Who is the best CENTER? Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Bill Russell ? - Page 6

Quigley24 · 12-23-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amazingpacks

Have a dunk contest. He probably would have tried to take off from THE TOP OF THE KEY.

or a standing(NO RUN) dunk from the free throw line.

I recall reading in a book that he was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving that half circle. Even though Russell was an incredible athlete, I don't think anyone else in NBA history could do such a thing.

WillC · 12-23-2013, 05:00 PM

Bill Russell...

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Bill Russell...

exactly... there's not a single center on this list that wasn't physically and athletically gifted. they were all unfair match-ups that's why they're all on this list and all being considered the greatest centers of all time. where's my man willis reed? his intangibles are right up there! not to mention he had pretty good stats too, and played thru injury

WillC · 12-23-2013, 05:09 PM

You ask and you shall get...

Willis Reed dunking on my man Bill Russell.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

You ask and you shall get...

Willis Reed dunking on my man Bill Russell.

awesome!!

i'm saying, you can take all these dudes, give me the captain and my team will be right there! Great defender, great mid range shooter, great leader. so good of a mid range shooter one of the greatest defenders of all time bill russell bit on the pump fake!

WillC · 12-23-2013, 05:12 PM

Whatever, I'm still taking Bill Russell

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Whatever, I'm still taking Bill Russell

haha can't go wrong there! i would probably take bill russell too, i was just trying to play devils advocate for wilt and the people that try and discredit him based on myths.

but again, i'd also take willis, heck or i'd take the 73 knicks against any team assembled! or maybe the 73 knicks with a young willis

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 05:18 PM

There is so much lore and myth surrounding Wilt Chamberlain.
Every year the legend builds.

He was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving the half circle?
Anybody with half a brain can plainly see that is an exaggeration.

Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player.

I have no doubt he was a great player, but it amazes me that people spout off word of mouth rumors that they read on wikipedia as if they have a first hand account of Wilt's greatness.

WillC · 12-23-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player.

There was this thing called 'radio' back in those days...

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

There is so much lore and myth surrounding Wilt Chamberlain.
Every year the legend builds.

He was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving the half circle?
Anybody with half a brain can plainly see that is an exaggeration.

Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player.

I have no doubt he was a great player, but it amazes me that people spout off word of mouth rumors that they read on wikipedia as if they have a first hand account of Wilt's greatness.

I mean the radio broadcast exists unless that was just a sham lol. Does it really seem far fetched that someone who took that many shots and shot such a high percentage could score 100 points?

I understand there is a lot of lore surrounding him, but people use myth to discount him too. It's a lot like Lebron to me, he can't possibly be as good as people make him out to be lol. They're both overrated, they're not gods. But seriously the same argument you have against people praising him who didn't see him play directly applies to you diminishing him even tho you never saw him play! It's the same thing.

patriots · 12-23-2013, 05:26 PM

When in doubt, go with the guy who has more rings than fingers.

forgiven1 · 12-23-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

There is so much lore and myth surrounding Wilt Chamberlain.
Every year the legend builds.

He was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving the half circle?
Anybody with half a brain can plainly see that is an exaggeration.

Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player.

I have no doubt he was a great player, but it amazes me that people spout off word of mouth rumors that they read on wikipedia as if they have a first hand account of Wilt's greatness.

LMAO!... Are you serious?!.... There was radio and plenty of people witnessing the 100 pt game... You sound like Gio now!....Reaching and grasping for straws!....LOL... I heard it all now!.... Thanks for the laughs... You should have been a comedian!....

WillC · 12-23-2013, 05:30 PM

Talking of which, I don't believe that Kobe scored 81 points against the Raptors. It's so easy these days to create fake videos. I think it was done in Movie Maker.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by patriots

When in doubt, go with the guy who has more rings than fingers.

easy to say especially when he's your guy

but those teams were stacked. and there were a lot of other variables involved in the other guys not winning as many rings. i.e. michael jordan. like i said, easy to say, but not fair.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Talking of which, I don't believe that Kobe scored 81 points against the Raptors. It's so easy these days to create fake videos. I think it was done in Movie Maker.

