Does Durant ever get back on top?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Please define "skills".

I'm really interested to see what you're going to come up with because you haven't really made much sense up to this point.

the easiest way to put it for you to understand is stephen curry would win a basketball skills challenge. do you understand what basketball skills are? they are similiar to the contest on allstar weekend.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

the easiest way to put it for you to understand is stephen curry would win a basketball skills challenge. do you understand what basketball skills are? they are similiar to the contest on allstar weekend.

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.

of course lebrons stats are high, he runs every team he's on, that's the whole point, the game of basketball is bigger than just being a one man team putting up gaudy stats and not getting it done at the end of the day. buddy needs allstar caliber players by his side to win, that should tell you something about skill, if he's so dominant and makes all these guys so much better why is it that he fails alot of the time in getting it done? he's a great player with great athletic talent, but it takes more than just that to create a dynasty which they have been trying to emulate for the longest by pairing him with greatness and he can't get it done. curry got it done with great guys on his team, that says alot about him as a player, durant and lebron couldn't get it done with great people on there team, running down the court and scoring 40 with 15 rebounds just won't get it done man, and it's been proven time and time again. he turned kevin love into a regular LOW double double guy he didn't improve his game.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?

stephen curry won the championship last year so he must be better than lebron and durant by your own definition right? man you set yourself up for that one.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

of course lebrons stats are high, he runs every team he's on, that's the whole point, the game of basketball is bigger than just being a one man team putting up gaudy stats and not getting it done at the end of the day. buddy needs allstar caliber players by his side to win, that should tell you something about skill, if he's so dominant and makes all these guys so much better why is it that he fails alot of the time in getting it done? he's a great player with great athletic talent, but it takes more than just that to create a dynasty which they have been trying to emulate for the longest by pairing him with greatness and he can't get it done. curry got it done with great guys on his team, that says alot about him as a player, durant and lebron couldn't get it done with great people on there team, running down the court and scoring 40 with 15 rebounds just won't get it done man, and it's been proven time and time again. he turned kevin love into a regular LOW double double guy he didn't improve his game.

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.

Originally Posted by Qwasian

stephen curry won the championship last year so he must be better than lebron and durant by your own definition right? man you set yourself up for that one.

Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.



Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

your just making up stuff I didn't say at this point...............

you made a claim that since someone wins something they are the best, that's not something I said or agree with, but I said if that's true then you killed your own statement because curry won the title.

you are trying to prove that curry isn't the best player, so what he's just lucky he won the title or what? just like patrick beverly is lucky he won the skill challenge? your just making up false scenarios that make no sense at this point........

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.



Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

your just making up stuff I didn't say at this point...............

you made a claim that since someone wins something they are the best, that's not something I said or agree with, but I said if that's true then you killed your own statement because curry won the title.

you are trying to prove that curry isn't the best player, so what he's just lucky he won the title or what? just like patrick beverly is lucky he won the skill challenge? your just making up false scenarios that make no sense at this point........

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. The saddest part is that I don't think you even realize that what you're saying makes no sense.

I never said anything about "since someone wins something they are the best" so you're the one making things up.

Originally Posted by tjforce

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

I didn't see this cause I was writing my post lol but seriously, it's like debating with one of those pull string dolls that just keeps saying the same things over and over again lmao

[elee712]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.

I'm just mentioning the three facets I see in basketball...
skill
athleticism
drive/motivation

everything should fit in at least one of these caregories, some in multiple

if you in the top in all three, chances are you are probably considered a top player in the league

Obviously Lebron has it in all three so there's no disputing he's on of the top. Nobody's saying LeBron sucks.

As far as the shooting percentage, curry shoots a lot of 3s and a lot of Lebron's shots are in the paint so it doesn't surprise me he has a better shooting percentage but to even be that close given the type of shots each takes says something. That's why Curry might finish this season with the highest efficiency rating is NBA History.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by elee712

I'm just mentioning the three facets I see in basketball...
skill
athleticism
drive/motivation

everything should fit in at least one of these caregories, some in multiple

if you in the top in all three, chances are you are probably considered a top player in the league

Obviously Lebron has it in all three so there's no disputing he's on of the top. Nobody's saying LeBron sucks.

As far as the shooting percentage, curry shoots a lot of 3s and a lot of Lebron's shots are in the paint so it doesn't surprise me he has a better shooting percentage but to even be that close given the type of shots each takes says something. That's why Curry might finish this season with the highest efficiency rating is NBA History.

That's fine.... and if the question is who is the better 3 pt shooter, it's Curry all day. But the debate turned into whether or not Lebron is skilled or just an athlete. Giannis is a guy who you could say is just an amazing athlete at this point. Lebron is an all time great, and you don't become an all time great without being skilled.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by tjforce

That's fine.... and if the question is who is the better 3 pt shooter, it's Curry all day. But the debate turned into whether or not Lebron is skilled or just an athlete. Giannis is a guy who you could say is just an amazing athlete at this point. Lebron is an all time great, and you don't become an all time great without being skilled.

