Connor Bedard - Page 6

NotGoSportsBall · 01-24-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianKid

I agree with that list for the most part, you did miss Black Diamond though so... slide that in between sp and Ult?

As far as OPC Platinum is going, loving it and it is certainly gaining respect! Just picked up a Matthew Tkachuk seismic gold auto /25, beauty cards.

Personally I would stick black diamond between Stature and Platinum just because of the sticker autos. Probably put SPGU around there as well.

CanadianKid · 01-24-2023, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

Personally I would stick black diamond between Stature and Platinum just because of the sticker autos. Probably put SPGU around there as well.

In terms of "quality" I agree in terms of price the rest of the hobby diagrees with us lol Purely based on price point it sits above even Ultimate I believe.

Asian62150 · 01-24-2023, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

YGs are more desirable and carry a lot more weight than OPCP RCs in the Hockey market. If that makes them better, I don't know.
Top RCs to collect are YGs, SPA FWAs and The Cup.
After those it's a matter of preference with design, values, PC, budget, availability etc.
I'm personally a big fan of OPCP and Premier Collection.

Thanks. It's just a little confusing bc Topps Chrome/Prizm style RCs are pretty key in other sports. Much moreso than flagship RCs.

CanadianKid · 01-24-2023, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

Thanks. It's just a little confusing bc Topps Chrome/Prizm style RCs are pretty key in other sports. Much moreso than flagship RCs.

Hockey is Hockey, different animal.

WallyatJCCards · 01-24-2023, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Hockey is Hockey, different animal.

Very true

edogg · 01-24-2023, 08:03 PM

Just picked up a Pats team card today, hoping to grade it and sell it after he goes #1 overall at the draft. I also picked up 2 CHL boxes from DA. First one had a 2020-21 Star Rookies SP and I haven't opened the second one. Might hang on to it and sell it down the road. Fun rip though! The one guaranteed acetate but also had two plates, one of which was signed. The auto plate was Owen Outwater, #76 ranked NA prospect, so maybe a 3rd round pick. Wasn't expecting much, so it was all just good fun.

cbeauch87 · 01-24-2023, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by edogg

Just picked up a Pats team card today, hoping to grade it and sell it after he goes #1 overall at the draft. I also picked up 2 CHL boxes from DA. First one had a 2020-21 Star Rookies SP and I haven't opened the second one. Might hang on to it and sell it down the road. Fun rip though! The one guaranteed acetate but also had two plates, one of which was signed. The auto plate was Owen Outwater, #76 ranked NA prospect, so maybe a 3rd round pick. Wasn't expecting much, so it was all just good fun.

Who was the other plate?

edogg · 01-24-2023, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cbeauch87

Who was the other plate?

Mike Petizian - Kitchener Rangers

cardsin47 · 01-25-2023, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

I think Ultimate is close to high end but not quite there.

I would rank as such: (low, mid, mid-high, high)

MVP
Trilogy
SPX

Flagship (s1/s2)
Artifacts
Stature
OPC Platinum

Premier
Ultimate

SP Authentic
Cup

Thanks - very helpful

MIRRABB · 01-25-2023, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

I think Ultimate is close to high end but not quite there.

I would rank as such: (low, mid, mid-high, high)

MVP
Trilogy
SPX

Flagship (s1/s2)
Artifacts
Stature
OPC Platinum

Premier
Ultimate

SP Authentic
Cup

In no way is SP Authentic high end. It's always been the flagship middle tier product for Upper deck. Ultimate has traditionally been the second most high end product for UD, though no one really cares about it anymore.

NotGoSportsBall · 01-25-2023, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

In no way is SP Authentic high end. It's always been the flagship middle tier product for Upper deck. Ultimate has traditionally been the second most high end product for UD, though no one really cares about it anymore.

I don’t disagree with you, in theory. But in reality, SPA /999 for whatever reason generally commands significantly more $ than an Ultimate RPA /99. I personally don’t get it. I am an Ultimate devotee and am fine with getting awesome cards at a discount. Quality wise, I do think Ultimate is better. The hobby feels otherwise, though.

MIRRABB · 01-25-2023, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

I don’t disagree with you, in theory. But in reality, SPA /999 for whatever reason generally commands significantly more $ than an Ultimate RPA /99. I personally don’t get it. I am an Ultimate devotee and am fine with getting awesome cards at a discount. Quality wise, I do think Ultimate is better. The hobby feels otherwise, though.