HAH i was going to say the same thing!!!

forgiven1 · 12-23-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WillC

Talking of which, I don't believe that Kobe scored 81 points against the Raptors. It's so easy these days to create fake videos. I think it was done in Movie Maker.

LMAO!..... Good one!...

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 05:40 PM

Continue to worship a man you know next to nothing about.
I don't know why I attempt to have reasonable discussions on these forums.

I have seen zero evidence that anybody here knows much about Wilt Chamberlain other than the most common of knowledge.

I just think that everyone here knows very little about Wilt Chamberlain, which is why in my opinion it is stupid to vote for him in this poll.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

Continue to worship a man you know next to nothing about.
I don't know why I attempt to have reasonable discussions on these forums.

I have seen zero evidence that anybody here knows much about Wilt Chamberlain other than the most common of knowledge.

I just think that everyone here knows very little about Wilt Chamberlain, which is why in my opinion it is stupid to vote for him in this poll.

I gotcha, so you're allowed to discredit wilt based on the same reasons some people aren't allowed to praise him. makes perfect sense. oh, they didn't see him play but they think he's soooo great. you didn't see him play but you think he's overrated, and that's what counts! got it! And for the record i don't worship the man, i'm not sure he was the greatest of all time, but i think it's silly to discredit him for the things he achieved and just completely discount him based on rumor.

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Knicker_Please

I gotcha, so you're allowed to discredit wilt based on the same reasons some people aren't allowed to praise him. makes perfect sense. oh, they didn't see him play but they think he's soooo great. you didn't see him play but you think he's overrated, and that's what counts! got it! And for the record i don't worship the man, i'm not sure he was the greatest of all time, but i think it's silly to discredit him for the things he achieved and just completely discount him based on rumor.

For the 5000th time, I'm not discrediting him. I just haven't seen anyone here show much knowledge on the subject.

You claimed that Wilt played during a time when there were plenty of other 7 footers, which I already debunked with actual facts.

His stats were inflated by being in a mostly white NBA comprised of shorter, weaker players (especially during the years he was most dominant). His stiffest competition was Bill Russell, who was 3 inches shorter and 70 Lbs lighter.

amazingpacks · 12-23-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

There is so much lore and myth surrounding Wilt Chamberlain.
Every year the legend builds.

He was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving the half circle?
Anybody with half a brain can plainly see that is an exaggeration.

Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player.

I have no doubt he was a great player, but it amazes me that people spout off word of mouth rumors that they read on wikipedia as if they have a first hand account of Wilt's greatness.

LOL. .. . . . . . .. .. . . There is more concrete evidence that wilt scored 100pts in a real NBA game then NASA actually landing men on the moon. LOL.

LOL

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by amazingpacks

LOL. .. . . . . . .. .. . . There is more concrete evidence that wilt scored 100pts in a real NBA game then NASA actually landing men on the moon. LOL.

LOL

I'm not refuting that he scored 100 points. You have the IQ of a rock.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

For the 5000th time, I'm not discrediting him. I just haven't seen anyone here show much knowledge on the subject.

You claimed that Wilt played during a time when there were plenty of other 7 footers, which I already debunked with actual facts.

His stats were inflated by being in a mostly white NBA comprised of shorter, weaker players (especially during the years he was most dominant). His stiffest competition was Bill Russell, who was 3 inches shorter and 70 Lbs lighter.

and you claimed that wilt was the only 7 footer in the league. there were, per my list, a lot of tall people in the nba. he didn't dwarf everyone. and what does a lot of people being white have to do with it? you keep saying that lol. being tall isn't the end all of being a great basketball player. willis reed won championships against him and he was 3 inches shorter too. you still have to know how to play ball even if you have 2-3 inches on most people in the league. like i said, ALL of these centers were gifted in that regard, and they didn't go up against each other every day. they had plenty of games ALL OF THEM against smaller weaker opponents.

