Who do you think will be NL MVP? - Page 6

TarjetasBéisbol · 09-10-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Cespedes definitely entering the conversation. Not bad for a guy who keeps getting traded.

Why do people even think Cespedes is entering the conversation for NL MVP? He has played in only 36 NL games and there is no way he will be more than an honorable mention near the bottom, IF he can keep up his current pace.

jstasyk1121 · 09-10-2015, 04:49 PM

Exactly...cespedes been awesome...but to vote for him you are voting for .310 14hr 36rbi....that's it...is that mvp deserving over harper?? Lol

death2redemptions · 09-10-2015, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

Exactly...cespedes been awesome...but to vote for him you are voting for .310 14hr 36rbi....that's it...is that mvp deserving over harper?? Lol

I do believe in those 36 games Cespedes was far more valuable than what Harper has done for the Nationals. Not only because the Nats won't be making the playoffs but before the Mets got Cespedes their offense was REALLY struggling and they weren't a shoe-in for the playoffs. Almost immediately Cespedes turned their offense around and they kept winning.

But at the same time, I agree that him being in the NL for such a short time will probably keep him from winning the MVP. On top of that Harper has had such an incredible season that being on a non contending team may not even matter.

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Why do people even think Cespedes is entering the conversation for NL MVP? He has played in only 36 NL games and there is no way he will be more than an honorable mention near the bottom, IF he can keep up his current pace.

Didn't know the MVP award was based on stats? I thought it was awarded to the player who was Most Valuable Player to their team? Again I could be wrong. If stats mattered then ALOT of the MVP awards need to be taken away.

Wolves4Life · 09-10-2015, 05:37 PM

Rizzo should be #1.

jstasyk1121 · 09-10-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

Didn't know the MVP award was based on stats? I thought it was awarded to the player who was Most Valuable Player to their team? Again I could be wrong. If stats mattered then ALOT of the MVP awards need to be taken away.

What value did he provide for the first 110 games??? His stats or value or whatever u feel like measuring for the award was ZERO for 70% of the Mets games...

JustinVerlander07 · 09-10-2015, 05:38 PM

Bryce Harper is the correct answer.

JMPKCP · 09-10-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Cespedes?!?!?!

Sure, give the NL MVP to a guy who has played over 100 games in the AL this year. That's gonna happen. Play a third of the year in the NL and get the MVP. These forums are an endless source of entertainment.

I'm just going to quote my own post here...because the more that people even mention Cespedes' name, the more ridiculous it gets. He will not win the NL MVP. It's not even a possibility. Can we just end the madness now?

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

What value did he provide for the first 110 games??? His stats or value or whatever u feel like measuring for the award was ZERO for 70% of the Mets games...

What value does a player provide if his team doesn't make the play offs?

speedyjg13 · 09-10-2015, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

What value does a player provide if his team doesn't make the play offs?

A Harper fanatic please answer this....let's turn our attention towards Rizzo, Grenkie, towards a player who makes a difference and helps the team make the playoffs

Andrew Jones · 09-10-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

What value does a player provide if his team doesn't make the play offs?

In Harper's case, 8.6 wins thus far in 2015.

metsandweezer · 09-10-2015, 05:50 PM

Bryce Harper is getting it. There should be no argument.

JustinVerlander07 · 09-10-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

What value does a player provide if his team doesn't make the play offs?

9 wins above replacement level, apparently.

death2redemptions · 09-10-2015, 05:55 PM

mlb.com just posted an article by Richard Justice about the possibility of Cespedes getting the MVP:

Justice: Yoenis' Cespedes impact on Mets | MLB.com

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

A Harper fanatic please answer this....let's turn our attention towards Rizzo, Grenkie, towards a player who makes a difference and helps the team make the playoffs

I like Rizzo more so than Harper

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

In Harper's case, 8.6 wins thus far in 2015.

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Originally Posted by metsandweezer

Bryce Harper is getting it. There should be no argument.

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

9 wins above replacement level, apparently.

Awesome!!!!!! Guess they need to go back and change all CY and MVP awards to match to BEST SEASON STATS award. Listen , I know YC has no shot but all the people saying Harper is a shoo in are being foolish.

