The 2017 Baseball Wax Price Jumping Thread

[Boo]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Any third party seller- Blowout, DA, individual sellers, etc.

Correct, in this hot market.

In a normal market, I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty close to even between Topps and distributors.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Any third party seller- Blowout, DA, individual sellers, etc. Topps will maake money selling out but probably don't raise distributor prices (but I am not 100% sure)

Ok so BO and others buy directly from Topps and not some middle man. If someone bought a lot of cases, they couldn't buy from Topps directly? Thanks

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Boo

Topps isn't the one making this money after the products are released.

Well, no but it seems like they're adjusting things with distributors who are then passing costs along to retailers like BO. It seems like the retailers in the middle have the most opportunity for profit in this setup but they also have to take on some of the risk in buying all releases.

[ridgerider]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Well, no but it seems like they're adjusting things with distributors who are then passing costs along to retailers like BO. It seems like the retailers in the middle have the most opportunity for profit in this setup but they also have to take on some of the risk in buying all releases.

Middle retailers are not taking on much risk given they force LCS's to buy unwanted surplus in order to get any of the hot 2017 product.

[gorillaz]

So if you can jump on heritage at $140 a box, should you? Found a place at that price right now.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

So if you can jump on heritage at $140 a box, should you? Found a place at that price right now.

yes, any product that has the potential of pulling a $5000 card and many others that are big is not going to be a $140 box for very long. $200 per box easy if AJ continues.

[ketchupman36]

What's the likely cost of a hobby jumbo box of Update? $130?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

Heritage is up to $200 a box now. Yeesh.

On EBay there are multiple boxes available around $165.

Still ridiculous, though....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Rufusyo

I just thought about what I said and supply and demand doesn't change that.

If a company produces something to be sold at $75, then that is what it is made to be sold at. Topps made Heritage containing 2-3 autos per case to be in that neighborhood. It is created for set builders with a fun chase of throwbacks and other unique ssp and sp's. Do things always stay at that price they are created to be at? No, not at all... we both know that. There are always products that move up or down based on their content. That doesn't make a statement that a product was made to be around a certain price point wrong though. No one is denying the law of supply and demand.

The real question is why is Aaron Judge (or Benintendi, Bregman, Swanson, etc.) are even in Heritage?

Heritage used to be a product centered around HOFers/retired players. Prior to 2015 HHN, there were virtually no rookie autos in the product except Kershaw in 2008 and Posey in 2010. Even Trout and Harper didn't have rookie autos in Heritage.

Ever since then, however, it's been stuffed to the gills with rookie autos, just like every other product. That's the problem....take all the rookie autos out of Heritage and it's back to being a $60-70 per box product.

[ThoseBackPages]

no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Thankfully there are now RCs that can "compete" financially with MILB Autos

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The real question is why is Aaron Judge (or Benintendi, Bregman, Swanson, etc.) are even in Heritage?

Heritage used to be a product centered around HOFers/retired players. Prior to 2015 HHN, there were virtually no rookie autos in the product except Kershaw in 2008 and Posey in 2010. Even Trout and Harper didn't have rookie autos in Heritage.

Ever since then, however, it's been stuffed to the gills with rookie autos, just like every other product. That's the problem....take all the rookie autos out of Heritage and it's back to being a $60-70 per box product.

Added value.. Which we all cry out for... To be honest Heritage from 2001-2010 was loved by group who loved the throwback feel..

But once the variations and rc hits.. it has jumped to the most popular product in the hobby...

Judge and other rcs will probably have autos in heritage high also...

Damn if they get bellinger base action etc.. that product will go nuts

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Added value.. Which we all cry out for... To be honest Heritage from 2001-2010 was loved by group who loved the throwback feel..

But once the variations and rc hits.. it has jumped to the most popular product in the hobby...

Judge and other rcs will probably have autos in heritage high also...

Damn if they get bellinger base action etc.. that product will go nuts

So true....I'd pre-order now if I could

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Added value.. Which we all cry out for... To be honest Heritage from 2001-2010 was loved by group who loved the throwback feel..

