$7000+ eBay Scam, could hit all mailbox/vault services (COMC/SMC/PSA Fanatics Vault)

[jcardstore]

I think we can all agree that eBay sucks. The one thing that's the most unbelievable out of this entire thing is that the OP has no way to get his money back from ebay when clearly he did not receive what he paid for

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by RKH916

Nah he got the set name correct, it's exquisite collection

2004-05 Exquisite Collection - Extra Exquisite

Oh you're right ... Idk I never thought of "Collection" as going with Exquisite but maybe that's just me. Either way he made sure to include "Collection", for a reason? Not sure

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

You can't open a different type of case once a case has been closed.

Thank you, that makes sense.

[MavsRChamps]

Double post

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Terrible situation to be in. I agree with jcard though, not much proof to go on. For educational purposes for anyone reading the replies. What is the appropriate course of action for the seller here if they are an honest seller? Would you just refund the money and go on with your life if someone made these claims and you know you sent the correct card? I would have definitely given as much info to the buyer as I could. No offense to the op but the misspelling of words and the way you write sentences would put me on guard. I don’t understand why you never contacted the seller when it was taking forever to ship? It could just of easily been a postal employee or a comc employee that is the bad actor. I wish eBay was more of a help but what can they realistically do? If they just refund everyone when a complaint is made that’s not good business sense. Op I hope it works out for you. I can only imagine spending that much and not getting what I paid for.

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Regardless, that’s how I would feel right or wrong. Until all the facts are presented and we know 100% what happened, this is all speculation. I don’t get down with mob mentality. If this was the seller making this thread everyone would be saying the buyer had a friend at comc swap the card and 10 people would be agreeing. All I hope is everything is made right and the culprit be held accountable, whoever that may be.

Bold choice to say that in the first place...and then double down when you find out he's not from an English speaking country.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I think we can all agree that eBay sucks. The one thing that's the most unbelievable out of this entire thing is that the OP has no way to get his money back from ebay when clearly he did not receive what he paid for

Yup. eBay should be helping more than they are. I know they have rules, but you'd think they'd take a closer look at this one vs just rattling off the company line.

In the end though, I think most here "know" who the thief is. If he'd just attempted to communicate, that would have gone a long way. That's STILL my biggest red flag. It's "weird" that he was cussing random people out. It's "weird" how he didn't ship for almost 2 weeks. It's "weird" that he seemingly marked out the COMC username. It's "weird" that he's been called out on IG for being a scammer. What isn't weird and screams guilt is a 1 sentence response to a massive issue, saying he doesn't make mistakes...then ghosting the buyer.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Bold choice to say that in the first place...and then double down when you find out he's not from an English speaking country.



Yup. eBay should be helping more than they are. I know they have rules, but you'd think they'd take a closer look at this one vs just rattling off the company line.

In the end though, I think most here "know" who the thief is. If he'd just attempted to communicate, that would have gone a long way. That's STILL my biggest red flag. It's "weird" that he was cussing random people out. It's "weird" how he didn't ship for almost 2 weeks. It's "weird" that he seemingly marked out the COMC username. It's "weird" that he's been called out on IG for being a scammer. What isn't weird and screams guilt is a 1 sentence response to a massive issue, saying he doesn't make mistakes...then ghosting the buyer.

Personally, this is the red flag that matters. An honest person would normally attempt to make the situation right any way they could.

The whole lawsuit thing is just piling on for piling on sake, the negative buyer feedback on ebay just kinda means the guy is a jerk. Lots of people are AHs but that doesn't make them scammers.

My main problem here is the BO mob. Everyone just comes here to scream and yell and pile on and really add nothing of value and then when anyone offers a different viewpoint they get flamed for it.

I don't think it's crazy to suggest that we should have real evidence before calling someone a scammer or a fraud.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Personally, this is the red flag that matters. An honest person would normally attempt to make the situation right any way they could.

The whole lawsuit thing is just piling on for piling on sake, the negative buyer feedback on ebay just kinda means the guy is a jerk. Lots of people are AHs but that doesn't make them scammers.

My main problem here is the BO mob. Everyone just comes here to scream and yell and pile on and really add nothing of value and then when anyone offers a different viewpoint they get flamed for it.

I don't think it's crazy to suggest that we should have real evidence before calling someone a scammer or a fraud.

Yup. I know I'd be bending over backwards trying to help the buyer. I'd also be bending over backwards to help myself. I'd want to be absolved from any wrongdoing.

