✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 631

ThoseBackPages · 08-24-2023, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

That's rough timing for sure man, ugh. Take solace that they were likely rarer fine 9s and my guess is those will hold up fairly well as lots of holders of such cards are collectors and not investor/flipper types.

PSA 10 Base Bowman Chromes, watch out below!!!!

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2022 TC Red Refractor PSA 9
2018 Heritage Refractor PSA 9
2018 Heritage Action 17 CSG 9.5

Trueblue · 08-24-2023, 12:59 AM

I think you guys need to listen to the people here that were around from the first go around of TJS (besides me).

And unsolicited, but I'll say it. This is NOTHING compared to the first time. First time he went under the knife, he had a highly contested ROY award to Miguel frickin Andujar on his resume and that was it. This time is another animal where his second MVP/POY is in the bag, a WBC champ, and a global icon at a fresh 29 years old. I'll be adding.

redauto5 · 08-24-2023, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

2022 TC Red Refractor PSA 9

2018 Heritage Refractor PSA 9

2018 Heritage Action 17 CSG 9.5

Yeah, those are some awesome cards. You certainly went hard at the good stuff, and yes it hurts I'm sure. Still quality choices long term though as you know as well as I.

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anusinha · 08-24-2023, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sandyfrank

So if the UCL is a partial tear, does that still mean likely TJ? I know sometimes pitchers will just go ahead and have it done without a complete tear but will it heal on its own without the TJ with an off-season of rest? If he does get TJ might as well get it done right now and I agree, become the best closer in MLB in 2025 and on...Stay hard Shohei you are the greatest.

I think he tried that before and it ended up needing surgery. Not sure if its different with a second tear.

ThoseBackPages · 08-24-2023, 01:01 AM

youre right guys. its just been a rough month for collecting. Wander and now Ohtani.
have to hope nobody else gets hurt

Fulmer4MVP · 08-24-2023, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sandyfrank

So if the UCL is a partial tear, does that still mean likely TJ? I know sometimes pitchers will just go ahead and have it done without a complete tear but will it heal on its own without the TJ with an off-season of rest? If he does get TJ might as well get it done right now and I agree, become the best closer in MLB in 2025 and on...Stay hard Shohei you are the greatest.

Ligaments don't heal well unfortunately. If it is a small tear, they will work on building the muscles around the area to stabilize it. I'm guessing we will hear in the next few days what he will do.

sandyfrank · 08-24-2023, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think you guys need to listen to the people here that were around from the first go around of TJS (besides me).

And unsolicited, but I'll say it. This is NOTHING compared to the first time. First time he went under the knife, he had a highly contested ROY award to Miguel frickin Andujar on his resume and that was it. This time is another animal where his second MVP/POY is in the bag, a WBC champ, and a global icon at a fresh 29 years old. I'll be adding.

I am no doubt going to add a couple in the upcoming dip to my collection starting with that 2017 Bowman Mega and the Chrome Complete Set card. I have most of the other main RCs but those 2 evade me.

redauto5 · 08-24-2023, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think you guys need to listen to the people here that were around from the first go around of TJS (besides me).

And unsolicited, but I'll say it. This is NOTHING compared to the first time. First time he went under the knife, he had a highly contested ROY award to Miguel frickin Andujar on his resume and that was it. This time is another animal where his second MVP/POY is in the bag, a WBC champ, and a global icon at a fresh 29 years old. I'll be adding.

Great perspective, as always. Yes, after the 2st TJ Shohei had that awful year hitting as well and he became an afterthought to most. To those that stayed true, ample rewards were given. Ohtani's resume is like night (2020) and day (2023) at this point. A little darkness will allow some prey to scamper out into our price range. Some big game animals will think it's safe to trot out into the dusk and I'll have my weapon ready. Meaning my Ebay sniping hands.

