CardFanz Keeps Ultra SP Hit in Player Break

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

If he did not designate a mascot spot in his break then this definitely should have gone to the Wander spot. Sleezy

This was my thought as well.

[1800gambler]

I think it should go to the Wander spot. At the very least it should be randomed off. No way it should ever go to the “house” that’s absolutely nonsense

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Are you his friend or something? Just because alot of people are scumbags in this hobby doesn't excuse being a scumbag. This is a situation where it's a very thin line, but I think anyone with an ounce of an ethical compass gives the Wander spot the card. He's not keeping the card if it's worth a dollar.

I think the card is definitely a Mascot card and not a Wander card. But there's ambiguity to most here and that means he should give the card to the Wander slot. Unless he was also going to fight for the card if it was worth a buck(which he wouldn't), so that makes it case closed for me on the right course of action

If you've read anything I've said here, I've already said my opinion on what he should do with the card. I've already moved on from him. My opinion is that it's a team mascot card and should be randomed to those that had Rays players. No where did I try excusing his behavior. The value of the card doesn't matter. But everyone wants to yell and scream about he never would have done this if it wasn't a more expensive card. You think there would be this type of outrage sold for mascot card prices (which is what the card is). Doubt it. People would have called the breaker a scum bag and this thread would have been quickly buried.

My whole point is that just because people want to call it a Wander card because Wander cards are more valuable than mascot cards doesn't mean that it's a Wander card. My shots were at the people here saying it only has value because Wander's body is on the card. Which simply isn't true. I stand by my statement that him calling it a Wander card in his posts is lying about what the card is to attempt to squeeze a few more dollars out of it.

We all seem to agree that what the breaker did was the worst possible option. I don't think it's some clear easy decision to just give it to the person that bought the Wander spot. And I gave plenty of reasons why I choose what I did.

[whitmm]

Appears Beckett updated their variations guide. They call them Mascot variations. They have them listed as Mascots. Appears there's a Philly Phanatic and a Mr Met as well. The description say the Mascot with the player's body, not the player with the mascot head. More proof they are mascot cards

[1800gambler]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

So what you are saying is that if the image was that of Francisco Mejia the card would still be worth the same as the existing Wander Franco image?

It's blatantly obvious that the card only has value because of Wander Franco.

I disagree with it only having value because of wander. I think any ultra SP card from flagship will be valuable regardless of what’s on it. People love stuff that’s scarce. Especially in a hobby where rarity is part of the whole allure.

[soey10]

Originally Posted by whitmm

If you've read anything I've said here, I've already said my opinion on what he should do with the card. I've already moved on from him. My opinion is that it's a team mascot card and should be randomed to those that had Rays players. No where did I try excusing his behavior. The value of the card doesn't matter. But everyone wants to yell and scream about he never would have done this if it wasn't a more expensive card. You think there would be this type of outrage sold for mascot card prices (which is what the card is). Doubt it. People would have called the breaker a scum bag and this thread would have been quickly buried.

My whole point is that just because people want to call it a Wander card because Wander cards are more valuable than mascot cards doesn't mean that it's a Wander card. My shots were at the people here saying it only has value because Wander's body is on the card. Which simply isn't true. I stand by my statement that him calling it a Wander card in his posts is lying about what the card is to attempt to squeeze a few more dollars out of it.

We all seem to agree that what the breaker did was the worst possible option. I don't think it's some clear easy decision to just give it to the person that bought the Wander spot. And I gave plenty of reasons why I choose what I did.

So if someone robs your house with a rays mascot head on then the mascot gets arrested because it’s the mascot head with a criminal body? Sounds good ?

Best argument on here so far is how you would list the card on eBay if you pulled it and were trying to sell it.


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[callou2131]

Well, I would bet when he lists ot on ebay he sells it as a Wander Franco ultra ssp

[IronCladLou]

Originally Posted by 1800gambler

I think it should go to the Wander spot. At the very least it should be randomed off. No way it should ever go to the “house” that’s absolutely nonsense

I'd never break with anyone who ever potentially allocates themselves something from the break

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's a card that you exchange for the actual card. Completely different. This is the actual card, not a redemption

I see your point and agree with it, but my response was well within the parameters of your original inquiry. No name, no face, and no info of the actual player on the front or back.

It fits for the Topps Chrome and Bowman Heritage mystery redemptions too. In basketball, it would fit the UD Shaq RC redemption. In football, the Select draft redemptions are the same thing - no name, no face, no info of the specific player.

Again - I agree with you that these types of redemptions (basing the player on an event in the future or an unannounced “mystery”) are different than the given situation; however, your initial inquiry did not rule these out.

[jayjay0122]

Topps really running out of ideas. I can't believe what the hobby has come to with people paying thousands of dollars on cards like this.

I guess it's a Wander, but Topps should have kept the players name on the front at least if they were going to do this.