As far as getting definitive evidence, one way or the other, I doubt that happens...save the seller getting caught with the card etc. There are way to many "moving parts" in this situation...mostly COMC and the USPS.

With that said, in this country you have the RIGHT to be assumed innocent. But the court of public opinion is a whole other beast. I know that my personal opinion is the seller did something wrong. They're already on my blocked eBayer list just based on their response/communication issues. No thank you!

[unreal13]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

You can't open a different type of case once a case has been closed.

You can. I originally opened an Item not Received case, was decided against for the original decision and the appeal. I then opened an Item not as Described case and won. I think the issue here is that you still only have 3 days for trading cards to claim INAD.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by BigAl83

No reply on the case opened, and 3 days to get a reply that he just doesn't make mistakes. At first i didn't immediately think i was being scammed, and was firmly believing it was just a mixup, hoping we could work something out to get the correct card shipped to me.
But after this, yes i do believe i was being scammed.

LOL at "There is no way I would make a mistake like that" and then no response after that. When you're scamming all you can say is "I'm not a scammer". When you're not a scammer you can do a lot more to try to remedy the situation.

I think Occam's Razor applies here, even if the simplest explanation is still a complicated one.

What a mess, thanks for sharing your unfortunate situation OP. Hope it gets resolved somehow.

Also - no way that card doesn't pop up again at some point so I'm sure we'll get another part of the puzzle in the near or distant future.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Bold choice to say that in the first place...and then double down when you find out he's not from an English speaking country.



Yup. eBay should be helping more than they are. I know they have rules, but you'd think they'd take a closer look at this one vs just rattling off the company line.

In the end though, I think most here "know" who the thief is. If he'd just attempted to communicate, that would have gone a long way. That's STILL my biggest red flag. It's "weird" that he was cussing random people out. It's "weird" how he didn't ship for almost 2 weeks. It's "weird" that he seemingly marked out the COMC username. It's "weird" that he's been called out on IG for being a scammer. What isn't weird and screams guilt is a 1 sentence response to a massive issue, saying he doesn't make mistakes...then ghosting the buyer.

He said he was from the Netherlands before I posted. Why didn’t the op claim item not as described? Obviously I’m not doing a simple refund if they are claiming they got a $50 card instead of a $7k one. As the seller you’re going to lose out on the card and money. I’m also assuming the seller is innocent. Innocent until proven guilty you know? Anyway I won’t continue to detract from the ops mission. I hope everything gets resolved.

[Harper]

Hah. Seller response is so shady. “There was no mistake made”??? He definitely meant to send you whatever you received.

He never says he sent the Jordan card. Just that IF he scammed you, it was on purpose and nothing you can do about it. Seems like a taunt

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by mc1

The buyer did not open the package. A 3rd-party received and opened it.

And that's why EBay is siding with the seller.....the buyer cannot prove his claim (i.e. that the card shipped was not the card in the listing), since he did not open the package himself.

It's entire possible that the fraud is being committed by a COMC employee, not the seller.

Moral of the story.....if you're spending big bucks on a card, make sure it is going to go through the authenticity guarantee process!

The fact that the listing did not have the "Authenticity Guarantee" indicator would have caused most buyers to avoid that listing like the plague given the amount of money in question.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And that's why EBay is siding with the seller.....the buyer cannot prove his claim (i.e. that the card shipped was not the card in the listing), since he did not open the package himself.

It's entire possible that the fraud is being committed by a COMC employee, not the seller.

Moral of the story.....if you're spending big bucks on a card, make sure it is going to go through the authenticity guarantee process!

The fact that the listing did not have the "Authenticity Guarantee" indicator would have caused most buyers to avoid that listing like the plague given the amount of money in question.

Trading card category also has a 3-day return window. Apparently seller took over a week to ship the card. Not shady at all!With the username blocked out. Yeah, very normal.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by mc1

Trading card category also has a 3-day return window. Apparently seller took over a week to ship the card. Not shady at all!

The 3-day return window is from the date that tracking shows the buyer receiving the card.

How long the seller took to ship the card has nothing to do with when the return window starts/ends.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The 3-day return window is from the date that tracking shows the buyer receiving the card.

How long the seller took to ship the card has nothing to do with when the return window starts/ends.

Edited my post.

With the username blocked out, very normal. Did that so it would get lost in the system. Very normal, right.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And that's why EBay is siding with the seller.....the buyer cannot prove his claim (i.e. that the card shipped was not the card in the listing), since he did not open the package himself.

