PITCHERS: Official Thread of the Hobby’s Outcast Position - Page 62

LVDan · 04-30-2023, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Going back that far, yes. But then I wouldn’t say the same if going back to the Covid season, especially since he’s been very good but not great the past couple seasons. And he appeared to be one of the pitchers who lost a little edge when the league started cracking down on sticky fingers.

Cole does have health on his side—which is very important, and he’s off to a stellar start to this season.

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Who has been better in the last 5 years cumulatively? I’m no Cole or Yankees fan but when you factor in health and numbers he seems the clear choice.

cjraleigh · 04-30-2023, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Who has been better in the last 5 years cumulatively? I’m no Cole or Yankees fan but when you factor in health and numbers he seems the clear choice.

The choice is clear by almost any metric...Cole.

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cjraleigh · 04-30-2023, 09:12 PM

ESPN GAME SCORE LEADERBOARD THROUGH APRIL 30th
25 or younger as of Opening Day (Javier turned 26 four days prior). 5 start minimum.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/daily.../type/pitching
Formula: 50 + 1*Outs + 2*IP after the 4th + 1*K - 2*H - 4*ER - 2*UnearnedRuns - 1*BB

TOP/BOTTOM 10 GAME SCORES FOR START #5

BigSlim16 · 05-02-2023, 08:11 PM

Tanner Bibee looked impressive before running out of gas in the 6th

MiamiMarlinsFan · 05-02-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Tanner Bibee looked impressive before running out of gas in the 6th

Same thing happened in his first start. I guess he’s still working his way up to 6 innings. He’ll get there.

OhioLawyerF5 · 05-03-2023, 06:23 AM

Ashcraft is a bulldog.

6 more innings of 1 run ball.

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cjraleigh · 05-03-2023, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Ashcraft is a bulldog.

6 more innings of 1 run ball.

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He surely is. He and McClanahan are the only ones on the list above to be in the yellow zone or higher in every start.

Ashcraft had a 58 last night. Strider dipped into the green with a 46 on Monday.

towerymt · 05-03-2023, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by StateEx

How about Bryce Elder? Did anyone see that coming?

And again! 7ip, 3h, 0er, 0bb, 6k, W. 3-0/1.75/1.06. Its almost like I didn't just lose deGrom to the IL.

ClevelandIC · 05-03-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Tanner Bibee looked impressive before running out of gas in the 6th

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Same thing happened in his first start. I guess he’s still working his way up to 6 innings. He’ll get there.

He also get hit with a comebacker in the 5th - The blunt of the hit was on his glove but I wonder if he had any swelling or affects from that.

eye4talent · 05-03-2023, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Who has been better in the last 5 years cumulatively? I’m no Cole or Yankees fan but when you factor in health and numbers he seems the clear choice.

If it’s just a five-year block, like Player of the Half-Decade, that’s one thing. But five years wasn’t exactly the original timeframe used in the claim about who’s been consistently good. (I think it was something like “multiple” seasons.)

I’m looking at it more as a rolling situation. And in the past five years, Cole’s best two seasons were four and five years ago.

He’s certainly on fire right now, but he has otherwise slid back a little the past few years. Last year, for instance, he was 30th in ERA and served up 33 HR—in a down offensive year.

And so, I would have rather had Burnes, Urias and Fried the past few seasons. Bieber had an injury-shortened season, and he pitches in arguably the easiest division, but I could see him thriving anywhere. It’s hard to say Cole has been better than Gausman since 2020. Gallen had a rough 2021, but he entered the league mid-2019 and has a career 3.04 ERA. Sandy Alcantara’s run probably isn’t long enough to include him in the conversation (and his current level of pitching certainly wouldn’t help the argument). And there’s of course Ohtani.

The point is that there are quite a few pitchers who have established themselves as consistent aces.

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cjraleigh · 05-03-2023, 10:16 PM

What do you all think of Manoah's super slow and methodical entrance from the pen to the dugout before his last two starts...in another team's park?

He's clearly trying to assert his dominance over first Cole and then Pivetta...but given his performance this year, I'm not sure he's earned that privilege as a visitor.

hammertime · 05-04-2023, 01:20 PM

Poor Jack Flaherty...

awz50 · 05-04-2023, 08:03 PM

Pickup this tonight. Joins his other bowman supers I own

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Doublexthebeast · 05-04-2023, 09:00 PM

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Pickup this tonight. Joins his other bowman supers I own

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Nice card. Can’t go wrong with a 1st Bowman Superfractor
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JayEvans813 · 05-05-2023, 12:11 PM

Finally got home to flex a few of my bigger Rays pitcher parallels

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LVDan · 05-05-2023, 12:32 PM

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Finally got home to flex a few of my bigger Rays pitcher parallels

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Beauties!
Hoping to see a return to form from Drew today against a somewhat depleted NY lineup.

Also…
Amazing collection of Erods up there awz!

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cjraleigh · 05-05-2023, 12:37 PM

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Nice card. Can’t go wrong with a 1st Bowman Superfractor
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Outstanding card of this underrated lefty. Just notched his 1,000th career K last night!

PeteD · 05-05-2023, 01:16 PM

Snagged this at my LCS for $5...think i did pretty good eh, no? Benefits of living in hockey country.

eye4talent · 05-05-2023, 02:55 PM

My “HG” Stadium Clubs arrived.

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Bunny Hop · 05-05-2023, 03:46 PM

Nice! Still one of the better initial sigs around.

eye4talent · 05-05-2023, 03:48 PM

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Nice! Still one of the better initial sigs around.

Ya know, I was disappointed at first when I saw he was switching to initials, considering that his full sig is so outstanding. But you’re right: he signs his initials really well, too.

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OhioLawyerF5 · 05-05-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Ya know, I was disappointed at first when I saw he was switching to initials, considering that his full sig is so outstanding. But you’re right: he signs his initials really well, too.

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I'm a little surprised he switched to initials. He talks about his mom teaching him calligraphy and how much pride he takes in his signature.

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Robles Fan · 05-05-2023, 05:10 PM

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My “HG” Stadium Clubs arrived.

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They look great. Though oddly enough, I find that they resemble Bryce Harper's evolved "BH" signature but in reverse order.

eye4talent · 05-05-2023, 05:13 PM

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They look great. Though oddly enough, I find that they resemble Bryce Harper's evolved "BH" signature but in reverse order.

Yes! I was trying to figure out why it looked so familiar. That’s totally it.

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KC35 · 05-05-2023, 06:51 PM

A few Greinke signed cards I got back from PSA this week. Hoping he can get at least 93 more strikeouts this season lol

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BigSlim16 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 4,332	Tanner Bibee looked impressive before running out of gas in the 6th

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cjraleigh Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,032 cjraleigh	What do you all think of Manoah's super slow and methodical entrance from the pen to the dugout before his last two starts...in another team's park? He's clearly trying to assert his dominance over first Cole and then Pivetta...but given his performance this year, I'm not sure he's earned that privilege as a visitor.

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Bunny Hop Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Big City Posts: 1,825	Nice! Still one of the better initial sigs around.

05-05-2023, 06:51 PM	#1550
KC35 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,489 35kc	A few Greinke signed cards I got back from PSA this week. Hoping he can get at least 93 more strikeouts this season lol