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redauto5 · 08-24-2023, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

youre right guys. its just been a rough month for collecting. Wander and now Ohtani.
have to hope nobody else gets hurt

Oof, yeah the Wander thing is on a whole other level. Shaping up to be a tragedy on a lot of levels. You're right, what a tough month to collect baseball cards it has been. I think I'll go bust some cheap Pro Debut when it comes out in about a week to feel better. The Jacksons are in it, should be fun.

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ThoseBackPages · 08-24-2023, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

Oof, yeah the Wander thing is on a whole other level. Shaping up to be a tragedy on a lot of levels. You're right, what a tough month to collect baseball cards it has been. I think I'll go bust some cheap Pro Debut when it comes out in about a week to feel better. The Jacksons are in it, should be fun.

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enjoy it! nothing is cheap enough to rip for me haha

al3xmac10 · 08-24-2023, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think you guys need to listen to the people here that were around from the first go around of TJS (besides me).

And unsolicited, but I'll say it. This is NOTHING compared to the first time. First time he went under the knife, he had a highly contested ROY award to Miguel frickin Andujar on his resume and that was it. This time is another animal where his second MVP/POY is in the bag, a WBC champ, and a global icon at a fresh 29 years old. I'll be adding.

100%.
Also, please watch the Nov 2018 NHK documentary below,
to hear directly from Shohei his mindset when he decided to get TJ surgery.

He basically said that he thought he can still pitch fairly effectively even without TJ surgery, but he would not be happy not being able to compete at the ultimate level, so he decided to get TJ.

In my opinion, his 1st TJ experience will inform him how to better attack his rehab.

https://twitter.com/shoheisaveus/sta...28521866690764

redauto5 · 08-24-2023, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

enjoy it! nothing is cheap enough to rip for me haha

I think '85 Topps is cheap enough to go Gooden hunting... My favorite player growing up was Eric Davis and his Rookie is in that set too. Split a box? Lol!

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TGCollector · 08-24-2023, 01:25 AM

Well I said a couple weeks back I planned on trying to finish my Ohtani collection before the offseason. After hearing this news... I don't think that'll be happening.

A few cards I didn't think I'd get for a price I like now seems extremely realistic. I have a huge card that Goldin receives tomorrow (bad timing) and a few other cards I'll be selling regardless of what happens with prices. Then I'll be taking that money and putting it towards those final 7-10 Ohtani cards I've wanted the past few years. I'm so bummed about this but I think in 20 years it'll just make the Ohtani story that much more incredible.

ThoseBackPages · 08-24-2023, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

I think '85 Topps is cheap enough to go Gooden hunting... My favorite player growing up was Eric Davis and his Rookie is in that set too. Split a box? Lol!

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they are $14 a pack now! haha

TGCollector · 08-24-2023, 01:33 AM

One thing i'll add.. One was when he was much younger, but that guy named Nathan Eovaldi has had multiple Tommy John surgeries and a couple of other procedures. This year he is 11-3 with a 2.69 ERA.

al3xmac10 · 08-24-2023, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

they are $14 a pack now! haha

i saw that 52 mantle you bought at this year's National..
that was epic.

ThoseBackPages · 08-24-2023, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by al3xmac10

i saw that 52 mantle you bought at this year's National..
that was epic.

ty Sir! that was a good time!

Zauron · 08-24-2023, 03:08 AM

There's way too many doomers about Ohtani. His prices aren't going to nosedive, talking about dropping 50%

Ferg1945 · 08-24-2023, 03:15 AM

Speaking of MVP.

If he doesn't play the rest of the season...depending on severity of tear and likelihood of further damage during swings.... is he still the clear cut MVP?

If he still bats... it's his for sure.

Trueblue · 08-24-2023, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Speaking of MVP.

If he doesn't play the rest of the season...depending on severity of tear and likelihood of further damage during swings.... is he still the clear cut MVP?

If he still bats... it's his for sure.

9.6 bWAR. That's higher than his unanimous MVP season in 2021. Your answer is, it's already engraved.