It's entire possible that the fraud is being committed by a COMC employee, not the seller.

Moral of the story.....if you're spending big bucks on a card, make sure it is going to go through the authenticity guarantee process!

The fact that the listing did not have the "Authenticity Guarantee" indicator would have caused most buyers to avoid that listing like the plague given the amount of money in question.

The irony here is that’s actually a more trustworthy way to evidence the card in the package being different.

If all we had is the end buyer claiming the card inside was different, that’s so easily susceptible to major shenanigans- for one, a buyer could simply say that. Even if he took a video of himself opening it, means nothing- he could just tape up a package and “open” it on camera.

As opposed to a 3rd party, unbiased major consignment company ebay itself has partnerships with. That should help the OPs case, not hurt it, in an ideal world. It is near ludicrous to suggest COMC is doing shenanigans here, talk about Occam’s razor to the nth degree.

In fact, if this was sent direct to OP and all we had in this thread was him saying he got a different card…there would be lingering doubts…who knows who’s telling the true truth. But since the OP posted about the COMC aspect and picture…most of us do immediately see OP in fact didn’t get the card. That itself is telling. That’s the difference the trusted 3rd party makes.

As for should have made sure it went through eBay AG by contacting the seller, I agree…it’s an expensive lesson learned, and I hope OP does try to have USPS (maybe COMC too, since ebays not doing anything helpful) investigate into this to the fullest extent possible.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

He said he was from the Netherlands before I posted. Why didn’t the op claim item not as described? Obviously I’m not doing a simple refund if they are claiming they got a $50 card instead of a $7k one. As the seller you’re going to lose out on the card and money. I’m also assuming the seller is innocent. Innocent until proven guilty you know? Anyway I won’t continue to detract from the ops mission. I hope everything gets resolved.

Where they speak Dutch my friend, Dutch, not English. Now, do most people there speak English? Sure. But it's a second language, nonetheless.

As far as proving the seller guilty without question, that'll probably never happen. Save him trying to sell the card or being associated with someone who is selling the card.

And that's fine you think he's innocent. That'd be your right. That's why we typically have a jury system in place(for most things). Between the two of us, it's sounding like there would be hung jury .

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The irony here is that’s actually a more trustworthy way to evidence the card in the package being different.

If all we had is the end buyer claiming the card inside was different, that’s so easily susceptible to major shenanigans- for one, a buyer could simply say that. Even if he took a video of himself opening it, means nothing- he could just tape up a package and “open” it on camera.

As opposed to a 3rd party, unbiased major consignment company ebay itself has partnerships with. That should help the OPs case, not hurt it, in an ideal world. It is near ludicrous to suggest COMC is doing shenanigans here, talk about Occam’s razor to the nth degree.

In fact, if this was sent direct to OP and all we had in this thread was him saying he got a different card…there would be lingering doubts…who knows who’s telling the true truth. But since the OP posted about the COMC aspect and picture…most of us do immediately see OP in fact didn’t get the card. That itself is telling. That’s the difference the trusted 3rd party makes.

You're ignoring the fact that everything you said with regards to the OP opening the package "on camera" applies equally to COMC.....you have no idea when that photo was taken or by whom. It would be easy for a nefarious COMC employee (and you'd be very naive to think that they don't have a few given the number of people they employ) to steal the card and replace it with the card in the photo.

The reality is that all we know is that at some point the card was switched out.....but we have no idea if it was done by the original seller, a USPS employee, or a COMC employee.

[Blazed]

A lot of people defending the seller pretty hard, but if they were in the position the OP is in....

Roles reversed type stuff

Originally Posted by mfw13

You're ignoring the fact that everything you said with regards to the OP opening the package "on camera" applies equally to COMC.....you have no idea when that photo was taken or by whom. It would be easy for a nefarious COMC employee (and you'd be very naive to think that they don't have a few given the number of people they employ) to steal the card and replace it with the card in the photo.

The reality is that all we know is that at some point the card was switched out.....but we have no idea if it was done by the original seller, a USPS employee, or a COMC employee.

Wouldn't be easy, almost impossible but not totally

They would have to go outside the receiving area to do it

[Blazed]

6 pages of bs so far

The post office has scans of the package

Pretty easy to see at what point the username was covered up, just sayin

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Blazed

A lot of people defending the seller pretty hard, but if they were in the position the OP is in....

Not defending the seller....just pointing out reasons why EBay did not agree to refund the OP based on the evidence provided.