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Knicker_Please

and you claimed that wilt was the only 7 footer in the league. there were, per my list, a lot of tall people in the nba. he didn't dwarf everyone. and what does a lot of people being white have to do with it? you keep saying that lol. being tall isn't the end all of being a great basketball player. willis reed won championships against him and he was 3 inches shorter too. you still have to know how to play ball even if you have 2-3 inches on most people in the league. like i said, ALL of these centers were gifted in that regard, and they didn't go up against each other every day. they had plenty of games ALL OF THEM against smaller weaker opponents.

Hence my point.

Put Dwight Howard up against Gordon Hayward, and lets see how well he does.

Knicker_Please · 12-23-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

Hence my point.

Put Dwight Howard up against Gordon Hayward, and lets see how well he does.

all the players on this list were physically dominant is my point, they all had plenty of games against weaker smaller 'white' opponents. not just wilt.

Jopeal · 12-23-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Knicker_Please

all the players on this list were physically dominant is my point, they all had plenty of games against weaker smaller 'white' opponents. not just wilt.

So you don't concede that Shaq & Hakeem played during an era with far more low post competition than Wilt & Russell?

The evidence is right in front of you but you refuse to look at it.

Wilt was regularly matched against white guys in the 6'7-6'9 range, and yes their ethnicity is relevant. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that caucasians are for the most part less athletic than african americans.

Was Wilt a great player? IMO yes, but his inflated stats at the beginning of his career are a product of the competition (or lack of) as much as his own ability.

View Poll Results: Who is the best CENTER? Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Bill Russell ?
Wilt Chamberlain	70	33.18%
Shaquille O'neal	44	20.85%
Kareem Abdul Jabbar	22	10.43%
Hakeem Olajuwon	32	15.17%
Bill Russell	43	20.38%
Voters: 211. You may not vote on this poll

12-23-2013, 05:00 PM	#127
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12-23-2013, 05:09 PM	#129
WillC Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,998	You ask and you shall get... Willis Reed dunking on my man Bill Russell. __________________ IG: ChronologyCollector Do you have any rare Chronology autos or inscriptions? If so, PM me.

12-23-2013, 05:12 PM	#131
WillC Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,998	Whatever, I'm still taking Bill Russell __________________ IG: ChronologyCollector Do you have any rare Chronology autos or inscriptions? If so, PM me.

12-23-2013, 05:30 PM	#138
WillC Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,998	Talking of which, I don't believe that Kobe scored 81 points against the Raptors. It's so easy these days to create fake videos. I think it was done in Movie Maker. __________________ IG: ChronologyCollector Do you have any rare Chronology autos or inscriptions? If so, PM me.

12-23-2013, 05:18 PM	#133
Jopeal Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: RI Posts: 8,153 dr.jopeal	There is so much lore and myth surrounding Wilt Chamberlain. Every year the legend builds. He was able to dunk from behind the free throw line without leaving the half circle? Anybody with half a brain can plainly see that is an exaggeration. Do you know what evidence exists of Wilt's 100 point game? The picture of him holding up that piece of paper with "100" written on it. There is no footage, just a single picture of him holding up a piece of paper. That is a tribute to how little we know about Wilt Chamberlain the basketball player. I have no doubt he was a great player, but it amazes me that people spout off word of mouth rumors that they read on wikipedia as if they have a first hand account of Wilt's greatness.

12-23-2013, 05:26 PM	#136
patriots Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 751	When in doubt, go with the guy who has more rings than fingers.

12-23-2013, 05:40 PM	#142
Jopeal Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: RI Posts: 8,153 dr.jopeal	Continue to worship a man you know next to nothing about. I don't know why I attempt to have reasonable discussions on these forums. I have seen zero evidence that anybody here knows much about Wilt Chamberlain other than the most common of knowledge. I just think that everyone here knows very little about Wilt Chamberlain, which is why in my opinion it is stupid to vote for him in this poll.