Yeah absolutely. And I think as the price of wax has gotten crazier, SP authentic has just gotten much more expensive to break compared to the old days, whereas Ultimate not so much.

CanadianKid · 01-26-2023, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Yeah absolutely. And I think as the price of wax has gotten crazier, SP authentic has just gotten much more expensive to break compared to the old days, whereas Ultimate not so much.

Ultimate not so much?

Ultimate is not cheap when you consider you get 1 pack. If anything its most certainly not cheap and nearly same price as sp for 1 pack.

Onepocketj · 02-05-2023, 09:57 PM

Pretty nice praise from Sidney...

Crosby says he skated with Connor Bedard this summer and was blown away by someone being so skilled that young.

“No weaknesses”

Onepocketj · 02-08-2023, 06:28 PM

Guess I'm done collecting him now. Might just pick up a couple of the new numbered cards. I have pretty much one of each of his cards so far but looking at the 2022 Upper Deck Canada checklist he has 80 different cards in the set. Think I'm good.

jmarascojr · 03-01-2023, 10:45 AM

20 games left and here's the bottom 5 teams...

Arizona 51 points
San Jose 48 points
Chicago 47 points
Anaheim 47 points
Columbus 46 points

If I were him, I think I'd be hoping for Chicago (Original 6 team) or Anaheim (Zegras) at this point.
The rest are gonna land him in hobby purgatory and don't look like much "fun".

anusinha · 03-01-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jmarascojr

20 games left and here's the bottom 5 teams...

Arizona 51 points
San Jose 48 points
Chicago 47 points
Anaheim 47 points
Columbus 46 points

If I were him, I think I'd be hoping for Chicago (Original 6 team) or Anaheim (Zegras) at this point.
The rest are gonna land him in hobby purgatory and don't look like much "fun".

Card wise, Chicago or Montreal are the best. I wouldnt mind SJ or Anaheim since I live in CA. Pairing him up with some combo of Terry/McTavish/Zegras would be like the old Kariya/Selanne days.

Arizona or Columbust would be a death knell for everyone.

kingb22 · 03-01-2023, 11:10 AM

There's such a huge advantage in the lottery to finish worst the tanking teams need to pick up their game. Maybe the Kane trade will "help". The upside too in last is your worst pick is Matvei Michkov who the Atlantic draft guy said is the best projected 3rd pick he's ever rated

valleynuckfan · 03-01-2023, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kingb22

There's such a huge advantage in the lottery to finish worst the tanking teams need to pick up their game. Maybe the Kane trade will "help". The upside too in last is your worst pick is Matvei Michkov who the Athletic draft guy said is the best projected 3rd pick he's ever rated

fixed that for ya
And I agree that MM is as winner a pick as you could make. CB is the consensus #1 but MM is right there as well.

Giroux · 03-01-2023, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kingb22

There's such a huge advantage in the lottery to finish worst the tanking teams need to pick up their game. Maybe the Kane trade will "help". The upside too in last is your worst pick is Matvei Michkov who the Atlantic draft guy said is the best projected 3rd pick he's ever rated

I think Michkov is probably the 2nd best player is this draft (Fantilli isn't too far off) but I'm not sure how high he'll go due to his contract situation in the KHL. Will be interesting to see what happens.

kellmuff · 03-01-2023, 01:06 PM

I dont think theres going to be such thing as 'hobby purgatory' if he turns out to be the player he's projected to be. Team wont matter.

Columbus have a decent core to move forward with if he goes there. Especially on the blueline.

odjickfan · 03-01-2023, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Card wise, Chicago or Montreal are the best. I wouldnt mind SJ or Anaheim since I live in CA. Pairing him up with some combo of Terry/McTavish/Zegras would be like the old Kariya/Selanne days.

Arizona or Columbust would be a death knell for everyone.

Connor Bedard in Mtl would be pure madness, in terms of card prices. Just look at how Caufield and Suzuki stuff is selling. They are very good, but not generational talent like Bedard is expected to be.

Bedard with the young talent in Anaheim would be exciting to watch, but in eastern Canada, we don't see many Ducks games.

ChefCurry312 · 03-02-2023, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kellmuff

I dont think theres going to be such thing as 'hobby purgatory' if he turns out to be the player he's projected to be. Team wont matter.

Columbus have a decent core to move forward with if he goes there. Especially on the blueline.

