Brian Flores has filed a class action lawsuit against NY Giants/NFL

[LCM1223]

Maybe, hear me out, he was fired, hear me out, because he just wasn’t ummm, stick with me, good at his job

[gschmidt82]

Originally Posted by TSonn

That's what puts the whole Rooney Rule sham into the limelight. Obviously teams will have "their guy" before even starting interviews, but to already leak that they are hiring someone before all scheduled interviews are completed is not the intention of the Rooney Rule. That's why I stated earlier that this situation will probably create some change with the Rooney Rule somehow to get it back to its intention.

Makes you wonder how Belichik would have known though. Why would a division rival be talking to him about one of their coaches being hired by the Giants.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

None of this makes a lot of sense. Flores coming out now saying he had no trust in the organization since his tenure (because of the $$ offer to tank) doesn't jive with sticking around for three full seasons. All of the people today who decide to sink their morals and ethics only to complain on their way out the door years later have no value and no argument to make.

You wanna play it straight, I am here to support you and will stand by you while you choose to do the right thing. You wanna make your millions while playing hush hush, and then expect a big payday when you scorch the earth on your way out the door ... you're a bum who deserves nothing. (And that's only if his $$/tank story is true. It's probably better for him if it isn't true and he's just a liar.)

This is the part that gets me, even if it’s only optics. All this happening after he’s fired for essentially not getting along with the organization just raises red flags.

If you don’t believe in the organization - leave. You are only doing a disservice to the organization and players by being half in and half out.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This is the part that gets me, even if it’s only optics. All this happening after he’s fired for essentially not getting along with the organization just raises red flags.

If you don’t believe in the organization - leave. You are only doing a disservice to the organization and players by being half in and half out.

Flores would have had complete credibility if he was willing to stand up in 2019 and say he refuses to work for an organization who asked him to do this. Perhaps I'm being naïve but if I'm an owner, I want that man on my team and so he probably would have come out that situation pretty strong, with multiple offers in the near future.

He either chose wrong IMHO, or he's trying to strengthen a poor position w/ a lie. In all possible situations, this suit makes him look incredibly weak.

[imbluestreak23]

My $200k student loan bill doesn’t care about affirmative action. Didn’t get awarded a minority scholarship here.

I’m okay if Flores loses this stupid case

[i4gotmyid]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

None of this makes a lot of sense. Flores coming out now saying he had no trust in the organization since his tenure (because of the $$ offer to tank) doesn't jive with sticking around for three full seasons. All of the people today who decide to sink their morals and ethics only to complain on their way out the door years later have no value and no argument to make.

You wanna play it straight, I am here to support you and will stand by you while you choose to do the right thing. You wanna make your millions while playing hush hush, and then expect a big payday when you scorch the earth on your way out the door ... you're a bum who deserves nothing. (And that's only if his $$/tank story is true. It's probably better for him if it isn't true and he's just a liar.)

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This is the part that gets me, even if it’s only optics. All this happening after he’s fired for essentially not getting along with the organization just raises red flags.

If you don’t believe in the organization - leave. You are only doing a disservice to the organization and players by being half in and half out.

These are all such weird takes...hasn't sports movies taught us that the coaches and players should stick around and try to win and make the evil/greedy owner regret trying to tank/lose?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by i4gotmyid

These are all such weird takes...hasn't sports movies taught us that the coaches and players should stick around and try to win and make the evil/greedy owner regret trying to tank/lose?

Yea ... but the team is already in Miami!

(And I shutter to think if they were peeling pieces off of a cardboard cutout of Stephen Ross)

[calmar]

Originally Posted by gschmidt82

Anybody claiming racism in the NFL.....please tell me why there are no white CB's. We all know why. The answer does not only apply to CB. It applies to every position in the organization. If people would quit 'crying wolf' about racism, just to get fame or fortune, then maybe the true issues could actually be addressed.

So true. African Americans are twitchy and can run fast, so we'll let them play CB. But as a race, apparently they just don't possess the necessities to own or coach teams, while white people do, and so we'll let the more capable white people do that. No bias or racism or old-boy networks exist. The best people get the job, always, period.

Sure, slavery is so recent that there are Americans alive today who when they were young knew former slaves. And sure, millions of Americans alive today were around at a time when lynchings were celebrated by crowds and then commemorated with postcards. And sure, easily-accessible research and statistics show that systemic and institutional racism in 2022 America remains a huge issue in education, housing, health care, hiring, and in every other nook and cranny of American life, and obviously plays a part in the staggering racial inequalities that exist today in health, wealth, and several other indicators.

