sets the prices.

Originally Posted by TSonn

Does Revolution sell for more? Trying to compare similar PRs of Certified PSA 10 sales to Revolution PSA 10 sales and they seem similar. I didn't look at Absolute because I know nothing about that product.

Base Revolution PSA 10 Luka are going for $550-$580 (441 pop), base Certified PSA 10 Luka are a little under $400 (240 pop).

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Timo

If it was based purely on looks, I'd personally rather have a Luka Courtside Silver over a Galactic. However, because the Galactic Luka is so dang limited (and looks stunning too) I think I'd rather have it than the Courtside Silver, hah. Honestly, who knows how the Market sets the prices.

Ha - yeah that's basically my point!

Originally Posted by Timo

Base Revolution PSA 10 Luka are going for $550-$580 (441 pop), base Certified PSA 10 Luka are a little under $400 (240 pop).

That difference can be chalked up to PR, right? I looked at the Certified Red /299 in comparison to the Groove and the Fractal and it sat right in between the 2, just like it should according to PR.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Ha - yeah that's basically my point!


That difference can be chalked up to PR, right? I looked at the Certified Red /299 in comparison to the Groove and the Fractal and it sat right in between the 2, just like it should according to PR.

Hmm, I'm not sure. I just know the Luka Cubic I sold a year ago for dirt cheap is more than likely worth much more than the Certified /49 Luka in my PC.

[greg8731]

Just saw there's a raw blue Crusade ending soon at 1700. Wonder what it ends up at. Back corners don't look so good. Front pics with no sleeve and relatively clear, back with sleeve and more blurry.

[KhalDrogo]

Price is determined by supply and demand. For whatever reason, people usually forget the demand side when trying to justify prices.

2018 Revolution RCs have 1866 parallels estimated (not including CNY). 2018 Select Courtside has 175 if you assume the Silver PR is the same as the Copper (a fair assumption given the pop report). Base is 3150 vs 780.

Revolution: 5016
Courtside: 955

Always wise to sum up the total cards with the given image on it when trying to compare. Courtside base has done what its done because it's challenging to get your hands on a parallel. Courtside has become insanely popular over the past year. It is the rarest unnumbered base chromium card that Panini makes. While Revolution is a cult favorite, it hasn't gained the more mainstream popularity yet. Let's quantify Courtside's popularity at double Revolution's. Now you're talking about a 10x difference in supply + demand, and the pricing differential is easier to see.

Now, I do think Revolution is undervalued. And the lack of parallels that show up for sale suggests that others do also.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Price is determined by supply and demand. For whatever reason, people usually forget the demand side when trying to justify prices.

2018 Revolution RCs have 1866 parallels estimated (not including CNY). 2018 Select Courtside has 175 if you assume the Silver PR is the same as the Copper (a fair assumption given the pop report). Base is 3150 vs 780.

Revolution: 5016
Courtside: 955

Always wise to sum up the total cards with the given image on it when trying to compare. Courtside base has done what its done because it's challenging to get your hands on a parallel. Courtside has become insanely popular over the past year. It is the rarest unnumbered base chromium card that Panini makes. While Revolution is a cult favorite, it hasn't gained the more mainstream popularity yet. Let's quantify Courtside's popularity at double Revolution's. Now you're talking about a 10x difference in supply + demand, and the pricing differential is easier to see.

Now, I do think Revolution is undervalued. And the lack of parallels that show up for sale suggests that others do also.

Supply and demand is exactly the point. I love Revolution, specifically the impact parallel, estimated around 140 copies. That card too pops up infrequently, but if I had my pick Imwould take the courtside for the reasons you mentioned. When you consider the unnumbered parallels produced that year, getting your hands on the silver version of courtside will,be extremely expensive and most copies are tucked away in collections or listed in the 30K or higher range. The photo used, game situation, also makes it more of a desirable card.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Price is determined by supply and demand. For whatever reason, people usually forget the demand side when trying to justify prices.



2018 Revolution RCs have 1866 parallels estimated (not including CNY). 2018 Select Courtside has 175 if you assume the Silver PR is the same as the Copper (a fair assumption given the pop report). Base is 3150 vs 780.



Revolution: 5016

Courtside: 955



Always wise to sum up the total cards with the given image on it when trying to compare. Courtside base has done what its done because it's challenging to get your hands on a parallel. Courtside has become insanely popular over the past year. It is the rarest unnumbered base chromium card that Panini makes. While Revolution is a cult favorite, it hasn't gained the more mainstream popularity yet. Let's quantify Courtside's popularity at double Revolution's. Now you're talking about a 10x difference in supply + demand, and the pricing differential is easier to see.



Now, I do think Revolution is undervalued. And the lack of parallels that show up for sale suggests that others do also.

Yeah, I get that demand is what's driving the Courtside. I'm just saying it's crazy how much difference it makes and I don't quite understand the demand for it.

In this case, shouldn't Select Concourse and Premier Level be counted in the numbers? The Courtside isn't technically the "base" rookie of the set since most view the Concourse as the base. That's also what's crazy to me. The Courtsides have the RC logo but are kind of a confusing "base" rookie. Not an insert, not a parallel, yet not a true base.

