2022 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire--This Could Be the Product of the Year? (2022/2023)

[Buzz]

Florida must be nice this time of year cause my boxes are just cruising there.

[J1L]

Originally Posted by JRX

Who exactly is spending all these "new car" prices for cards? Crypto is imploding, tech is laying off a lot. Its def not 2020 anymore, is there really still that much money flowing around paying top dollar for all this?

Yes..

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It is certainty a candidate for deal of the year, along with, logofractor, but if TCUS was made available only from topps for $250 or even $300, people would be calling it “highway robbery” and a “horrible value.”

The product of the year needs to have all the accolades, regardless of buy in price and flip factor, IMO.

I dunno brother. Hard for me to eliminate buy in price from being a big factor when evaluating a product. More specifically for me would be how excited and willing people are to rip the product at the offered price. Ya know, actually opening packs of cards. For a chance at a monster on card auto or nice parallel. Or a pack pulled copy of your favorite rookie. Whether the intention is collecting or flipping the cards is secondary to the perceived fair value and how it affects one’s decision to buy or not and to rip or not.
In the midst of an overall card market downturn the abundance of folks willing to bypass an easy $70-$80 profit(a much rarer opportunity in recent months) and tear it open speaks volumes to me.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JRX

Who exactly is spending all these "new car" prices for cards? Crypto is imploding, tech is laying off a lot. Its def not 2020 anymore, is there really still that much money flowing around paying top dollar for all this?

Especially since there are so many more options for those cards now compared to 5-6 months ago.

And we still haven’t seen the end of 2022 releases.

Hasn’t anyone learned from that $3400 logofractor first sale?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JRX

Who exactly is spending all these "new car" prices for cards? Crypto is imploding, tech is laying off a lot. It’s def not 2020 anymore, is there really still that much money flowing around paying top dollar for all this?

Unfortunately I think most are misleading the JRod owner into thinking it’s worth much more than it is. Fly to PSA and have it graded same day is a terrible piece of advice. The card is NOT worth anywhere near enough to justify that.

Either sell privately raw or give to Goldin and grade to auction.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Especially since there are so many more options for those cards now compared to 5-6 months ago.

And we still haven’t seen the end of 2022 releases.

Hasn’t anyone learned from that $3400 logofractor first sale?

Agreed. With it being one of the first premium chrome RC logo options of the year for Julio that one set up poorly for impatient people who had to have one early on. Almost like the massive prices for early s1 First edition Wander parallels. As soon as the flagship color was available there was an immediate sag.


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[J1L]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Unfortunately I think most are misleading the JRod owner into thinking it’s worth much more than it is. Fly to PSA and have it graded same day is a terrible piece of advice. The card is NOT worth anywhere near enough to justify that.

Either sell privately raw or give to Goldin and grade to auction.

private sale definitely the way imo. takes more legwork if you aren't connected, but way less headache/delay.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by LVDan

I dunno brother. Hard for me to eliminate buy in price from being a big factor when evaluating a product. More specifically for me would be how excited and willing people are to rip the product at the offered price. Ya know, actually opening packs of cards. For a chance at a monster on card auto or nice parallel. Or a pack pulled copy of your favorite rookie. Whether the intention is collecting or flipping the cards is secondary to the perceived fair value and how it affects one’s decision to buy or not and to rip or not.
In the midst of an overall card market downturn the abundance of folks willing to bypass an easy $70-$80 profit(a much rarer opportunity in recent months) and tear it open speaks volumes to me.

Sounds like you feel like it is the “deal of the year”. I have no problem with that.

It’s easy to point out the strong points of this product.

Play the other side and critique the heck out of it - see what you come up with.

[glassofwater]

Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

I thought somewhere in this thread a Royce Lewis was pulled.

My 3 boxes are showing delivery tomorrow but I am going to doubt that based on past history. They in transit showing SC. Inevitably they will wind up in PA where they go to die for a week before moving. I will be pleasantly surprised if I get these before mid-next week.

Mine are traveling west, 2 days ago said it would get here Tuesday, yesterday Wednesday, now it says Thursday. So I have no clue when I will get mine.

[base set]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Whether or not you put a lot of weight on flagship image(you do and I don’t) everyone will certainly have one image they prefer over the other. I personally don’t have a strong opinion in this particular instance.
No question to E’s point though that as of the foreseeable future there are gonna be FAR fewer #67’s in circulation than US44’s.
And until(unless?)the prices of both products flip flop that won’t change anytime in the longer term future either.

I think the Seattle Road Alternate uniform having the uniform # on the front will be popular in the long term, given that specific uni #

[techtre2003]

I understand colors will look a little different in pictures but this looks awfully red to me:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18574424960...p2047675.l2557

[thenightman]

Checking the tracking of my order, which is scheduled to be delivered today, it was last in Vicksburg, MS, as of 9:45pm last night. Vicksburg is only 5 hours away, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be here later today. I'm still debating whether to rip or not. I only got 3 boxes, so it's a risk.