JustinVerlander07 · 09-10-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

I like Rizzo more so than Harper

Awesome!!!!!! Guess they need to go back and change all CY and MVP awards to match to BEST SEASON STATS award. Listen , I know YC has no shot but all the people saying Harper is a shoo in are being foolish.

Take Jacob DeGrom off the Mets, is Cespedes still your MVP? Mets might not be in 1st anymore.

Take Arrieta off the Cubs, is Rizzo still your MVP? Cubs might not be a playoff team anymore.

Andrew Jones · 09-10-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

Awesome!!!!!! Guess they need to go back and change all CY and MVP awards to match to BEST SEASON STATS award. Listen , I know YC has no shot but all the people saying Harper is a shoo in are being foolish.

No, the foolish thing is claiming and/or intimating that a player whose team misses the playoffs is not valuable. If Andre Dawson can win the MVP on a last place team, Bryce Harper is most certainly deserving of the award regardless of whether or not his team makes the playoffs.

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Take Jacob DeGrom off the Mets, is Cespedes still your MVP? Mets might not be in 1st anymore.

Ok take Sherzer off the Nats , same game.

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

No, the foolish thing is claiming and/or intimating that a player whose team misses the playoffs is not valuable. If Andre Dawson can win the MVP on a last place team, Bryce Harper is most certainly deserving of the award regardless of whether or not his team makes the playoffs.

Of course hes deserving but hes NO shoo in.

BTW love the 87 reference , one of the best years of MLB in my youth.

bedot · 09-10-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

I like Rizzo more so than Harper

Awesome!!!!!! Guess they need to go back and change all CY and MVP awards to match to BEST SEASON STATS award. Listen , I know YC has no shot but all the people saying Harper is a shoo in are being foolish.

Actually that would make the most sense. It's baseball, the game based on stats more so than any other sport in the world.

JustinVerlander07 · 09-10-2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

Ok take Sherzer off the Nats , same game.

YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT!

1 teammate is the difference between you thinking who is more valuable than the other?

So you're saying Bryce Harper should not be in the top 10 of the MVP voting because his team is not in the playoffs, correct?

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT!

1 teammate is the difference between you thinking who is more valuable than the other?

So you're saying Bryce Harper should not be in the top 10 of the MVP voting because his team is not in the playoffs, correct?

Wow! When did I ever say hes not top 10?
EDIT : Hes def on top and will most likely win it but what Im saying is hes NOT a shoo in.

JustinVerlander07 · 09-10-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

Wow! When did I ever say hes not top 10?

I was actually asking you a question, bud. Surely if he's not valuable enough because his teammates didn't help to a playoff berth, he had no value at all, right? They didn't make the playoffs, so how valuable could he be, right?

Or is he just valuable enough to finish 2nd, but not 1st because of his teammates?

Syndygaard · 09-10-2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

Didn't know the MVP award was based on stats? I thought it was awarded to the player who was Most Valuable Player to their team? Again I could be wrong. If stats mattered then ALOT of the MVP awards need to be taken away.

Peoples rationale for what MVP means is getting more and more ridiculous every year. First people were all about the WAR bs. How does one determine how valuable a player is to their team? This thing called stats.

xDomePatrolx · 09-10-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I was actually asking you a question, bud. Surely if he's not valuable enough because his teammates didn't help to a playoff berth, he had no value at all, right? They didn't make the playoffs, so how valuable could he be, right?

Or is he just valuable enough to finish 2nd, but not 1st because of his teammates?

Well then lets make it the MVTM award right? Most valuable teammate award.

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JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 17,425 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	Bryce Harper is the correct answer. __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

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jstasyk1121 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,399 jbstasyk1121	Exactly...cespedes been awesome...but to vote for him you are voting for .310 14hr 36rbi....that's it...is that mvp deserving over harper?? Lol

09-10-2015, 05:37 PM	#130
Wolves4Life Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 12,458	Rizzo should be #1.

09-10-2015, 05:50 PM	#137
metsandweezer Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 13,213 Cascardo4	Bryce Harper is getting it. There should be no argument.

09-10-2015, 05:55 PM	#139
death2redemptions Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Creeping in mama's cellar Posts: 59,303 ddavisaz	mlb.com just posted an article by Richard Justice about the possibility of Cespedes getting the MVP: Justice: Yoenis' Cespedes impact on Mets \| MLB.com