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[JoeAdam]

A lot of overthinking going on it here

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Yeah, I get that demand is what's driving the Courtside. I'm just saying it's crazy how much difference it makes. IMO the Revs are better looking cards than the non-silver Courtside.

In this case, shouldn't Select Concourse and Premier Level be counted in the numbers? The Courtside isn't technically the "base" rookie of the set since most view the Concourse as the base. That's also what's crazy to me. The Courtsides have the RC logo but are kind of a confusing "base" rookie. Not an insert, not a parallel, yet not a true base.

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Courtside and Premier are different cards. If you want a card that features the Courtside image on a Select design (since those morons at Panini used it on one of those non-pack issued junk cards), you have under 1000 available copies in existence.

[The_Reverend]

Select and the 3 levels is almost like 3 sets in one in my opinion. I think the other 2 versions are not as clean as court side and many are of the same opinion. It is the only set that is done like that, and has been across different products. I don’t own a select of any version. Would Imlike to have picked up a silver? Absolutely! I have some Revolution and those really pop in the parallel, especially impact, unnumbered but rare. Once a card crosses the $10,000 barrier, for those who have them TO SELL, most have in collections for the long haul, are sitting pretty.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Courtside and Premier are different cards. If you want a card that features the Courtside image on a Select design (since those morons at Panini used it on one of those non-pack issued junk cards), you have under 1000 available copies in existence.

I can get on board with the photo driving the demand - I still think it's pretty crazy - but the whole hobby is crazy right now so it doesn't have to make sense to me.

I just want to reiterate I'm not hating on Select. I started this Select thread a year ago to understand why Select was undervalued (especially the Premier Levels). Quite a few comments about the 3 base sets being confusing. Funny to read now seeing what deals people got just a year ago - 3 Luka Courtsides for $60! Crazy how quickly things change.

[bloodwings19]

I know someone on here said Optic is shorter printed than Prizm and it is true. But Prizm Silver PSA 10s still sell at least 1.25x than Holo Silver PSA 10s. 1928 PSA 10 Prizm Silvers and 242 PSA 10 Holos. Rarity sometimes doesn't sell, the name sells. In the long run, maybe 1 day when I'm no longer active on this board, Optic will sell higher. Prizm FB, some of the prices are holy @#$@....

[Jhedges]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

I know someone on here said Optic is shorter printed than Prizm and it is true. But Prizm Silver PSA 10s still sell at least 1.25x than Holo Silver PSA 10s. 1928 PSA 10 Prizm Silvers and 242 PSA 10 Holos. Rarity sometimes doesn't sell, the name sells. In the long run, maybe 1 day when I'm no longer active on this board, Optic will sell higher. Prizm FB, some of the prices are holy @#$@....

I think it may be sooner than you realize. Prizm use to sell for what at least 5x maybe 10x of Optic? Down to 1.25x in a 12 month span is a crazy leap for optic which at one point did outsell prizm.

[RedMike]

Originally Posted by Jhedges

I think it may be sooner than you realize. Prizm use to sell for what at least 5x maybe 10x of Optic? Down to 1.25x in a 12 month span is a crazy leap for optic which at one point did outsell prizm.

IMO, Luka will change the game as he will bring in a whole lot of collectors and collectors will want the rarer more shorter printed stuff.

Not too many collectors (real collectors) are trying to get their hands on 3000 psa 10 silvers.

Atleast IMO - but who the f knows really...

[CP3toOKC]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Supply and demand is exactly the point. I love Revolution, specifically the impact parallel, estimated around 140 copies. That card too pops up infrequently, but if I had my pick Imwould take the courtside for the reasons you mentioned. When you consider the unnumbered parallels produced that year, getting your hands on the silver version of courtside will,be extremely expensive and most copies are tucked away in collections or listed in the 30K or higher range. The photo used, game situation, also makes it more of a desirable card.

Do you know the print run of the other non-numbered parallels in the 2018-19 revolution base set?

[prodigylush]

Originally Posted by greg8731

Just saw there's a raw blue Crusade ending soon at 1700. Wonder what it ends up at. Back corners don't look so good. Front pics with no sleeve and relatively clear, back with sleeve and more blurry.

Was bidding for a while, but couldn’t get to $2188 on it. No clue if that’s fair or not for a raw? I assume a PSA 9 would be around $2500 and a 10 would be close to $5k. Just a gut feel for market values.

[beavers]

Originally Posted by prodigylush

Was bidding for a while, but couldn’t get to $2188 on it. No clue if that’s fair or not for a raw? I assume a PSA 9 would be around $2500 and a 10 would be close to $5k. Just a gut feel for market values.

I would say a typical raw would go higher. That one had quite a bit of visible damage and was a PSA 8 at best. Probably better odds of being a 6 than a 9. Still a dope card that will go up from here.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by CP3toOKC

Do you know the print run of the other non-numbered parallels in the 2018-19 revolution base set?

https://www.sportscardanalytics.com/...ion-basketball

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