But it's Shohei. He's probably going to try to win the home run crown

JRX · 08-24-2023, 03:50 AM

Just awful news and terrible for the sport. With both ny teams sucking, he was the only player I made a point to watch. He will have to see how bad the tear is and decide on what he wants to do. Tanaka never got the surgery the first time, but kept pitching.

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Ferg1945 · 08-24-2023, 03:58 AM

He's done the MLB thing for 6 years... likely to win his 2nd MVP.

After this news... any chance he goes back to Japan to play?

JRX · 08-24-2023, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

He's done the MLB thing for 6 years... likely to win his 2nd MVP.

After this news... any chance he goes back to Japan to play?

I would be surprised if he gave up on mlb. I can't think of a more consequential injury in terms of free agency. Whether they had a chance or not, so many teams were looking at him being their crowning piece.

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Bcr · 08-24-2023, 05:09 AM

Man this sucks. On a positive note my strategy of not buying until the off-season looks even better than it already was.. Congrats to all that sold during the past few months

regularp · 08-24-2023, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

He's done the MLB thing for 6 years... likely to win his 2nd MVP.

After this news... any chance he goes back to Japan to play?

So you think he'd even consider passing up a contract worth well into nine figures to go back to Japan and not make anywhere close to that?

08-24-2023, 01:01 AM	#15755
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,097 ThoseBackPages	youre right guys. its just been a rough month for collecting. Wander and now Ohtani. have to hope nobody else gets hurt __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

08-24-2023, 03:08 AM	#15768
Zauron Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,569	There's way too many doomers about Ohtani. His prices aren't going to nosedive, talking about dropping 50% __________________ Champ Bailey Collector! Currently: 909/2602 hermanotarjeta: You've been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!!

08-24-2023, 12:59 AM	#15752
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,337	I think you guys need to listen to the people here that were around from the first go around of TJS (besides me). And unsolicited, but I'll say it. This is NOTHING compared to the first time. First time he went under the knife, he had a highly contested ROY award to Miguel frickin Andujar on his resume and that was it. This time is another animal where his second MVP/POY is in the bag, a WBC champ, and a global icon at a fresh 29 years old. I'll be adding.

08-24-2023, 01:25 AM	#15763
TGCollector Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 266	Well I said a couple weeks back I planned on trying to finish my Ohtani collection before the offseason. After hearing this news... I don't think that'll be happening. A few cards I didn't think I'd get for a price I like now seems extremely realistic. I have a huge card that Goldin receives tomorrow (bad timing) and a few other cards I'll be selling regardless of what happens with prices. Then I'll be taking that money and putting it towards those final 7-10 Ohtani cards I've wanted the past few years. I'm so bummed about this but I think in 20 years it'll just make the Ohtani story that much more incredible.

08-24-2023, 01:33 AM	#15765
TGCollector Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 266	One thing i'll add.. One was when he was much younger, but that guy named Nathan Eovaldi has had multiple Tommy John surgeries and a couple of other procedures. This year he is 11-3 with a 2.69 ERA.

08-24-2023, 03:15 AM	#15769
Ferg1945 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 14,719	Speaking of MVP. If he doesn't play the rest of the season...depending on severity of tear and likelihood of further damage during swings.... is he still the clear cut MVP? If he still bats... it's his for sure.

08-24-2023, 03:50 AM	#15771
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,435	Just awful news and terrible for the sport. With both ny teams sucking, he was the only player I made a point to watch. He will have to see how bad the tear is and decide on what he wants to do. Tanaka never got the surgery the first time, but kept pitching. Sent from my SM-A546U1 using Tapatalk

08-24-2023, 03:58 AM	#15772
Ferg1945 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 14,719	He's done the MLB thing for 6 years... likely to win his 2nd MVP. After this news... any chance he goes back to Japan to play?

08-24-2023, 05:09 AM	#15774
Bcr Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 2,738	Man this sucks. On a positive note my strategy of not buying until the off-season looks even better than it already was.. Congrats to all that sold during the past few months