First Buzz: 2020 Topps Series 1 baseball cards

[UGLI baby]

Will Topps replace Gold foil cards with bad chipping straight out the pack, or not worth trying?


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[Giantrobot]

Originally Posted by dhofman

I don't normally post...but needed to post my experience and rant a bit. I would gladly have taken what most people have communicated they got from ripping a box of this latest release. Last night I opened my first, and what will likely be my last, 2020 Series 1 Hobby Jumbo.

For starters, I picked it up at a local card store for $153 (sticker shock!). We are talking about Flagship....right? There will be more cards for this release in circulation than any other release this year. I swear I saw this for $550 a case 2 months ago?!?!? I like to support local businesses, but the distributors are absolutely raping consumers here...

I typically try to build a master set of base plus the base inserts and am usually quite happy with the numbered cards, inserts, colors, variations, etc. that come in a box. Then I buy retail hangers, hobby single packs, and singles to help complete things out. I will typically sleeve duplicate hotter rookie cards and put them in a box. I don't sell and hold onto cards because I simply like to collect and stick to flagship and update.

This time around I was very unhappy with the overall results. Best card I got was a (one) base Jordan Alvarez RC. My autograph card was very weak. I only got three numbered cards in the whole thing. Two where golds that are never going to be worth more than $1. The third was on the manufactured relic (black color variant of ohtani) that had a large ding in the corner (not that it really matters, it is a manufactured patch). The "used" relic was a cool looking 1985 Ozzie Smith bat slice, but that card is poorly centered/cut. Nothing great in the 5 gold foil or 5 rainbow foil cards received. There were no pink, black, blue, red, advanced stats, vintage stock, etc.... no further color variation, outside of the gold, gold foil, and black manufacture relic mentioned, in any of the packs opened, including silver packs. There was only 1 SP photo variation of a retired player (McGwire) that will never be worth more than a few bucks.

While I was able to complete the base set from the box, there were more duplicates when said and done than previous years. I am convinced the overall number of inserts per pack was smaller than last year. I think I have more duplicates with this release than I did from the 2019 update jumbo I opened. There is absolutely no value at all... I would have done better buying $150 in retail hanger packs.

Yes, I am whining. I feel better now! (not really!) Hope everyone else enjoys their cards! Have fun ripping!

That really sucks. To back up your point, I paid $22 for a couple retail hangers and pulled two Yordan RCs, but the hobby pricing right now can be completely absurd. More people have to speak with their wallets and stop buying. I want card shops to stick around and I support them as much as is reasonable, but there is a point where the consumer has to put their foot down.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by wyguy11

NOT IN ANYTHING RETAIL
TOPPS is sucking of Wally and Target

Yes yes, there’s only one way to enjoy cards. Glad you’re here to gatekeep for us.

[Cardsfan84]

Hit in my 2nd jumbo case!


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[Giantrobot]

Originally Posted by Cardsfan84

Hit in my 2nd jumbo case!


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Vintage stock...sweeeeet

[mfw13]

Been doing pretty well buying the 1985 HOFer autos on EBay so far....especially considering that they are generally fairly scarce compared to active players.

Picked up Ripken & Boggs both for <$100, and Bench for $42.00.

Have also picked up a 1985 Soto & Vlad Jr. Black for less than $100 each, and a Bichette Jr. Black for $130.

[salthill]

Saw the Kris Bryant “In The Name” All-Star jersey nameplate 1/1 get pulled in an online break last night.

[Mallow423]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

Now over 100 short-printed variations in the gallery >> BlowoutBuzz.com #collect

ughhhh why Topps???? need to find a deal on one of these when it all settles down, or hope I hit one

[dhofman]

Originally Posted by Giantrobot

That really sucks. To back up your point, I paid $22 for a couple retail hangers and pulled two Yordan RCs, but the hobby pricing right now can be completely absurd. More people have to speak with their wallets and stop buying. I want card shops to stick around and I support them as much as is reasonable, but there is a point where the consumer has to put their foot down.

