Francisco Lindor

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This is just as wild a take. First, one player impacts team success in baseball less than any other sport. Lindor has been elite and has nothing to do with how disappointing the Mets have been, no matter how much uninformed, emotional fans think otherwise.

Second, boiling offensive production down to batting average is even more uninformed. Look at every metric and you'll see he has been elite.

Whether it's worth the contract is up to the owner, I guess. But compared to other contracts, it seems reasonable. I mean, you get a player getting MVP votes every year and top tier in WAR every year. What more can you ask for from a guy?

Last season he put up outstanding Low Leverage stats. This season his High and Medium Leverage performances are much better. He is beginning to have vital hits.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This is just as wild a take. First, one player impacts team success in baseball less than any other sport. Lindor has been elite and has nothing to do with how disappointing the Mets have been, no matter how much uninformed, emotional fans think otherwise.

Second, boiling offensive production down to batting average is even more uninformed. Look at every metric and you'll see he has been elite.

Whether it's worth the contract is up to the owner, I guess. But compared to other contracts, it seems reasonable. I mean, you get a player getting MVP votes every year and top tier in WAR every year. What more can you ask for from a guy?

Originally Posted by Wrightfan85

Loved him before the Mets got him and he's my favorite player since the trade. It looks like he'll be getting back to back 30/30 seasons with his usual stellar defense and could be a top 3 MVP guy this year.

Don't get why some Mets fans hate him. Feels like Beltran all over again.

Agree with the Beltran comp.

[boxbuster7]

Mets fans are Masochists

Plain and Simple

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Mets fans are Masochists

Plain and Simple

Was watching the game yesterday, and Keith Hernandez commented that Mets fans are great to play for "when you are winning."

I'm a lifelong Mets fan and I get that people were mad when Lindor didn't perform well in his first year with the Mets. But that was in 2021. The fact that Mets still can't fully rally behind Lindor, who has been on fire for 2 months is a problem with the fans, not a problem with Lindor.

[LaloSalamanca]

Fireworks /5 & Suns /10

[bounty37h]

My 12 y.o. son got to go to NY last week with a friend and went to the Braves game Thursday night. The friend has a family member who works for the Mets and got them family passes-they were on field for bp and Lindo came over and talked to them and signed my sons pickleball racket (was the giveaway that night). My son said he was so nice and really cool.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Was watching the game yesterday, and Keith Hernandez commented that Mets fans are great to play for "when you are winning."

I'm a lifelong Mets fan and I get that people were mad when Lindor didn't perform well in his first year with the Mets. But that was in 2021. The fact that Mets still can't fully rally behind Lindor, who has been on fire for 2 months is a problem with the fans, not a problem with Lindor.

A lot of vocal Mets fans are also "old-school" and think the only kind of player that should get 300M is a guy like Judge. Lindor didn't help by being awful his first year plus and also have truly brutal stretches. All that said, he's going in the hof.

[LaloSalamanca]

I just struggle to understand the "he's not worth his contract!" argument because in reality...who *IS* "worthy" of their deal? For the highest paid SS, you have guys who have won WS in Seager & Mookie (who has versatility outside of SS). Then you have Correa who RISKY, and there's Trea Turner who's fantastic but future HOF worthy?

Like...Lindor is paid a lot. But that's the game now in 2024. Contracts are rising and in order to compete for superstar talent you need to pay up. I'd personally take Lindor over all of the names I just mentioned with the exception of Mookie because again, he's more than a SS.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

I just struggle to understand the "he's not worth his contract!" argument because in reality...who *IS* "worthy" of their deal? For the highest paid SS, you have guys who have won WS in Seager & Mookie (who has versatility outside of SS). Then you have Correa who RISKY, and there's Trea Turner who's fantastic but future HOF worthy?

Like...Lindor is paid a lot. But that's the game now in 2024. Contracts are rising and in order to compete for superstar talent you need to pay up. I'd personally take Lindor over all of the names I just mentioned with the exception of Mookie because again, he's more than a SS.

When you look around, his contract is where it should be. It got off to a bad start as he had his worst offensive season right after signing it and that's probably stuck in people's heads. He's also been a second half guy the last few years which has led to a lot of first half complaining.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

I just struggle to understand the "he's not worth his contract!" argument because in reality...who *IS* "worthy" of their deal? For the highest paid SS, you have guys who have won WS in Seager & Mookie (who has versatility outside of SS). Then you have Correa who RISKY, and there's Trea Turner who's fantastic but future HOF worthy?

Like...Lindor is paid a lot. But that's the game now in 2024. Contracts are rising and in order to compete for superstar talent you need to pay up. I'd personally take Lindor over all of the names I just mentioned with the exception of Mookie because again, he's more than a SS.

Mookie isn't a particularly good-fielding SS.

[Skipscards]

Took me a while, but I finally got a pic of my Lindor autograph...

[LaloSalamanca]

Recent Chrome additions!

(On a related note, a frozenfractor sold for almost 800 bucks last night &#129327

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

Recent Chrome additions!

(On a related note, a frozenfractor sold for almost 800 bucks last night &#129327

Love the lightboard parallel

[LaloSalamanca]

Kinda went hog wild on ebay last night and got the 23 chrome superfractor whoops lol I cannot wait for that bad boy to get here

[LaloSalamanca]

It's here and it's beautiful (except there's a piece of hair inside the slab lol)

[lawrencedc1]

I have a bunch of his early stuff. This is one of my favorites
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[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

It's here and it's beautiful (except there's a piece of hair inside the slab lol)

Whoa that's great. Congrats LaloSalamanca.

The 2022 Superfractor was available on Facebook a few years back. I thought about it and went back to make an offer and it was already sold.

[MikeyThumbs]

Sharing my favorite Lindor pickups over the last couple years...



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[Jeter1020]

Do we feel like he’s HOF bound?


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[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Do we feel like he’s HOF bound?


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I wouldnt bet on it

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

I wouldnt bet on it

How come?


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[ThoseBackPages]

i voted no

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Do we feel like he’s HOF bound?


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100%.

31 years old and already 21st all time among SS with 54.2 fWAR (49.6 bWAR). Has a very real chance at 400 HR and 70 WAR. Throw in 2 gold gloves and 4 silver sluggers (so far) too

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

100%.

31 years old and already 21st all time among SS with 54.2 fWAR (49.6 bWAR). Has a very real chance at 400 HR and 70 WAR. Throw in 2 gold gloves and 4 silver sluggers (so far) too

Two no and one yes. I asked because I was looking at his ear and for a shortstop he’s on the track but I’m still newish to the numbers of baseball so I wanted to ask


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[scottiebcards]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Two no and one yes. I asked because I was looking at his ear and for a shortstop he’s on the track but I’m still newish to the numbers of baseball so I wanted to ask


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I think he is absolutely on pace and will get into the hall eventually.

Through his age 30 season he has 54.2 war which since 1940 is the third highest ever for a shortstop only behind Alex Rodríguez (81.5) and Cal Ripken Jr (65.8).

If we want to take it a step further, since 1900 he is 5th all time with only Rodríguez (81.5), Ripken (65.8), Arky Vaughn (65.4) and Lou Bourdreau (58.2) ahead of him.

Plus he has 6 top ten MVP finishes, two gold gloves, four silver sluggers, and is in pace for 400 hr and 250 SB. That would make him the second member of that club along side only Arod.

Obviously he has work to do and isn’t a HOFer right now if he were to retire, but definitely on pace in my eyes.


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