Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by notfast

I’ve fallen into the project 2020 rabbit hole...and have a few basic questions:

When and how is print run released?

When are the new ones listed on Topps.com? 11am? 1pm?

Slightly after the release timeframe is up

Between 12/1 EST

[cavsfan70]

Originally Posted by BALxORIOLESx

**ALL VALUES WERE TAKEN AT ABOUT 5 AM EST**
***VALUES ARE THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST 3 SALES***

May 27, 2020 Recap

Format: Rank. Artist - Player Card (% Increase) - Prev Day Value ($) --> Current Day Value ($)

Top 20 Increases (%)
1. Tyson Beck 1959 Bob Gibson (145% Increase) $141 --> $345
2. Keith Shore 1959 Bob Gibson (86% Increase) $788 --> $1467
3. Gregory Siff 1984 Don Mattingly (78% Increase) $118 --> $210
4. Keith Shore 1992 Mariano Rivera (72% Increase) $118 --> $203
5. Blake Jamieson 1984 Don Mattingly (69% Increase) $433 --> $730
6. Oldmanalan 1992 Mariano Rivera (66% Increase) $1205 --> $1998
7. Mister Cartoon 1952 Jackie Robinson (61% Increase) $85 --> $137
8. Mister Cartoon 1985 Dwight Gooden (61% Increase) $310 --> $498
9. Blake Jamieson 1980 Rickey Henderson (58% Increase) $435 --> $688
10. Fucci 1955 Sandy Koufax (51% Increase) $156 --> $235
11. Joshua Vides 1992 Mariano Rivera (49% Increase) $344 --> $514
12. Naturel 1987 Mark McGwire (47% Increase) $477 --> $700
13. Andrew Thiele 1955 Sandy Koufax (46% Increase) $305 --> $446
14. Matt Taylor 1993 Derek Jeter (45% Increase) $145 --> $210
15. Matt Taylor 1990 Frank Thomas (44% Increase) $102 --> $147
16. Ben Baller 1985 Dwight Gooden (44% Increase) $57 --> $82
17. Efdot 1954 Ted Williams (42% Increase) $103 --> $146
18. Ermsy 1959 Bob Gibson (42% Increase) $89 --> $126
19. King Saladeen 2001 Ichiro (41% Increase) $120 --> $169
20. Grotesk 1993 Derek Jeter (36% Increase) $455 --> $620

Format: Rank. Artist - Player Card ($ Increase) - Prev Day Value ($) --> Current Day Value ($)

Top 20 Increases ($)
1. Oldmanalan 1992 Mariano Rivera ($793 Increase) $1205 --> $1998
2. Keith Shore 1959 Bob Gibson ($679 Increase) $788 --> $1467
3. Fucci 1982 Cal Ripken Jr. ($390 Increase) $1279 --> $1669
4. Blake Jamieson 1984 Don Mattingly ($297 Increase) $433 --> $730
5. Blake Jamieson 1980 Rickey Henderson ($253 Increase) $435 --> $688
6. Joshua Vides 1980 Rickey Henderson ($231 Increase) $1050 --> $1281
7. Naturel 1987 Mark McGwire ($223 Increase) $477 --> $700
8. Keith Shore 1984 Don Mattingly ($214 Increase) $836 --> $1050
9. Tyson Beck 1959 Bob Gibson ($204 Increase) $141 --> $345
10. Mister Cartoon 1985 Dwight Gooden ($188 Increase) $310 --> $498
11. Oldmanalan 1983 Tony Gwynn ($186 Increase) $685 --> $871
12. Joshua Vides 1992 Mariano Rivera ($170 Increase) $344 --> $514
13. Grotesk 1993 Derek Jeter ($165 Increase) $455 --> $620
14. Andrew Thiele 1955 Sandy Koufax ($141 Increase) $305 --> $446
15. Blake Jamieson 1952 Jackie Robinson ($139 Increase) $415 --> $554
16. Efdot 1987 Mark McGwire ($128 Increase) $825 --> $953
17. Joshua Vides 1985 Dwight Gooden ($120 Increase) $1442 --> $1562
18. Fucci 1954 Ted Williams ($107 Increase) $1028 --> $1135
T19. Matt Taylor 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. ($102 Increase) $373 --> $475
T19. Gregory Siff 1982 Cal Ripken Jr. ($102 Increase) $455 --> $557

Rolling Daily Value of Cards 1-90... I understand that this data is a little skewed as some of the cards were not released until later on in these days.