But damn if I don't hate it when people cry wolf about racism.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by calmar

So true. African Americans are twitchy and can run fast, so we'll let them play CB. But as a race, apparently they just don't possess the necessities to own or coach teams, while white people do, and so we'll let the more capable white people do that. No bias or racism or old-boy networks exist. The best people get the job, always, period.

Sure, slavery is so recent that there are Americans alive today who when they were young knew former slaves. And sure, millions of Americans alive today were around at a time when lynchings were celebrated by crowds and then commemorated with postcards. And sure, easily-accessible research and statistics show that systemic and institutional racism in 2022 America remains a huge issue in education, housing, health care, hiring, and in every other nook and cranny of American life, and obviously plays a part in the staggering racial inequalities that exist today in health, wealth, and several other indicators.

But damn if I don't hate it when people cry wolf about racism.

[oplum29]

i remember back in 2003, the 49ers had fired Mooch and were looking for a new head coach.

the name that kept getting mentioned, a guy i wanted to become our coach, was the Jets defensive coordinator, Ted Cottrell.



then, out of the blue...Dennis Erickson is named head coach of the 49ers. i was in complete shock by that, and i think a lot of 49er fans were too.

Erickson was never mentioned to my understanding, by anybody. there wasn't one report, one article, nothing, absolutely nothing, and then boom, he got the job over Cottrell, who by all reports, was the front runner.

in today's NFL, it's just odd how you have 32 teams, and only 2 minority coaches- Tomlin and Rivera. all the openings right now, have gone to white coaches.

there's even talk of Josh McCown being the head coach of Houston? hu what? Josh McCown? you serious?

Cottrell btw, never became a head coach in the NFL.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i remember back in 2003, the 49ers had fired Mooch and were looking for a new head coach.

the name that kept getting mentioned, a guy i wanted to become our coach, was the Jets defensive coordinator, Ted Cottrell.



then, out of the blue...Dennis Erickson is named head coach of the 49ers. i was in complete shock by that, and i think a lot of 49er fans were too.

Erickson was never mentioned to my understanding, by anybody. there wasn't one report, one article, nothing, absolutely nothing, and then boom, he got the job over Cottrell, who by all reports, was the front runner.

in today's NFL, it's just odd how you have 32 teams, and only 2 minority coaches- Tomlin and Rivera. all the openings right now, have gone to white coaches.

there's even talk of Josh McCown being the head coach of Houston? hu what? Josh McCown? you serious?

Notice how Rivera gets ignored mostly when discussing minority coaches?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by calmar

So true. African Americans are twitchy and can run fast, so we'll let them play CB. But as a race, apparently they just don't possess the necessities to own or coach teams, while white people do, and so we'll let the more capable white people do that. No bias or racism or old-boy networks exist. The best people get the job, always, period.

Sure, slavery is so recent that there are Americans alive today who when they were young knew former slaves. And sure, millions of Americans alive today were around at a time when lynchings were celebrated by crowds and then commemorated with postcards. And sure, easily-accessible research and statistics show that systemic and institutional racism in 2022 America remains a huge issue in education, housing, health care, hiring, and in every other nook and cranny of American life, and obviously plays a part in the staggering racial inequalities that exist today in health, wealth, and several other indicators.

But damn if I don't hate it when people cry wolf about racism.

These always make me laugh. So prevalent in society yet unable to provide a single source or example.

Candyman / Candyman / Candyman.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Notice how Rivera gets ignored mostly when discussing minority coaches?

yup! they mention Tomlin, but never Rivera. why is that?

[Retired hobbist]

Saleh while Caucasian isn't considered White. So there are 3 and somebody was probably getting hired during this cycle. I don't know what the number of head coaches should be but withing coaching staffs I have never seen such large numbers on non White coaches before.

I'm old enough to remember when the only non White coaching would usually be either the defensive backs coach or the running back coach or maybe both.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by oplum29

yup! they mention Tomlin, but never Rivera. why is that?

Because they want to use the word minority all the time to feel inclusive to other minorities. Just say what you’re thinking and say black coaches and not minorities. It’s always about black and white when they discuss these things but some want to tip toe around their actual thoughts.

[calmar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

These always make me laugh. So prevalent in society yet unable to provide a single source or example.