Agreed! Hobby pricing is sure out of whack right now... Obviously I regret buying the jumbo I did. However can't bring it back. Lol!

Unfortunately, this likely also changes my collection strategy for now. No more master set as it is just getting too expensive (for me with what I want to spend on cards). Will probably try to get the 1985 35th anniversary 100 cards along with the base set I already have and call it good.

Although, it is fun to see others pull great cards! Keep them coming!

[LVDan]

After last years versions, the reverence patch autos are a pretty big letdown to me. Loved the look of last years, like you really found something very special at very long odds.


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[avicke]

Walmart.com has non Walmart exclusive hangers in stock for 10 ea. Better than the 11 per on their exclusive ones...which still haven't even shipped yet...

RUN!

Here ya go.

[bsquirrel]

Originally Posted by wyguy11

Other parallels is pushing it...Mom and Pop card stores used to be everywhere in the 90’s. We all know that.

So let’s ask, “ do we all like the atmosphere and experience of purchasing cardboard from big box stores?” The fingerings, the “excel” rep stealings of product, bums, and the lack of knowing where my money is going exactly is enough for me. I’d be fine if I never stepped foot in those places.




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Within the last 6 months, Ive bought almost nothing from the local shops in my area, and have shifted almost all of my purchasing to retail. Why buy a pack of cards for $6 at a LCS when I can get it for $3 at Target?

There are LCSs in my area that are wonderful to visit and I try to frequent them when needing supplies or checking out their dollar boxes. Im just done getting less for my money at LCSs.

Lets also not pretend LCSs are free from the unethical stuff that goes on in the hobby.

[mcwildcats]

Finally the new stuff! And a few 2019...


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[beavers]

Originally Posted by avicke

Walmart.com has non Walmart exclusive hangers in stock for 10 ea. Better than the 11 per on their exclusive ones...which still haven't even shipped yet...

RUN!

Here ya go.

Only 1 left and shipping is $6 unless you spend $35. Bummer.

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

Finally the new stuff! And a few 2019...


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I just walked up to my walmart when he was putting them out. Put out two whole of those box things they have. Almost bought both boxes. Probably should have. Lots of cards for less then a hobby case

[knuckleballerMC]

Might be an obvious question, but: Any idea what the print run is on the SSPs? Pulled a Griffey photo variation today and trying to determine how to price it.

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

I just walked up to my walmart when he was putting them out. Put out two whole of those box things they have. Almost bought both boxes. Probably should have. Lots of cards for less then a hobby case

Very cool! Yeah I mostly cleared out my Target...took all the hangers and fat packs but just took 1 blaster and left the rest. None at my other Target and no sign of these at my Wallys yet.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by knuckleballerMC

Might be an obvious question, but: Any idea what the print run is on the SSPs? Pulled a Griffey photo variation today and trying to determine how to price it.

Hanger pack odds. SP=1:9. SSP=1:267.

[wyguy11]

Originally Posted by salthill

Yes yes, there’s only one way to enjoy cards. Glad you’re here to gatekeep for us.

I just miss my old card shop and feel the retail sales from past were smaller because there wasn’t that many locations. That’s not the case anymore. Not trying to gatekeep or throttle anyone’s experience just that it pushed out the little dude in the smaller cities.


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[NJ Card Guy]

Originally Posted by beavers

Only 1 left and shipping is $6 unless you spend $35. Bummer.

Try doing differnt amounts/variables. I loaded 12 and it said...."not available". Loaded 1,...added to cart. Tried 8....added to cart. Got 9 total....paid/checked-out/confirmed.

[Cactuspies]

Originally Posted by dhofman

I don't normally post...but needed to post my experience and rant a bit. I would gladly have taken what most people have communicated they got from ripping a box of this latest release. Last night I opened my first, and what will likely be my last, 2020 Series 1 Hobby Jumbo.

For starters, I picked it up at a local card store for $153 (sticker shock!). We are talking about Flagship....right? There will be more cards for this release in circulation than any other release this year. I swear I saw this for $550 a case 2 months ago?!?!? I like to support local businesses, but the distributors are absolutely raping consumers here...

