The Official Kobe Bryant Thread

[sportsyard]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think the 28-30% doesn't apply to this card because it is so condition sensitive.

PSA 10 rate:

Topps: 16.9%
Chrome: 14.7%
Refractor: 15.6%
NBA @ 50: 8.9%

Ya, I was looking at that stuff as well. It seems like this is actually a pretty interesting long term Kobe play... I like buying 3-4 of a particular card and sitting on them rather then a lot of different cards. Did this with the Jordan Nike card because it was rare and looked cool. Looking for a similar Kobe play

[aaronking23]

Originally Posted by Brent72

I thought the Flair Showcase Row 0 was a somewhat rare card, but I just looked and there are currently 43 on eBay!

supposedly there were a lot of sheet cut copies of that card

[phdbeckett]

Originally Posted by Brent72

I thought the Flair Showcase Row 0 was a somewhat rare card, but I just looked and there are currently 43 on eBay!

I mentioned this earlier. Kobe is not in the rare tier as there are 2 and 1/2 row zeros per box in a 30 card set of this tier.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

The PSA 9 Finest Refractor was no Coating though, it does make quite a bit of difference.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

The coating seems to bring a 50% or more premium. Which... is amazing. I’m not sure if it’s justified or not? I do know if it’s a flip job I’m only buying with coating. But a massive discount for a better looking overall card. Seems there’s an opportunity there to me if it’s a pc or long term hold.

I'm not sure anyone can tell what the premium is for w/ coating - if there even is one - since prices have been rising so quickly. For example, the last 4 PSA 9 Kobe #74 refractors sold at auction including PWCC's were:

12/21/20: $12,000 - no coating
01/03/21: $13,500 - w/coating
01/20/21: $17,100 - w/coating
02/21/21: $29,100 - no coating

Again, until prices stabilize, there is no way to tell if w/ coating carries a premium. However, I don't believe it's close to a 50% premium.

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I'm not sure anyone can tell what the premium is for w/ coating - if there even is one - since prices have been rising so quickly. For example, the last 4 PSA 9 Kobe #74 refractors sold at auction including PWCC's were:

12/21/20: $12,000 - no coating
01/03/21: $13,500 - w/coating
01/20/21: $17,100 - w/coating
02/21/21: $29,100 - no coating

Again, until prices stabilize, there is no way to tell if w/ coating carries a premium. However, I don't believe it's close to a 50% premium.

Yea its hard to tell if you only look at recent sales due to the rapid rise. But back last year when prices were more stable for his Finest Rc, the copies with coating always outsold the copies without by at least 30%. This applies to base, refractor, and the Gold Heirs

[Lankybox]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think the 28-30% doesn't apply to this card because it is so condition sensitive.

PSA 10 rate:

Topps: 16.9%
Chrome: 14.7%
Refractor: 15.6%
NBA @ 50: 8.9%

Xfractor and an orange refractor is rarer too.. What's the number on that?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Yea its hard to tell if you only look at recent sales due to the rapid rise. But back last year when prices were more stable for his Finest Rc, the copies with coating always outsold the copies without by at least 30%. This applies to base, refractor, and the Gold Heirs

Yes, this is absolutely true. However, what we don't know yet is the preference is of new collectors who are willing to shell out $20k++. Do they care about how early collectors viewed the w/ coating vs. w/o coating debate? I think there will be 3 obvious outcomes.

1) They believe there should be a premium for the card w/ coating since it's in its "original" condition.

2) They would rather have copies w/o coating because they don't want the aesthetic of the card to be disrupted.

3) It's a horse a piece and they'll take either copy.

I think #3 is the least likely. Preferences in the hobby has changed before, though. Back in 2010, only a fraction of people collected chrome parallels and refused to buy in to the auto and patch card craze. That has since changed.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Yea its hard to tell if you only look at recent sales due to the rapid rise. But back last year when prices were more stable for his Finest Rc, the copies with coating always outsold the copies without by at least 30%. This applies to base, refractor, and the Gold Heirs

Although there is some premium associated with the peel, I believe there is a even more significant premium for those with great color vibrance. Ie the heirs gold refractor, some are completely hulked and and some still very vibrant in original color. That will supersede peel all day.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Although there is some premium associated with the peel, I believe there is a even more significant premium for those with great color vibrance. Ie the heirs gold refractor, some are completely hulked and and some still very vibrant in original color. That will supersede peel all day.

Yes, absolutely. With the four I cited above, all of them had a color vibrancy that was equal - virtually no greening.