Heritage from 2001-2015 was already the most popular product in the hobby.

And nobody was "crying out for added value" because the box prices were reasonable, they already provided good value, and nobody cared about making a profit off it. The product was created for set-builders and that's who bought it. If you got lucky, you pulled a HOFer auto, if not, no big deal.

Same thing with Archives before Topps started adding Charlie Sheen/Will Ferrell autos....before that it was also a $60-70 per box product.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I in return disagree. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

All you Judgeheads, never have a reasonable response.

I ask the question.....again..... if this is Aaron Judge related. How comes maybe the hottest Rookie class ever.....and I'll push it further.....arguably hottest rookie product....ever.... in 2015 Heritage High number could be had below cost in the spring of 2016? If rookie heritage autos of Kris Bryant, Carlos Correa, Fransisco Lindor, Noah Syndergaard among others couldnt drive price up to those heights......how is Aaron Judge by himself? Simply put, we have had a hot rookie in a huge market for 3 Straight years (Bryant, Seager and now Judge).

Judge is not the only factor at play.....not even close. This started with 'Dak/Zeke Mania' last year, mixed with Panini's across the board price increase. Every product became Zeke/Dak or bust.

We will be Judge/Belly or bust by the end of this year, and Topps will announce price increases across the board for 2018.

Quote this post, mark it down.

I think this 2017 mania is going to carry right into early 2018 as well....because pre orders for 2018 Flagship and Heritage are going to be due right in the thick of playoff baseball/end of season....so orders will fill up quickly and then the allocation begins....Just thinking out loud

[ShtHairMcGee]

In the end, many people will buy at these prices. Cracking wax is addicting. It's an easy way to get a "fix" without having to get to the local Indian casino. I see it every time I go to thr LCS. Guys spending hundreds, thousands at a time for that chance!

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[majestik101]

If you're purely in for the rip and flip, spending $160-$175+ for what essentially boils down to is the chance to "maybe" pull an Aaron Judge card (auto or non-auto, SP or non SP) is extremely risky.

I know that this may be heresy, but boxes of 2017 Donruss can be had for $90-$100. The chance of pulling an Aaron Judge out of that is statistically better and those cards right now are going for respectable money. I wound up pulling two Aaron Judge autos myself (plus some nice SP Cody Bellingers) after busting 12 boxes. Good odds there, plus the cards don't look half bad. But of course, I've always had a soft spot for the new Donruss releases.

[KidKards101]

Well, I placed my pre-order for a 2017 Bowman Chrome HTA case knowing that Judge and Belly cards will be included. Was deciding between this or the Hobby case. I know the HTA version is limited and will have more autos. I hope I made the right decision between the two lol.

[Rufusyo]

Originally Posted by Tim

So you think that the spaghetti at Fazoli's is the same as the spaghetti at the fancy Italian restaurant down the road? If the fancy restaurant is booked solid, do you think the people who want to eat there will go to Fazoli's instead? It seems as if you do.

I never said that the products are exactly the same, but the price point is way out of proportion. Pointing to the fact that something else is going on. Someone on these boards just hit a Judge heritage auto in retail. I know others have too. The difference in Walmart, target, and other retailers in comparison to online hobby dealers is they don't manipulate prices.

Going back to your perfect illustration of the two spaghetti places. At some point people are going to say, do I want to pay $XX amount for this or $XXX for something that is a little better? The overpriced item prices people out and if they really want something they will go for the better value, or bang for the buck. This isn't rocket science.

Good grief, even Elite football is going crazy. Dang you Judge!!! In the words of Cris Carter... C'Mon Man.

[luse301]

Originally Posted by KidKards101

Well, I placed my pre-order for a 2017 Bowman Chrome HTA case knowing that Judge and Belly cards will be included. Was deciding between this or the Hobby case. I know the HTA version is limited and will have more autos. I hope I made the right decision between the two lol.

Except that you ONLY get 3 autos in HTA and no base cards. While Judge will have a chrome version of his paper base card from Bowman I wouldn't expect any RC autos(besides maybe an insert) and no Bellinger RC at all.