Rolling Daily Values of Cards 1-90
5/14/2020 = $7,998.13
5/15/2020 = $8,034.09
5/16/2020 = $8,075.49
5/17/2020 = $8,374.35
5/18/2020 = $8,586.91
5/19/2020 = $10,035.51
5/20/2020 = $10,894.00
5/21/2020 = $11,860.00
5/22/2020 = $13,171.00
5/23/2020 = $18,593.00
5/24/2020 = $25,656.82
5/25/2020 = $43,879.00
5/26/2020 = $54,820.00
5/27/2020 = $60,823.00

back at it again! ty!

It's crazy, I bought the top 3 % movers all from topps... $$$$$$$$$

[notfast]

Originally Posted by BALxORIOLESx

When? Print run is released after the card is done being sold on Topps Website.

How? The print run is determined based on how many purchases of a particular card is ordered through the Topps website.

When are new ones released? They are released around 12 PM EST daily... give or take a little bit of time.

Thanks. I meant “how” as in where is it posted? Email, Topps website etc

[go_steelers07]

Originally Posted by notfast

Thanks. I meant “how” as in where is it posted? Email, Topps website etc

https://www.topps.com/archive/project-2020-archive.html

[williemayshayes]

A list of the best movers shows that most people in this game aren’t looking for a Baller Ichiro. They’re looking for somewhat low print run cards that are affordable and look good or different!
Becks Gibby is just gorgeous!


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[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

A list of the best movers shows that most people in this game aren’t looking for a Baller Ichiro. They’re looking for somewhat low print run cards that are affordable and look good or different!
Becks Gibby is just gorgeous!


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lol its sort of hard to see a BIG move from $4,500......

Ichiro Baller still has a HIGH floor at around 4k though

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

lol its sort of hard to see a BIG move from $4,500......

Ichiro Baller still has a HIGH floor at around 4k though

It went from 2-4K in less than a day.
I’m not saying it’s gonna fall off the table just making the point that Beck/Gibson’s are similar to US175 Trout.

When Trout 09BC Autos took off and were sitting in a land of nearly brand new economy cars, suddenly US175 looked very appealing. So it takes off. When they become unattainable for the average Joe, 2011 Finest or whatever will take off.

Just my perspective of this thing. But trying to make sense of this product seems futile.


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[Strofan]

Every day this phenomenon continues to amaze me...
I plan to list my last 3 Blake Jamieson Nolan Ryans (#18) today.
I somehow wish I could mark the cards with a magical tracker to see if the card is flipped, how many times flipped, kept in PC. (yeah I could follow the buyers and scan any future sales, but come on...)
I have zero animosity towards flippers, its just for curiosity... like tracking down what happened to your first car (assuming you left it in good shape).
I'm the original purchaser but by reselling part of my order I am a "flipper" of sorts... thus any hate would be hypocritical.
Ideally I hope every card I sell finds a home where its held and cherished, but even with best intentions a collector's situations change.
IMO - beyond the money to be made the coolest thing is the possibility of bringing non-collectors into the hobby. More appreciation of collecting benefits everyone.

[34JacktheRipper]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

It went from 2-4K in less than a day.
I’m not saying it’s gonna fall off the table just making the point that Beck/Gibson’s are similar to US175 Trout.

When Trout 09BC Autos took off and were sitting in a land of nearly brand new economy cars, suddenly US175 looked very appealing. So it takes off. When they become unattainable for the average Joe, 2011 Finest or whatever will take off.

Just my perspective of this thing. But trying to make sense of this product seems futile.


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#baseballcardgoggles

Much bigger audience buying these than people buying trout update rookies


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[MCyganik]

I think we are beginning to see the start of a leveling off period. I’m not saying by any means that cards will necessarily go down or there won’t be any huge gains going forward, because there will. As long as new buyers continue to be confused how to buy from Topps directly, the PR won’t go to the moon and every card will still have a healthy gain. But I think we are approaching the level where average investors start getting less comfortable with paying MORE than low 4 figures for low PR and a couple hundred for popular artists/players with higher print runs.