[jzx1103]

Was able to struck a deal last week for a complete 96/97 Topps Chrome set, the key cards will go to PSA to be slabbed. Hoping for at least an 8 for the Kobe to make the deal worth it. But anything higher would be a nice bonus. Kobe looks clean with 4 sharp corners but a little off center and slight hulking (not sure how PSA grades the hulking), I'm thinking 9 isn't out of the question based on this one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Topps-...UAAOSwIvZgLPNS

[al3xmac10]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Was able to struck a deal last week for a complete 96/97 Topps Chrome set, the key cards will go to PSA to be slabbed. Hoping for at least an 8 for the Kobe to make the deal worth it. But anything higher would be a nice bonus. Kobe looks clean with 4 sharp corners but a little off center and slight hulking (not sure how PSA grades the hulking), I'm thinking 9 isn't out of the question based on this one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Topps-...UAAOSwIvZgLPNS

Those cards seem to be in beautiful condition.
Congratulations!

[Asian62150]

Dunno if it's been mentioned already but just noticed the parallel between these cards and thought it was pretty cool.



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[rainmaker]

The premium for peel is probably different per card I shouldn’t have said 50% as a blanket. For psa 9 finest base apprentice cards... recent sales with peel are between 1200 and 1400 and without are between 800-900. It’s a considerable difference. The gap appears to be spreading wider as time goes on too.

[jzx1103]

Well somebody hit the BIN for $37500 for the Finest Refractor with Peel earlier, also PSA 9

[daeve]

Hope nobody bought the 96 Ultra gold medallion psa 9 from pwcc last night. I thought it looked off, compared it to the BGS 9 also sold last night, and sure enough, top left corner was noticeably shorter. I can upload screenshots to imgur later, but figured I'd give a heads up here just in case.

[Tommy1380]

Originally Posted by Brent72

I thought the Flair Showcase Row 0 was a somewhat rare card, but I just looked and there are currently 43 on eBay!

All things considered, it is, especially in PSA 10. For reference, there are 67 PSA 10's and there are 63 Topps Chrome Refractor PSA 10's

Total PSA graded population:
Row 0: 576
Topps Chrome Refractor: 406
Topps Chrome: 5,671

[GatorPie]

The NBA at 50 card looks terrible scanned due to the reflective foil, so I experimented with some flat angles last night. I like these.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by GatorPie

The NBA at 50 card looks terrible scanned due to the reflective foil, so I experimented with some flat angles last night. I like these.

Sweet! Looks like a strong 9. What's holding it back from being a 10?

[GatorPie]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Sweet! Looks like a strong 9. What's holding it back from being a 10?

The grader had just broken up with his girlfriend the night before. He wasn't in the mood to be generous.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

The premium for peel is probably different per card I shouldn’t have said 50% as a blanket. For psa 9 finest base apprentice cards... recent sales with peel are between 1200 and 1400 and without are between 800-900. It’s a considerable difference. The gap appears to be spreading wider as time goes on too.

Update: REA had a PSA 9 Finest Kobe #74 refractor hammer late last night as well.

02/21/21 (PWCC): $29,100 - no coating
02/21/21(REA) : $29,400 - with coating

I think true collectors have to target the base Finest bronze and golds with these skyrocketing prices, which is why there is such a gap in pricing. Like I mentioned in a previous post, the new investors who are targeting these cards as assets may not give two craps about the peel vs. no peel debate.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Well somebody hit the BIN for $37500 for the Finest Refractor with Peel earlier, also PSA 9

They must have lost the REA auction earlier this morning.

[GatorPie]

I personally would never buy a card that had the peel, but I know there are those that would never buy one without the peel. I have my doubts that these super-rich buyers care one way or the other. They may not even know there IS a removable coating.

[DaveedTO]

Long time lurker.
Minus the greening.

[GatorPie]

The NBA at 50 Topps card continues to climb, and PSA 10's are now selling for very close to Chrome PSA 10's (one just went $35,799). Does this mean the PSA 9's and 8's will also reach Chrome values? Right now a PSA 9 Chrome goes for roughly 10-11K while a BGS 9 goes for 7-8K. The greening issue remains the elephant in the room and is a huge reason for this question.

It's astounding how few NBA at 50 Kobes are listed on eBay, especially when you look at the hundreds of base Topps and Chromes. People are sitting on that card right now.

[TownyBE]

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Kobe Studio /199 by Tony Dyckmans, on Flickr