People seem to forget that EBay is just as focused on protecting sellers from bad buyers as it is on protecting buyers from bad sellers.

Let's not forget that it's just as easy for a buyer to screw over a seller by falsely claiming not to have received the correct card as it is for a seller to screw over a buyer by intentionally shipping the wrong card.

EBay's systems have to be able to deal with both possibilities.

[Archangel1775]

1. File a police report within the seller's city. Do it quickly. The more records, the better (*This is also a requirement for later recovery since its serial numbered)
2. File a complaint at the USPS Post Office where the package was first scanned. The more records, the better. (Simply, it spotlights the owner of the local business)(Maybe a Postal Inspector will come out)
3. Assume the seller is reading this thread. There are other important actions to take but you can't post them allowing them to get ahead.

Also, if anyone is at the National, eBay is there and I'm sure COMC. If someone wants to be a Good Samaritan an approach them with this thread, that would be helpful. There has to be a way for those two companies to work together to resolve this case. Any responsible YT content creators out there that would be interested? I know of a few that post similar cases.

Also, out the seller's username at the least. It puts pressure on them and really both parties if their side of the story is told and ends up being different.

[unreal13]

One more thing that doesn't look great for the seller is the package weight shows as 3.0oz on the USPS Proof of Delivery. I confirmed with the clerk while dropping off at my local PO today that the weight listed on the POD comes from the weight obtained at the P&DC for all postal products. USPS documentation also clearly states that Recipient name and Destination address are the only fields provided by the shipper or at package acceptance on the POD Letter, not Package weight.

You can't even enter the package weight when printing a flat rate label on eBay using the Carrier packaging selection. A small flat rate box by itself weighs 1.6oz. Add a Beckett slab with just a Chrome card and it's already up to 4.1oz without any additional packaging material. What does weigh about 3.0oz is a small flat rate box with a chrome stock card in a toploader and a little bit of extra packaging material for protection...

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by TeeBee12

Didn’t read the entire snafu, but just wanted to chime in for a solid purchase plan to thwart these kinda things. I’ve had everything from fake mx psa slabs, same zip but diff address (to circumnavigate automated denials in cases), to “oops I mixed up packages”. So here’s my process, but I do not ever recommend 3rd party vaults. Get an llc and resale cert for so many obvious reasons. If you don’t, you’re doing it all wrong. Think the farmers wife’s side hustle-bead-business in “the accountant”. Saved the farm. But I digress.

So, forget eBay being the decider. Your banking institution is. So layer it.

first thing is use an American Express. Easy appeals. They are a buyers card vs debit or anything visa that ultimately protects vendors.

Next link that AMEX to PayPal. Provides an extra appeals level. You can not use AMEX directly through eBay anyways. Wonder why?

Then pay for your purchase thru PayPal funded by your AMEX.

Then burn your bridges accordingly.

First through eBay. But they have rules. But not your rules.

When they auto deny it or pull this loophole sh!t, call PayPal.

It should stop there. But even if it doesn’t, AMEX will. They are pros at spotting scams and sucking the money back from PayPal who ultimately sucks it back from eBay. You will have to provide the necessary correspondence and keep up w/ your case, but it will be credited (the second you report it) as the buyer obviously will not be able to provide proof that they delivered the goods sold. Plus you get points. If you use the llc business Amex you’re even protected automatically to additional levels depending on your state.

Then top it off. Figure out an online banking card that allows you to pay Amex with a decent 1% rewards program. More points. If you wanna kick it up an additional notch, use a rebate website to login in to eBay and purchase. You’ll get a check every quarter outta the blue. In this case $72. And a quasi-additional layer to your bean dip purchase plan.

Caveat emptor. Protect your neck & sh!t.

The most underrated comment in this post. Protect yourself with layers of safety.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by unreal13

One more thing that doesn't look great for the seller is the package weight shows as 3.0oz on the USPS Proof of Delivery. I confirmed with the clerk while dropping off at my local PO today that the weight listed on the POD comes from the weight obtained at the P&DC for all postal products. USPS documentation also clearly states that Recipient name and Destination address are the only fields provided by the shipper or at package acceptance on the POD Letter, not Package weight.

You can't even enter the package weight when printing a flat rate label on eBay using the Carrier packaging selection. A small flat rate box by itself weighs 1.6oz. Add a Beckett slab with just a Chrome card and it's already up to 4.1oz without any additional packaging material. What does weigh about 3.0oz is a small flat rate box with a chrome stock card in a toploader and a little bit of extra packaging material for protection...

Boom.