I agree with that although I don't think anybody really believes Lebron is all athlete and no skill. The debate as I saw it was who was more skilled out of Lebron and Curry.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I never said anything about "since someone wins something they are the best" so you're the one making things up.

i'll just leave this here..........

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

there are intangibles to a team winning a championship that lebron doesn't have, it's really just that simple, he needs a ton of things clicking his way for him to win a championship, his 40 points is nothing like a jordan 40 points or a steph curry 40 points, and I think we all know that's obvious, his 40 points is regular, jordan or steph's 40 points are amazing games. because they control the game into a win, lebron is just physical and hope he wins, there is a huge difference.

a guy can get 30 dunks and score 60 points..........

and another guy can get 3 pointers, 2 pointers, assists, and have a team effort to 60 points and the second guy is a more complete, skilled player.

lebron just puts the team on his back, constantly, which is also a certain type of skill, but it's athleticism not high IQ & skillset with a basketball.

like everyone keeps saying, every team would take him as a player, how many would take him as a coach or GM? *MINDBLOWN*.......... but I thought he had this high basketball IQ right?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

i'll just leave this here..........

Add sarcasm to the list of things you don't understand.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Add sarcasm to the list of things you don't understand.

I know, when you are trying to win a debate you make up stuff, lie, blame, call it sarcasm, whatever it is, you still weren't correct though...... it's cool.....

you got so into the debate you didn't even know what you said, and said you didn't say it.... so what more really needs to be said? you proved yourself you don't know what your talking about.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Because a good chunk of his shots in the paint (non-RA) are 7-10' back down fade aways, he dribbles the clock out and takes lots of low percentage shots which is really frustrating to watch.

I just looked at the shot charts and Curry makes alot of free throw line floaters and jumpers

With Lebron's physical advantages he gets to basically choose what area of the court he shoots from. He can post up and players at his position or take them off the dribble. The fact that he cant finish in the paint better then Curry really is strange.

Another strange thing that Lebron fans keep brining up is career percentages and numbers. Career wise no one is arguing that Curry is better then Lebron. People are saying that Curry has become the best player in the league over the last year or so. Its not that far-fetched of an argument.

Too many homers and trolls from both sides that cant debate intelligently.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

As crazy as it sounds, I think you're undervaluing your team. There are few players in the history of the game that can go on a scoring run like klay can and how many players can come off the bench and earn finals mvp? The Warriors are much more then a brilliant steph curry.

see what I mean now?
With Curry, I would have no doubt Warriors would be up at half against these Mavs and likely with a decent lead.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by elee712

see what I mean now?
With Curry, I would have no doubt Warriors would be up at half against these Mavs and likely with a decent lead.

Well the Warriors are missing several players so the rotation is messed up. The Warriors offense isn't getting them beat, it's their defense. But it does hurt when your two best players are a combined 6-22. Or Dallas just cant miss? But yes, playing without curry is hurting them.

[Thebirdman321]

Came here to see if people thought Durant could get back on top.... But just like every thread on here I saw the Curry vs. Lebron debate.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Well the Warriors are missing several players so the rotation is messed up. The Warriors offense isn't getting them beat, it's their defense. But it does hurt when your two best players are a combined 6-22. Or Dallas just cant miss? But yes, playing without curry is hurting them.

I like Klay but he can never be the best player on a good team. He is just too hot and cold.
besides curry's scoring abilities, he just gets people easier and better shots. On top of that, Opponents defense works harder trying to stop Steph which affects them on the offensive end.
People say that the team is just deep and not giving Curry much credit for the success of the team but without him, they will look like they do now against the Mavs more often than not.
Warriors have dominated the Mavs the past several years...the reason for them performing like this now is no secret.

[bdoody42]

Klay and Draymond each shoot 4-15......Curry is the catalyst for this team. He makes the whole offense go.

[asujbl]

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

I agree it's foolish to think that Irving be out last year wasn't a factor. Cleveland would have been able to score more if he plays. That being said just because he plays doesn't guarantee a win for Cleveland. He isn't on the same level as Curry. Irving has never proven he could lead a team steam to the playoffs as the number one option.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

Better comparison is if Cleveland did not have lebron. Losing Kyrie wouldn't make nearly the same impact. That would be like the warriors losing klay... and as you saw the warriors were still able to win.

[JasonM32]

Curry vs Lebron arguments seem to be the new Lebron vs Kobe.

Anyway....

Durant is an otherworldly scorer and seems like a great teammate. Winning, not so much. Basketball IQ, questionable. Injuries and the emergence of other stars have derailed his hype machine. Unfortunately, the NBA hype machine is almost as important as your game. I think Durant needs to play with a true point guard that will lead the team and pass him the ball. Everybody can see it but playing with Westbrook is hurting him.