LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[jstephens24]

Rookies in his post says KD cards got trimmed too. I wonder if people can figure out those too

[blackbears86]

I said this before, this thread is just getting warmed up.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm with you Boo


1. He knew pertinent information about the card, never disclosed it, in fact derailed the thread when asked about it.

2. When asked if he ever sold the card would he disclose it was trimmed he said he wasn't sure, and would consult the "experts" first.

Second question is rhetorical whether he comes back to tell you what you want to hear or not.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Mystical

Ok I’m coming clean. I trimmed 74 and 87. Sorry.

NOW.....

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Mystical

Ok I’m coming clean. I trimmed 74 and 87. Sorry.

Go away

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

still no word from Eric Scissorhands...that says more than anything he could come on here and say.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by elee712

Second question is rhetorical whether he comes back to tell you what you want to hear or not.

regardless, the fact he is not sure "what he is going to do" with a card that is thousands of dollars knowing it is trimmed speaks volumes of his character.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

regardless, the fact he is not sure "what he is going to do" with a card that is thousands of dollars knowing it is trimmed speaks volumes of his character.

If he really knew nothing about the entire situation, I'm sure he'd appear more appalled and would right here with all of us trying to solve this caper

So his answer is probably the best possible one he can give because it leaves him with an option and the time to think through the next step.

The reason the card was trimmed in the first place was for $$$ so the only reason to leave $$$ on the table to disclose is to save his reputation.

His reputation is already ruined...at least amongst this BO community so he has nothing to gain by telling us anything either way... it might save his reputation a little but he's not going to gain any more business by disclosing the sale.

Whats to stop him from creating a fake sale or two in the next several years and finally selling the card under a different name/alias or using an agent making him appear further and further away from the scene of the crime

This entire situation was created out of greed. For him to leave all this money on the table to possibly (and very slightly) increase his reputation is very difficult to believe.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by elee712

I'm sure he'd appear...

Oh he's appearing. Keeping tabs on the thread for sure:

Last Activity: Today 11:45 AM

[theLUCKYshow]

There's a beware.buynicecards on IG now who links to this thread.

Strong move mystery man!

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[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1259185

gslayton...

Does anybody actually believe he's involved in any of this? Is it even his place to come and say something about this issue? I don't think so.

I knew it was him being referred to, but he only deals in 90s doesn't he? As I'm not familiar with BNC has he dealt in those?

This situation does bring into question ANY card that could have passed through BNC, they could all have been altered. Potentially hundreds of cards, or even more.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I knew it was him being referred to, but he only deals in 90s doesn't he? As I'm not familiar with BNC has he dealt in those?

This situation does bring into question ANY card that could have passed through BNC, they could all have been altered. Potentially hundreds of cards, or even more.

Only Hoops is a safe buy from here on out.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I knew it was him being referred to, but he only deals in 90s doesn't he? As I'm not familiar with BNC has he dealt in those?

This situation does bring into question ANY card that could have passed through BNC, they could all have been altered. Potentially hundreds of cards, or even more.

Yeah he deals with 90s cards. He has a few PMGs up for sale currently. Pretty much anything that makes money (nothing wrong with that).

It sucks because he has A TON of awesome cards, was well connected in the hobby, seemed relatively easily accessible. Just an overall good position in this hobby and it appears he doesn't care about that. At least, it's hard to gauge that he cared due to his response in this thread.

It's fine to be all about the money. It's not fine to defraud (no proof that he has actually defrauded) and obfuscate conversation pertaining to said malfeasance (see ebitz post in this thread gaslighting the forum).

[chuckerrrr]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

There's a beware.buynicecards on IG now who links to this thread.

Strong move mystery man!

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I just followed.

[Wings]

Where are the people that always talk about hanging out with Eric at the National in their recap threads? Do they have anything to add? Maybe some info that could be helpful?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by elee712

If he really knew nothing about the entire situation, I'm sure he'd appear more appalled and would right here with all of us trying to solve this caper

So his answer is probably the best possible one he can give because it leaves him with an option and the time to think through the next step.

The reason the card was trimmed in the first place was for $$$ so the only reason to leave $$$ on the table to disclose is to save his reputation.

His reputation is already ruined...at least amongst this BO community so he has nothing to gain by telling us anything either way... it might save his reputation a little but he's not going to gain any more business by disclosing the sale.

Whats to stop him from creating a fake sale or two in the next several years and finally selling the card under a different name/alias or using an agent making him appear further and further away from the scene of the crime

This entire situation was created out of greed. For him to leave all this money on the table to possibly (and very slightly) increase his reputation is very difficult to believe.

Good points made.