[thewild3]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I understand colors will look a little different in pictures but this looks awfully red to me:

Different types of printers/scanners can definitely make colors look off.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by thewild3

Different types of printers/scanners can definitely make colors look off.

For sure. This one just really stuck out. I thought it was listed wrong until I saw the back was /25.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Sounds like you feel like it is the “deal of the year”. I have no problem with that.

It’s easy to point out the strong points of this product.

Play the other side and critique the heck out of it - see what you come up with.

Price is a huge component of any "product of the year" discussions. If Topps sold Diamond Icons for $100/box, that would be the product of the year. At $3K, no one cares. Price is the determining factor.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Checking the tracking of my order, which is scheduled to be delivered today, it was last in Vicksburg, MS, as of 9:45pm last night. Vicksburg is only 5 hours away, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be here later today. I'm still debating whether to rip or not. I only got 3 boxes, so it's a risk.

I wouldn't trust FedEx's tracking. My stuff always gets stuck in Indianapolis for a few extra days beyond my delivery date. Mine currently says end of day and is still a few states over.

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by Bcr

I wouldn't trust FedEx's tracking. My stuff always gets stuck in Indianapolis for a few extra days beyond my delivery date. Mine currently says end of day and is still a few states over.

Pretty standard with Topps/FedEx - FedEx estimates the date when Topps prints the label and it usually takes a day or two for Topps to actually give it to fedEx. Then, FedEx never updates the date until the expected date passes. Mine were supposed to be here today, but still in AZ last night at 9:00pm. Means a Saturday or Sunday delivery for me.

[Allamericancard]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Unfortunately I think most are misleading the JRod owner into thinking it’s worth much more than it is. Fly to PSA and have it graded same day is a terrible piece of advice. The card is NOT worth anywhere near enough to justify that.

Either sell privately raw or give to Goldin and grade to auction.

I disagree....if base TCS jrods are doing $600-700, his ONLY sapphire auto /10 has to be a 15k card raw imo

[The Accountant]

I'd think close to $8-10k. I can't get $800 for my Brooklyn collection color match auto in mint condition /30. I know it's not apples to apples but I can't see anyone paying anywhere near $25k unless you get a PSA 10 (which strengthens the argument to grade) and even that is a stretch.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Checking the tracking of my order, which is scheduled to be delivered today, it was last in Vicksburg, MS, as of 9:45pm last night. Vicksburg is only 5 hours away, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be here later today. I'm still debating whether to rip or not. I only got 3 boxes, so it's a risk.

Fedex sucks. If you don't have an Out For Delivery scan by now, its probably not coming today.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

Buy collectors insurance policy for cheaper than plane ticket. Plus now you have coverage for the rest of the year.

Overnight it to psa with high declared value.

Get it back and post on eBay/social media.

Remember that people sell high end cards without Goldin. Always the comment when people get something nice, having no idea that you’ll be waiting months to actually get money when using them.

I would 100% NOT sell this in social media, see my previous post about sales going sideways. Also, just because you insure something with the PO for $25K, if they lose that doesn’t mean they will pay you $25K and they will fight you on it.

Safest bet for grading is to just go to PSA, a plane ticket is a drop in the bucket compared to the potential value of the card.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Price is a huge component of any "product of the year" discussions. If Topps sold Diamond Icons for $100/box, that would be the product of the year. At $3K, no one cares. Price is the determining factor.

That would be the “steal of the century”, but it is an unrealistic example as topps would be losing money at that price for diamond icons. IMO it’s not a great product, especially for its price, since topps can never do high end right.

Again, I will argue that price is the main factor for flipper bois in anointing a “product of the year”. It should be referred to as “deal of the year” when price/value is the biggest attribute.

If TCUS was $250 direct from topps like how everyone was expecting, would you still be calling it “product of the year?” Because if not, then price is the major factor in your evaluation, which I argue should really just be a minor point.

As alluded to in a previous post, when evaluating “product of the year”, you need to dive deep into the negatives of the product as well - why don’t you list what critics of the product may come up with, to properly analyze the product.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Checking the tracking of my order, which is scheduled to be delivered today, it was last in Vicksburg, MS, as of 9:45pm last night. Vicksburg is only 5 hours away, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be here later today. I'm still debating whether to rip or not. I only got 3 boxes, so it's a risk.

Mine are out for delivery today. I only got 2 boxes so I'm debating ripping as well. I'd love to pull a red Pujols but I know the odds are pretty much like hitting the lottery. I watched some breaks last night on YouTube and they were all pretty rough.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Unfortunately I think most are misleading the JRod owner into thinking it’s worth much more than it is. Fly to PSA and have it graded same day is a terrible piece of advice. The card is NOT worth anywhere near enough to justify that.

Either sell privately raw or give to Goldin and grade to auction.

Ouch, there’s always got to be one bitter one in the bunch.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Especially since there are so many more options for those cards now compared to 5-6 months ago.

And we still haven’t seen the end of 2022 releases.

Hasn’t anyone learned from that $3400 logofractor first sale?

Are you really comparing Sapphire to a gimmicky new product?