[TrickyNick]

I didn't realize that people were doing player breaks from Flagship. Did this guy sell 350+ player spots? What a pain in the toukas.

Also, after reading this thread, I've changed my mind. This is a mascot card, not Wander. Fair arguments have been made, including by me, but my case was inferior.

I think the only thing we have as consensus is that this guy shouldn't keep it himself no matter what and the money he makes from this is probably less than the money he's lost from people that will now never break with him.

[jjrpilot]

His IG account has 50+ comments so far.

And this thread is 6 pages deep.

The dude just destroyed himself over a card that isn't worth a ton.

In all seriousness, integrity matters.

If there's one thing I've learned from getting back into the hobby, if you screw someone over... collectors will drag you...and they don't forget!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by soey10

So if someone robs your house with a rays mascot house then the mascot gets arrested because it’s the mascot head with a criminal body? Sounds good ?

Best argument on here so far is how you would list the card on eBay if you pulled it and were trying to sell it.


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I would list it as a Raymod card if I sold it on ebay. Just like what the breaker did was a scumbag move, people who purposefully misidentify a card to create more traffic to make a couple more bucks are also making a scumbag move.

It's a mascot card

[base set]

Player breaks in Series 2, what a concept.

[msink28]

Amen. Why would anyone die on this hill.

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

His IG account has 50+ comments so far.

And this thread is 6 pages deep.

The dude just destroyed himself over a card that isn't worth a ton.

In all seriousness, integrity matters.

If there's one thing I've learned from getting back into the hobby, if you screw someone over... collectors will drag you...and they don't forget!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by TrickyNick

I didn't realize that people were doing player breaks from Flagship. Did this guy sell 350+ player spots? What a pain in the toukas.

Also, after reading this thread, I've changed my mind. This is a mascot card, not Wander. Fair arguments have been made, including by me, but my case was inferior.

I think the only thing we have as consensus is that this guy shouldn't keep it himself no matter what and the money he makes from this is probably less than the money he's lost from people that will now never break with him.

How are those breakers that pulled the Lawrence and then decided and stated they couldn't send the card out because it was worth too much doing?

How is the breaker that tried stealing the Fields redemption doing?

This isn't me justifying what they did. I've just seen it too many times where stuff happens and the breakers keep getting people to spend money with them. Because there's people oit there that seem to be fine with it. There's people out there that don't read the forums and will break with them until they get screwed over. Their reputation takes a quick hit, then the threads get buried and every thing returns to how it was before. Yes, it sucks and I wish these guys would go out of business, but that's just not reality

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by soey10

So if someone robs your house with a rays mascot house then the mascot gets arrested because it’s the mascot head with a criminal body? Sounds good ?

Best argument on here so far is how you would list the card on eBay if you pulled it and were trying to sell it.


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Possibly the worst analogy used yet. Congrats.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by base set

Player breaks in Series 2, what a concept.

That in itself is the most puzzling part of this. There are so many non-single player cards in the set it seems like a horrible product to do this with.

[Nester99]

Seems like a Wander Card to me if no mascots spot were listed.
Regardless it should not go to the breaker.

[hermanotarjeta]

What’s the only 100% method to not get ripped off by a breaker?

Open the box yourself.

If you are group breaking a box of base topps - you are practically asking to get ripped off. It’s like buying food at a 99 cent store - you are going to get spoiled product.

STOP DOING IT!

[tctxsimon]

I was confused at first and wanted to say it was a wander. Now, I can see it is TECHINICALLY not a wander card, but CONTEXT matters. People are using the "Jordan" example and lets be real. Wander is not in the background. They used his rookie card image and superimposed a mascot head on it.

People will value it because it is a wander franco image with a mascot head on it. The Ebay listing will have wanders name on it.

It should go to the Wander spot, at a bare minimum auctioned off between the spots that were awarded in the break. Never should the breaker have kept the card.

Ultimately, it is about the money and how it will be perceived by us(the hobby).

[mallowciraptor]

So were there were spots in this break for just Wander and the Rays (minus Wander)?

Because if so I'd think at the bare minimum it should go to whoever has the Rays team spot, but I certainly see the case for it going to the Wander.

Either way this breaker has no business keeping this card. If he wants to ruin what little reputation he has over this, by all means. Just another scumbag added to the block list.

[CoEnt85]

I think it's clearly a Wander but the card should have defaulted to the Wander spot regardless since there was no mascot spot and Wander is on the card. Breaker is a dbag.

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by EastonElite

For anyone claiming they think that this is NOT a Wander card, ask yourself how you'd describe it when you listed it for sale on EBAY.

Thought so.

This. No one on here wouldn’t have the name Wander Franco all over their listing. Case closed. The breaker wouldn’t want to keep it if it wasn’t implied it was Wander.

[gabe23]

Card is numbered 215. Wander’s card is numbered 215. It is most definitely a Wander SSSP. Guy is a scumbag IMO