In my eyes at least if/when he ultimately sells the card, I would look upon him more favorably if he DID disclose the trimming.


Hopefully, whoever does buy it from him does some research.

[Mystical]

Ok here’s a honest question; if he trimmed the Lebron Exquisite RPA and got a 9, if it just had edge wear would have been between 7-8 BGS probably, is a 9 worth that much more? I’ve noticed from my bgs buying it doesn’t carry a premium unless it’s gold/Black. Seems like he wasted his time considering I’m sure someone would pay almost the same for a Lebron with edge wear and a Lebron bgs 9. Or am I wrong..?

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by Mystical

Ok here’s a honest question; if he trimmed the Lebron Exquisite RPA and got a 9, if it just had edge wear would have been between 7-8 BGS probably, is a 9 worth that much more? I’ve noticed from my bgs buying it doesn’t carry a premium unless it’s gold/Black. Seems like he wasted his time considering I’m sure someone would pay almost the same for a Lebron with edge wear and a Lebron bgs 9. Or am I wrong..?

Yes, you are wrong. If you are talking about a $20 card, there's probably not much difference between a raw card and a BGS 9, although I would say that visible damage would definitely have an impact. For a card at this level, it absolutely makes a significant difference in price.

[chuckerrrr]

Originally Posted by Mystical

Ok here’s a honest question; if he trimmed the Lebron Exquisite RPA and got a 9, if it just had edge wear would have been between 7-8 BGS probably, is a 9 worth that much more? I’ve noticed from my bgs buying it doesn’t carry a premium unless it’s gold/Black. Seems like he wasted his time considering I’m sure someone would pay almost the same for a Lebron with edge wear and a Lebron bgs 9. Or am I wrong..?

Correct me if im wrong but didn't this card grade a 9 originally then a 6 then a 9. So yeah getting a 9 makes a huge difference. Like Jordan Rookie cards. Huge difference in value between a BGS 6 and a BGS 9. Another thing to take into account is only 99 of these exist. You have many Jordan Fleer Rookies out there.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Mystical

Ok here’s a honest question; if he trimmed the Lebron Exquisite RPA and got a 9, if it just had edge wear would have been between 7-8 BGS probably, is a 9 worth that much more? I’ve noticed from my bgs buying it doesn’t carry a premium unless it’s gold/Black. Seems like he wasted his time considering I’m sure someone would pay almost the same for a Lebron with edge wear and a Lebron bgs 9. Or am I wrong..?

HUGE difference. The more expensive the card the greater the difference between a lesser grade and a higher grade.

[Mystical]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

HUGE difference. The more expensive the card the greater the difference between a lesser grade and a higher grade.

I’m pretty familiar with the grading, my point is that the card is so scarce as it is, I’m sure it would go nearly just as much. Does anyone know the last time one of these popped up startin bid? If so how much?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Mystical

I’m pretty familiar with the grading, my point is that the card is so scarce as it is, I’m sure it would go nearly just as much. Does anyone know the last time one of these popped up startin bid? If so how much?

You're being crazy.

The difference between a BGS 7 and a BGS 9 is likely between $50,000 and $150,000, depending on the buyer.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Mystical

I’m pretty familiar with the grading, my point is that the card is so scarce as it is, I’m sure it would go nearly just as much. Does anyone know the last time one of these popped up startin bid? If so how much?

Depends what causes it. If it’s 95 95 95 5, so 6 overall with a nice patch I would pay more than a 9 with a weak patch or plain jersey.

Assuming the surface grade is technical and not some giant eye sore.

But the point you made about the 99 is true but that’s what works in favor of the 9 grade.

A 9 is likely to be the high or near the high grade on a /99 but not a grade anyone cares about on a more common and mass printed card.

Generally, sample size and the cream rising to the top so to speak is different with different cards and how many are available.

Typically big $ will compete for the best whatever grade that may be.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Mystical

I’m pretty familiar with the grading, my point is that the card is so scarce as it is, I’m sure it would go nearly just as much. Does anyone know the last time one of these popped up startin bid? If so how much?

I understand what your saying. The fact that the card is #'d to 99 makes the grade discrepancy even greater on influencing the potential price IMO.

As far a actual prices: worthpoint? ebay?

[theleica]

Originally Posted by Mystical

I’m pretty familiar with the grading, my point is that the card is so scarce as it is, I’m sure it would go nearly just as much. Does anyone know the last time one of these popped up startin bid? If so how much?

According to PWCC Marketplace :

2003-04 LeBron James UD Exquisite Auto 3-CLR Patch #79/99 RC BGS 9.5 Gem Mint

Jan 1, 2018

$250,000.00

I slightly remember this being mentioned earlier in the thread but I don't remember in what context.