Candyman / Candyman / Candyman.

You do know that google exists, right? I know it's scary, but try googling any of those key terms. Do you really think that because I didn't provide links, that these realities and research and evidence do not exist? I just took 30 seconds to do that, and the results I got offer lifetimes of reading to do, if you care to do it.

Here's another angle. What evidence would ever convince you? I'm guessing you could never be convinced, and if that's the case, this is all moot.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by oplum29

there's even talk of Josh McCown being the head coach of Houston? hu what? Josh McCown? you serious?

It would only prove the old adage "Those that are most qualified, win the job"

[gschmidt82]

Originally Posted by calmar

So true. African Americans are twitchy and can run fast, so we'll let them play CB. But as a race, apparently they just don't possess the necessities to own or coach teams, while white people do, and so we'll let the more capable white people do that. No bias or racism or old-boy networks exist. The best people get the job, always, period.

Sure, slavery is so recent that there are Americans alive today who when they were young knew former slaves. And sure, millions of Americans alive today were around at a time when lynchings were celebrated by crowds and then commemorated with postcards. And sure, easily-accessible research and statistics show that systemic and institutional racism in 2022 America remains a huge issue in education, housing, health care, hiring, and in every other nook and cranny of American life, and obviously plays a part in the staggering racial inequalities that exist today in health, wealth, and several other indicators.

But damn if I don't hate it when people cry wolf about racism.

Lol. This man is a millionaire and held one of the most exclusive jobs in America. OH THE RACISM
Do you honestly believe that executives of billion dollar organizations sit in meeting rooms and talk about not hiring a guy because he's black? Also, you pretty much proved my point. The things you mentioned were actual racism. Crying about not getting a job because you think people don't like you is not racism unless you have factual evidence to back up the claim.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

Saleh while Caucasian isn't considered White. So there are 3 and somebody was probably getting hired during this cycle. I don't know what the number of head coaches should be but withing coaching staffs I have never seen such large numbers on non White coaches before.

I'm old enough to remember when the only non White coaching would usually be either the defensive backs coach or the running back coach or maybe both.

you're right. forgot about Saleh.

[ZappBrannigan]

Another Jussie on the sports scene. Poor me.

[rms13]

The biggest news is Hue Jackson allegedly being paid to lose games by the Browns and Flores being offered money by the Dolphins to lose games. If this stuff is proven it’s a major problem for the league.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by jplarson

It would only prove the old adage "Those that are most qualified, win the job"

there's no way to determine if anybody is ready to be a head coach, it's only through experience and the person himself.

but you can't say someone is qualified because they were an awesome football player, or a good coordinator.

Tomlin spent one season as a DC before becoming the HC of the Steelers.

[i4gotmyid]

Originally Posted by gschmidt82

Lol. This man is a millionaire and held one of the most exclusive jobs in America. OH THE RACISM
Do you honestly believe that executives of billion dollar organizations sit in meeting rooms and talk about not hiring a guy because he's black? Also, you pretty much proved my point. The things you mentioned were actual racism. Crying about not getting a job because you think people don't like you is not racism unless you have factual evidence to back up the claim.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

These always make me laugh. So prevalent in society yet unable to provide a single source or example.

Candyman / Candyman / Candyman.

More weird takes, so you are going to clap back at Calmar for calling racism but ignore NeedChapmans who doesnt believe racism exists today?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by calmar

You do know that google exists, right? I know it's scary, but try googling any of those key terms. Do you really think that because I didn't provide links, that these realities and research and evidence do not exist? I just took 30 seconds to do that, and the results I got offer lifetimes of reading to do, if you care to do it.

Here's another angle. What evidence would ever convince you? I'm guessing you could never be convinced, and if that's the case, this is all moot.

Like so many that have failed before you, all you have to do is show an institution that is racist. One institution that has laws or rules or an open desire to keep one race below another.

I wouldn't use the NFL though; that's a loser for your argument.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by i4gotmyid

More weird takes, so you are going to clap back at Calmar for calling racism but ignore NeedChapmans who doesnt believe racism exists today?

And after I had expressed hope and optimism in our current state of affairs.

I said no such thing. My stance is very clear, institutional racism is a self fulfilling "boogeyman". It does not exist and those that cite it as a fact are no better than any conspiracy theorist.

Institutional Racism Believers = Kyrie Irving Flat Earthers.