✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

You know it's blowout when people that never post about Ohtani come into this thread and start teaching us about prices, indisputable facts, and Ohtani's future. Then they disappear into the abyss after their bad take is proven hilariously ignorant.

It's the same every time.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You know it's blowout when people that never post about Ohtani come into this thread and start teaching us about prices, indisputable facts, and Ohtani's future. Then they disappear into the abyss after their bad take and are disappointed their POMO wasn't substantiated.

It's the same every time.

ha! good point

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You know it's blowout when people that never post about Ohtani come into this thread and start teaching us about prices, indisputable facts, and Ohtani's future. Then they disappear into the abyss after their bad take is proven hilariously ignorant.

It's the same every time.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ha! good point

Originally Posted by Chris P

100%....like clockwork

so predictable, yawn

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You know it's blowout when people that never post about Ohtani come into this thread and start teaching us about prices, indisputable facts, and Ohtani's future. Then they disappear into the abyss after their bad take is proven hilariously ignorant.

It's the same every time.

The Patty faithful have been dealn' with it for a while

So many members with APBs out on them. I hope they are okay

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You know it's blowout when people that never post about Ohtani come into this thread and start teaching us about prices, indisputable facts, and Ohtani's future. Then they disappear into the abyss after their bad take is proven hilariously ignorant.

It's the same every time.

100%....like clockwork

[JRX]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Best hitter in baseball with 50+ HRs? Surely up from here. To assume he's gonna do it at this pace again is not a great bet, possible of course, but it's alot to expect. Also, his two worst hitting seasons by far were the only two seasons he didn't pitch

2nd time he's done this as a hitter, people acting like he's a replacement level bat

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[Ziggy]

If things work out with USPS, I have an auto coming to me today. Seller has a return period, and I've certainly thought about pursuing it, but its for PC and I haven't seen anything come close quality/price wise anyway (even "in these hard times").

[Hollywood42]

Why would you admit to considering a return unrelated to card condition? Tough luck on timing, but don't go there man

Originally Posted by Ziggy

If things work out with USPS, I have an auto coming to me today. Seller has a return period, and I've certainly thought about pursuing it, but its for PC and I haven't seen anything come close quality/price wise anyway (even "in these hard times").

[Ziggy]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Why would you admit to considering a return unrelated to card condition? Tough luck on timing, but don't go there man

Because the seller offers it? It's not a final sale or anything like that, the seller has a return policy and I am entitled to pursue it if I wanted to. If it was final sale then I'd agree it shouldn't even be considered, but the seller very clearly states their return policy and will take back the card irrespective of the reason.

[BambinoShuffle]

Imagine a guy driven to be the greatest of all time… not limited to DH or Pitcher, but could also play outfield.

He’s been doubted before, he will be doubted again. Enjoy your chip and dip.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Because the seller offers it? It's not a final sale or anything like that, the seller has a return policy and I am entitled to pursue it if I wanted to. If it was final sale then I'd agree it shouldn't even be considered, but the seller very clearly states their return policy and will take back the card irrespective of the reason.

Feel free to share your eBay ID, would you kindly

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Because the seller offers it? It's not a final sale or anything like that, the seller has a return policy and I am entitled to pursue it if I wanted to. If it was final sale then I'd agree it shouldn't even be considered, but the seller very clearly states their return policy and will take back the card irrespective of the reason.

Still a crappy thing to do..you wouldn't even consider returning it had he not got hurt

[livealoha]

disregard answering the question I asked!! his latest injury answered it for me!

[Ziggy]

99% of the cards I buy have no return policy. If it's a crappy thing to do, then the seller should not offer the option. I guess I won't be posting the auto here once I get it, lest people block me on eBay. Have fun folks.

Edit: I get it now, you eBay sellers just don't want to be left holding expensive bags and see Shohei as a retirement fund. Keep pumping.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

99% of the cards I buy have no return policy. If it's a crappy thing to do, then the seller should not offer the option. I guess I won't be posting the auto here once I get it, lest people block me on eBay. Have fun folks.

its for the best

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

The cope on this thread by Ohtani investors is absolutely wild. He was already waaay overpriced for someone entering his age 29-30 season (which may be shot from a pitching perspective, or even from a batting perspective). He has had basically three good seasons plus rookie of the year. His WAR is low. He has hit over 100 RBIs ONCE. People calling him an all time legend (much less the GOAT) are laughable. Sure if he comes back fine from this TJ surgery and does what he did this year for 6-7 more years, we can discuss it but if he's never the same again, N-O. No hall of fame either. Ken Griffey had more than double the amount of HRs at the same age as Ohtani. Yeah he didn't pitch but the man had 8 CONSECUTIVE gold gloves at this point. If Ohtani is never the same, he was absolutely a flash in the pan. A Grant Hill. A Derrick Rose of baseball.