[luse301]

I think if I were a sports card distributor the FIRST 3 products that I wouldn't mind siting on years worth of quantity would be Heritage Baseball, Bowman and Topps Chrome baseball. I know they have to use fuzzy math that would make my head hurt for tax and accounting purposes but if you aren't sitting on pallets of these you're kinda doing it wrong.

[phil]

Originally Posted by luse301

Except that you ONLY get 3 autos in HTA and no base cards. While Judge will have a chrome version of his paper base card from Bowman I wouldn't expect any RC autos(besides maybe an insert) and no Bellinger RC at all.

Agree Hobby will probably be better for the money than HTA, but it's not a stretch at all to think Bellinger could be included. BC comes out just 1 week before TTT which Topps already has done a Bellinger mock up auto RC for, so there is a very strong possibility he will be in BC and possibly other things earlier than that.

Also there is no reason Topps couldn't or wouldn't do a second Judge auto RC with a different photo in BC, given they are apparently already doing exactly that with Bregman and Moncada.

[KidKards101]

Originally Posted by phil

Agree Hobby will probably be better for the money than HTA, but it's not a stretch at all to think Bellinger could be included. BC comes out just 1 week before TTT which Topps already has done a Bellinger mock up auto RC for, so there is a very strong possibility he will be in BC and possibly other things earlier than that.

Also there is no reason Topps couldn't or wouldn't do a second Judge auto RC with a different photo in BC, given they are apparently already doing exactly that with Bregman and Moncada.

My thoughts exactly, and someone in the Bellinger thread mentioned that he will have cards in BC as well. I have been trying to find some answers online as to a checklist, but it is still incomplete. I can't think of anything else on why Topps wouldn't add these two superstars to BC.

[mma138]

Originally Posted by phil

Agree Hobby will probably be better for the money than HTA, but it's not a stretch at all to think Bellinger could be included. BC comes out just 1 week before TTT which Topps already has done a Bellinger mock up auto RC for, so there is a very strong possibility he will be in BC and possibly other things earlier than that.

Also there is no reason Topps couldn't or wouldn't do a second Judge auto RC with a different photo in BC, given they are apparently already doing exactly that with Bregman and Moncada.

yes just look at past years . judge will have a new base chrome with a different photo then regular bowman ,

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

Judge or not, anyone paying $200 for heritage is out of their mind. I bought a box at $110 at my LCS the other day. It was a total bloodbath, and didn't even pull a Judge base RC. Even if the actions are getting $250, there are very very few cards that allow you to come out on top.

I was sold on heritage this year. It was a great product. But, there is no defense for busting at $200. The same goes for many products this year. Outside of Judge there is just no one performing to drive the value who is live (bellinger). I think the rookie class is somewhat historic, but with guys like swanson and bregman struggling and other players like Moncada still in AAA many great cards can be had for less than a box.

You actually got that for an excellent price. Heritage was brutal this year.

I'm not buying hobby at this price, but I'm happy to buy all the bowman blasters for $20 a pop if I can find them. bases of judge, base and chrome of bellinger, talent pool cards, auto's about 1 per three boxes. I've had stinkers, but haven't lost my shirt either, and with hobby boxes at $125+++ it's a no brainer.

[fenwaykid]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

You actually got that for an excellent price. Heritage was brutal this year.

I'm not buying hobby at this price, but I'm happy to buy all the bowman blasters for $20 a pop if I can find them. bases of judge, base and chrome of bellinger, talent pool cards, auto's about 1 per three boxes. I've had stinkers, but haven't lost my shirt either, and with hobby boxes at $125+++ it's a no brainer.

As someone who always loved hobby- I'm spending the majority of my money on retail this year. Bowman hobby prices just aren't worth it. I'd much rather get 5 blasters for the money- and I can get them 5 minutes from my house- not buy online and wait 3 days for arrival. I think Topps is catching on to the popularity of retail products and is going to go after that segment hard in the near future. BO should be careful with their price strategy. Once you start pricing people out they'll go elsewhere - getting those customers back is not as easy as you think.