I mostly agree but I think his cards get an additional “premium” if he ends up in Chicago. Blackhawks have huge fanbase + more visibility/attention if he plays in Chicago.

kellmuff · 03-03-2023, 11:03 AM

Politely disagree just because players on this type of level will be sought after regardless. He's a McDavid level talent and even randoms that dont follow the sport will know who he is.

Like hypothetically, his YG is going to be like 400 out of the gate. Would being on Chicago make it 450? I'm not sure I believe that.

As the previous post mentioned, Caufield and Suzuki do big numbers because they play for the Habs, and I agree that market makes a difference for those lower tier players but I think the Crosby's, McDavid's, Bedard's dont matter when they come into the league when they're THAT good and THAT hyped.

ThatGuyPal · 03-03-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kellmuff

Politely disagree just because players on this type of level will be sought after regardless. He's a McDavid level talent and even randoms that dont follow the sport will know who he is.

Like hypothetically, his YG is going to be like 400 out of the gate. Would being on Chicago make it 450? I'm not sure I believe that.

As the previous post mentioned, Caufield and Suzuki do big numbers because they play for the Habs, and I agree that market makes a difference for those lower tier players but I think the Crosby's, McDavid's, Bedard's dont matter when they come into the league when they're THAT good and THAT hyped.

This

I was bored so I went on Fanduel betting to check the odds of Bedard going first for a laugh figuring it would be -10000000....you can't even bet on it lol it's such a lock can only bet on who is going #2

Point being like you said things like that stick out to randoms if I didn't already know him things like that perk ears up and make people do research, I'd even argue for cards the fact so many more casuals are in now and given his Team Canada prices/CHL..... team will matter even less than for the others as if people are paying what they are just for pre-league stuff slap any official NHL team logo on him and people go nuts

03-01-2023, 10:45 AM	#141
jmarascojr Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 4,366 shooterjoe13	20 games left and here's the bottom 5 teams... Arizona 51 points San Jose 48 points Chicago 47 points Anaheim 47 points Columbus 46 points If I were him, I think I'd be hoping for Chicago (Original 6 team) or Anaheim (Zegras) at this point. The rest are gonna land him in hobby purgatory and don't look like much "fun". __________________ Always looking to trade, https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVYMy7F I PC Luke Harper/Brodie Lee

01-24-2023, 08:03 PM	#131
edogg Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 241	Just picked up a Pats team card today, hoping to grade it and sell it after he goes #1 overall at the draft. I also picked up 2 CHL boxes from DA. First one had a 2020-21 Star Rookies SP and I haven't opened the second one. Might hang on to it and sell it down the road. Fun rip though! The one guaranteed acetate but also had two plates, one of which was signed. The auto plate was Owen Outwater, #76 ranked NA prospect, so maybe a 3rd round pick. Wasn't expecting much, so it was all just good fun.

02-05-2023, 09:57 PM	#139
Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,171 jeflave-0 onepocketj	Pretty nice praise from Sidney... Crosby says he skated with Connor Bedard this summer and was blown away by someone being so skilled that young. “No weaknesses”

02-08-2023, 06:28 PM	#140
Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,171 jeflave-0 onepocketj	Guess I'm done collecting him now. Might just pick up a couple of the new numbered cards. I have pretty much one of each of his cards so far but looking at the 2022 Upper Deck Canada checklist he has 80 different cards in the set. Think I'm good.

03-01-2023, 11:10 AM	#143
kingb22 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,034	There's such a huge advantage in the lottery to finish worst the tanking teams need to pick up their game. Maybe the Kane trade will "help". The upside too in last is your worst pick is Matvei Michkov who the Atlantic draft guy said is the best projected 3rd pick he's ever rated

03-01-2023, 01:06 PM	#146
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,347	I dont think theres going to be such thing as 'hobby purgatory' if he turns out to be the player he's projected to be. Team wont matter. Columbus have a decent core to move forward with if he goes there. Especially on the blueline.

03-03-2023, 11:03 AM	#149
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,347	Politely disagree just because players on this type of level will be sought after regardless. He's a McDavid level talent and even randoms that dont follow the sport will know who he is. Like hypothetically, his YG is going to be like 400 out of the gate. Would being on Chicago make it 450? I'm not sure I believe that. As the previous post mentioned, Caufield and Suzuki do big numbers because they play for the Habs, and I agree that market makes a difference for those lower tier players but I think the Crosby's, McDavid's, Bedard's dont matter when they come into the league when they're THAT good and THAT hyped.