This is a good thing and hopefully paces the market for the full run of the project.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

#baseballcardgoggles

Much bigger audience buying these than people buying trout update rookies


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Which would make sense. Trout US175 is a singular card. Project 2020 is what around 80 different cards so far?!! Do you think one singular card in the set is doing more volume than US175? I dont know. I havent looked.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

I think we are beginning to see the start of a leveling off period. I’m not saying by any means that cards will necessarily go down or there won’t be any huge gains going forward, because there will. As long as new buyers continue to be confused how to buy from Topps directly, the PR won’t go to the moon and every card will still have a healthy gain. But I think we are approaching the level where average investors start getting less comfortable with paying MORE than low 4 figures for low PR and a couple hundred for popular artists/players with higher print runs.

This is a good thing and hopefully paces the market for the full run of the project.

Thank you! This is what I was trying to say but apparently didn't communicate my thoughts well.

Gone are the days of strolling eBay and finding 2500PR cards for $50. THAT was the thrill that drove this thing for many and then if went poof a couple days ago.

[HeyPanini]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

I think we are beginning to see the start of a leveling off period. I’m not saying by any means that cards will necessarily go down or there won’t be any huge gains going forward, because there will. As long as new buyers continue to be confused how to buy from Topps directly, the PR won’t go to the moon and every card will still have a healthy gain. But I think we are approaching the level where average investors start getting less comfortable with paying MORE than low 4 figures for low PR and a couple hundred for popular artists/players with higher print runs.

This is a good thing and hopefully paces the market for the full run of the project.

A few things... basically a lot of the lower print runs are low because the interest level in that card was well, low at the time. Now those cards have ended up jumping in value with all the boom. When is the last time that something like this happened? How sustainable is that?

Print runs are going to jump very soon and there is going to be a large gap between the print runs on newer cards and the initial cards they released. Are those cards with the lower print runs going to jump in value or are people going to realize that we have a lot more cards coming that they can get at cheaper prices if they're collecting. I'd assume this low PR cards all end up jumping in value and being worth something decent, but who knows.

[ToppsCollector1]

From what I see, they may stabilize for a while and shoot back up again

[redscollector24]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

I think we are beginning to see the start of a leveling off period. I’m not saying by any means that cards will necessarily go down or there won’t be any huge gains going forward, because there will. As long as new buyers continue to be confused how to buy from Topps directly, the PR won’t go to the moon and every card will still have a healthy gain. But I think we are approaching the level where average investors start getting less comfortable with paying MORE than low 4 figures for low PR and a couple hundred for popular artists/players with higher print runs.

This is a good thing and hopefully paces the market for the full run of the project.

But but but Gary V is speaking on Friday and Blake said buy everything while you still can! Why cards not go up?

[UGLI baby]

o/u 65k for Griffey Shore??

[doubledribble]

Probably could have held off on the baller trout I picked up yesterday. Was going to use that as a flip to cover costs on lower pr card I picked up.

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[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

o/u 65k for Griffey Shore??

Over. Maybe 75k

[Namttip]

Originally Posted by BALxORIOLESx

**ALL VALUES WERE TAKEN AT ABOUT 5 AM EST**

***VALUES ARE THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST 3 SALES***



May 27, 2020 Recap



Format: Rank. Artist - Player Card (% Increase) - Prev Day Value ($) --> Current Day Value ($)



Top 20 Increases (%)