I typically try to build a master set of base plus the base inserts and am usually quite happy with the numbered cards, inserts, colors, variations, etc. that come in a box. Then I buy retail hangers, hobby single packs, and singles to help complete things out. I will typically sleeve duplicate hotter rookie cards and put them in a box. I don't sell and hold onto cards because I simply like to collect and stick to flagship and update.

This time around I was very unhappy with the overall results. Best card I got was a (one) base Jordan Alvarez RC. My autograph card was very weak. I only got three numbered cards in the whole thing. Two where golds that are never going to be worth more than $1. The third was on the manufactured relic (black color variant of ohtani) that had a large ding in the corner (not that it really matters, it is a manufactured patch). The "used" relic was a cool looking 1985 Ozzie Smith bat slice, but that card is poorly centered/cut. Nothing great in the 5 gold foil or 5 rainbow foil cards received. There were no pink, black, blue, red, advanced stats, vintage stock, etc.... no further color variation, outside of the gold, gold foil, and black manufacture relic mentioned, in any of the packs opened, including silver packs. There was only 1 SP photo variation of a retired player (McGwire) that will never be worth more than a few bucks.

While I was able to complete the base set from the box, there were more duplicates when said and done than previous years. I am convinced the overall number of inserts per pack was smaller than last year. I think I have more duplicates with this release than I did from the 2019 update jumbo I opened. There is absolutely no value at all... I would have done better buying $150 in retail hanger packs.

Yes, I am whining. I feel better now! (not really!) Hope everyone else enjoys their cards! Have fun ripping!

My 1 case of Jumbo had 1 pink, 1 blue, 2 black, 1 vintage, 2 advance stats, 4 SPs. the autos were really not that good. some serial numbered inserts, manu stuff. the golds were of really no great names. the foils were decent and the gold foils were probably the best. all the silver packs only yielded 2 parallels (none auto'd)

some packs had 5 or 6 inserts and others had 3. So with longer odds and higher print runs hitting something specific in a box/case is not all that easy. lots of the exact same run in each pack so pretty much knew what RCs were going to pop up. If I paid over presale price I'd probably be really unhappy too.

[wyguy11]

Originally Posted by Cactuspies

My 1 case of Jumbo had 1 pink, 1 blue, 2 black, 1 vintage, 2 advance stats, 4 SPs. the autos were really not that good. some serial numbered inserts, manu stuff. the golds were of really no great names. the foils were decent and the gold foils were probably the best. all the silver packs only yielded 2 parallels (none auto'd)



some packs had 5 or 6 inserts and others had 3. So with longer odds and higher print runs hitting something specific in a box/case is not all that easy. lots of the exact same run in each pack so pretty much knew what RCs were going to pop up. If I paid over presale price I'd probably be really unhappy too.

That doesn’t even sound fun brother...with the predictable packs knowing you are in a poopy correlation.

Any good RC counts at least ?


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[Cactuspies]

Originally Posted by wyguy11

That doesn’t even sound fun brother...with the predictable packs knowing you are in a poopy correlation.

Any good RC counts at least ?


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about 7-9 of everyone it looked like. Only took out Lux, aquino, gallen, hoerner, bichette, yordan while opening.

If I saw Lux I knew hoerner was later or the other way around. aquino and yordans were alone but usually the order of the other cards would tell me who was in each pack. 2018 update was like that for me with retail and same with 2019 s2 and update. At least all the hits were right in the middle so really didn't have to look for codes on the back.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by Giantrobot

While I was able to complete the base set from the box, there were more duplicates when said and done than previous years. I am convinced the overall number of inserts per pack was smaller than last year. I think I have more duplicates with this release than I did from the 2019 update jumbo I opened. There is absolutely no value at all... I would have done better buying $150 in retail hanger packs.

If you were able to complete the base set, then all other base cards would be duplicates no?

[BigSlim16]

As a case breaking newbie, what's the best route to go with top RC cards like Yordan and Bo: sell after right breaking while the iron is hot or send off to PSA and endure the couple month wait to sell?