It is so obvious who plowed money in at the top in these threads. Just pure delusion.

You can hold all you want but you just wait. If this man gets Tommy John surgery and sits all of 2024, we are talking 20 months until he plays again. Nobody is going to be giving a single thought to Shohei Ohtani this time next year. And I GUARANTEE you his card prices will reflect that reality.

What a dumb, idiotic post. Ohtani, for 1, already has 34 WAR and one of two players that I know of that have hit 100 homeruns in their career and won 30+ games pitching.

his future looks fine to me, and I'm not overly worried about his future, although I do wonder if he will continue to pitch, and in what capacity.

I also would bet with you that people will still be thinking about Ohtani next year and his prices won't be tanked like many here think.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Don't you have another thread to revive and a fanbase to piss off? Is Ohtani and Judge threads not enough, or are you attempting to revive any others and share your investing wisdom?

Lol pissing off the Ohtani fanbase? I've been in this thread since literally Page 2. I'm as big of an Ohtani homer as you'll find on this board.

Only needing to know so that can either 1) block or 2) avoid the thread. Thx

Adios bro.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Zauron

What a dumb, idiotic post. Ohtani, for 1, already has 34 WAR and one of two players that I know of that have hit 100 homeruns in their career and won 30+ games pitching.

his future looks fine to me, and I'm not overly worried about his future, although I do wonder if he will continue to pitch, and in what capacity.

I also would bet with you that people will still be thinking about Ohtani next year and his prices won't be tanked like many here think.

I love the guy posting that's name is SoccerRCs

Maybe he should stick to that?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I did not get in when you did...I started collecting Ohtani in 2021. I probably have about 600 Ohtani RC cards at this point (mainly low to medium end). I am probably in my Ohtani cards at 5-10x what you are in at this point, but even at that price point I was way ahead to this years market that took off after his WBC.

Not sure why so many people think that Ohtani will not be hobby relevant moving forward. I think Ohtani wants to be an all time great and will play for a very long time in MLB. If he makes it to 10 years he will be a HOF no matter what his stats are just based on his two way accomplishments.

Ohtani is a mortal lock HOFer and will be talked about 100 years from now more than any other player from this generation. If your time horizon is at least to whenever he starts pitching again, you will definitely come out ahead. I just don't think his prices can soar again next season without both, unless he repeats this level of offense again next year, which I doubt.

My other prediction is that he will come back to be a two way superstar for at least 3-5 more years...and then probably be a full time DH or RF for the remainder of his career.

At no point will Ohtani stop pitching. Verlander and Scherzer have proven you can be dominant, with incredible velocity, into your late 30s. People think it's because Ohtani does both that he gets injured. It's the Angels training staff, they have the worst track record in baseball when it comes to starting pitching and injuries.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Best hitter in baseball with 50+ HRs? Surely up from here. To assume he's gonna do it at this pace again is not a great bet, possible of course, but it's alot to expect. Also, his two worst hitting seasons by far were the only two seasons he didn't pitch

You’ve mentioned this twice now. Are you saying that him pitching somehow improves his hitting? Why would that be?

[Trueblue]

For all the gum flapping and gloom, I'm seeing little to no discounts on Ohtani RC autos . I've been refreshing since morning. Was hoping for some Wander/Tatis style dumping even for a few cards. lol.

[pete2345]

Lots of bagholders talking each other off the bridge lmao.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

You’ve mentioned this twice now. Are you saying that him pitching somehow improves his hitting? Why would that be?

We have two separate seasons(but only about 150 games) worth of sample size of offensive performance far lower when he only hit than when he pitched. It's also been proven that offense is worse for a player who DH's vs plays in the field. While Ohtani only pitches once every 6 games, the fact that he has extra pitching routine on those off days might be the equivalent to "not just sitting around and swinging a bat" that results in player's performance at the plate suffering who just DH

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by BBases31

We have two separate seasons(but only about 150 games) worth of sample size of offensive performance far lower when he only hit than when he pitched. It's also been proven that offense is worse for a player who DH's vs plays in the field. While Ohtani only pitches once every 6 games, the fact that he has extra pitching routine on those off days might be the equivalent to "not just sitting around and swinging a bat" that results in player's performance at the plate suffering who just DH

Ah, I gotcha. Appreciate the clarification.

Hopefully if he only hits next year he will buck the trend of DH’s not producing as much by not playing in the field.

[SoccerRCs]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I love the guy posting that's name is SoccerRCs

Maybe he should stick to that?

Clearly needs to be said again...

“An ad hominem attack against an intellectual, not against an idea, is highly flattering. It indicates that the person does not have anything intelligent to say about your message.”-Nassim Taleb

Anything besides ad hominem?