1. Tyson Beck 1959 Bob Gibson (145% Increase) $141 --> $345

2. Keith Shore 1959 Bob Gibson (86% Increase) $788 --> $1467

3. Gregory Siff 1984 Don Mattingly (78% Increase) $118 --> $210

4. Keith Shore 1992 Mariano Rivera (72% Increase) $118 --> $203

5. Blake Jamieson 1984 Don Mattingly (69% Increase) $433 --> $730

6. Oldmanalan 1992 Mariano Rivera (66% Increase) $1205 --> $1998

7. Mister Cartoon 1952 Jackie Robinson (61% Increase) $85 --> $137

8. Mister Cartoon 1985 Dwight Gooden (61% Increase) $310 --> $498

9. Blake Jamieson 1980 Rickey Henderson (58% Increase) $435 --> $688

10. Fucci 1955 Sandy Koufax (51% Increase) $156 --> $235

11. Joshua Vides 1992 Mariano Rivera (49% Increase) $344 --> $514

12. Naturel 1987 Mark McGwire (47% Increase) $477 --> $700

13. Andrew Thiele 1955 Sandy Koufax (46% Increase) $305 --> $446

14. Matt Taylor 1993 Derek Jeter (45% Increase) $145 --> $210

15. Matt Taylor 1990 Frank Thomas (44% Increase) $102 --> $147

16. Ben Baller 1985 Dwight Gooden (44% Increase) $57 --> $82

17. Efdot 1954 Ted Williams (42% Increase) $103 --> $146

18. Ermsy 1959 Bob Gibson (42% Increase) $89 --> $126

19. King Saladeen 2001 Ichiro (41% Increase) $120 --> $169

20. Grotesk 1993 Derek Jeter (36% Increase) $455 --> $620



Format: Rank. Artist - Player Card ($ Increase) - Prev Day Value ($) --> Current Day Value ($)



Top 20 Increases ($)

1. Oldmanalan 1992 Mariano Rivera ($793 Increase) $1205 --> $1998

2. Keith Shore 1959 Bob Gibson ($679 Increase) $788 --> $1467

3. Fucci 1982 Cal Ripken Jr. ($390 Increase) $1279 --> $1669

4. Blake Jamieson 1984 Don Mattingly ($297 Increase) $433 --> $730

5. Blake Jamieson 1980 Rickey Henderson ($253 Increase) $435 --> $688

6. Joshua Vides 1980 Rickey Henderson ($231 Increase) $1050 --> $1281

7. Naturel 1987 Mark McGwire ($223 Increase) $477 --> $700

8. Keith Shore 1984 Don Mattingly ($214 Increase) $836 --> $1050

9. Tyson Beck 1959 Bob Gibson ($204 Increase) $141 --> $345

10. Mister Cartoon 1985 Dwight Gooden ($188 Increase) $310 --> $498

11. Oldmanalan 1983 Tony Gwynn ($186 Increase) $685 --> $871

12. Joshua Vides 1992 Mariano Rivera ($170 Increase) $344 --> $514

13. Grotesk 1993 Derek Jeter ($165 Increase) $455 --> $620

14. Andrew Thiele 1955 Sandy Koufax ($141 Increase) $305 --> $446

15. Blake Jamieson 1952 Jackie Robinson ($139 Increase) $415 --> $554

16. Efdot 1987 Mark McGwire ($128 Increase) $825 --> $953

17. Joshua Vides 1985 Dwight Gooden ($120 Increase) $1442 --> $1562

18. Fucci 1954 Ted Williams ($107 Increase) $1028 --> $1135

T19. Matt Taylor 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. ($102 Increase) $373 --> $475

T19. Gregory Siff 1982 Cal Ripken Jr. ($102 Increase) $455 --> $557



Rolling Daily Value of Cards 1-90... I understand that this data is a little skewed as some of the cards were not released until later on in these days.



Rolling Daily Values of Cards 1-90

5/14/2020 = $7,998.13

5/15/2020 = $8,034.09

5/16/2020 = $8,075.49

5/17/2020 = $8,374.35

5/18/2020 = $8,586.91

5/19/2020 = $10,035.51

5/20/2020 = $10,894.00

5/21/2020 = $11,860.00

5/22/2020 = $13,171.00

5/23/2020 = $18,593.00

5/24/2020 = $25,656.82

5/25/2020 = $43,879.00

5/26/2020 = $54,820.00

5/27/2020 = $60,823.00

Nice info.... Interesting to see what is moving

[rcearley]

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

o/u 65k for Griffey Shore??

I’m sticking to the under, but if it’s over then I can retire with what I’m sitting on.

[ToppsCollector1]

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

o/u 65k for Griffey Shore??

Im going to take the under....and guess 64,999

But seriously, Under. This is probably around 50K

[JRX]

I really just want my Taylor Henderson to update to in transit. The seller has been selling a lot of this stuff and has perfect feedback so I probably shouldn't worry. Both my Baller and Rochester Thomas updated so there's that. I emailed the seller and got no response. I mentioned that I am planning to visit family which I havent' seen for 3 months for an extended period, but I don't want to put a hold on my mail with all this stuff coming.

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by ALBASKETBALL

Over. Maybe 75k

Would be so crazy

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by rcearley

I’m sticking to the under, but if it’s over then I can retire with what I’m sitting on.

haha I cant imagine what will happen to some of Shore's earlier stuff if this PR goes where people are saying.

[RyanSwinger]

WHY is everyone ROOTING for a high PR?

35K would be perfect.

anything over 40k... beginning of the end