Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I actually enjoy the tough grading from CSG as I have felt PSA has got very lazy with their grading.

Couldn't agree more. At some point, the actual condition of the card is going to matter and not just the acronym on the slab label.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by PunsRTonsOfFun

Couldn't agree more. At some point, the actual condition of the card is going to matter and not just the acronym on the slab label.

Almost 30 years of grading proves otherwise.

If you really believe CSG 9 = PSA 10, this is the arbitrage opportunity of a lifetime for you. Put your money where your mouth is and buy up every CSG 9 you can. You will make an absolute killing cracking out and sending to PSA.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Almost 30 years of grading proves otherwise.

If you really believe CSG 9 = PSA 10, this is the arbitrage opportunity of a lifetime for you. Put your money where your mouth is and buy up every CSG 9 you can. You will make an absolute killing cracking out and sending to PSA.

I don't know about CSG 9 = PSA 10, but I would say most if not all CSG 9.5 = PSA 10. I'm happy to buy CSG 9.5s at a discount for now.

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Almost 30 years of grading proves otherwise.

If you really believe CSG 9 = PSA 10, this is the arbitrage opportunity of a lifetime for you. Put your money where your mouth is and buy up every CSG 9 you can. You will make an absolute killing cracking out and sending to PSA.

I've been buying every CSG 9.5 I can find for the cards I want. I have no desire to crack them and send them to PSA. I take a long term (10-15 years) view of the hobby and, eventually, people should wise up and realize that a grading company that has been front and center for every industry scandal shouldn't be the industry standard. Until then, I'm sure you're right that there will be more money than brains in the industry.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by PunsRTonsOfFun

I've been buying every CSG 9.5 I can find for the cards I want. I have no desire to crack them and send them to PSA. I take a long term (10-15 years) view of the hobby and, eventually, people should wise up and realize that a grading company that has been front and center for every industry scandal shouldn't be the industry standard. Until then, I'm sure you're right that there will be more money than brains in the industry.

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. For PC, use CSG all you want. Do not use them to make money.

[mnvikingstwins]

CSG results for bunch of SI Kids that I separated by hand:

5.5 - 8
6.0 - 11
6.5 - 29
7.0 - 50
7.5 - 34
8.0 - 6

[jrinne17]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. For PC, use CSG all you want. Do not use them to make money.

I have had no issue making money with the cards I’ve got back from them. 4 bulk orders back and I’ve made over $800 on just 10 cards sold. $8 and $12 is much more appealing than $100 to $120 from PSA.

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. For PC, use CSG all you want. Do not use them to make money.

Stay solvent? AYFKM? I'm sorry, I'm buying and collecting sports cards, not daytrading crypto on margin. Also, just because CSG cards aren't making money now, doesn't mean they never will. They've barely been in business a year and they already have a well-deserved reputation for being the toughest grader with the best slab in the industry. That's a great foundation to eventually be a major industry disruptor in the next 5-10 years.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by PunsRTonsOfFun

Stay solvent? AYFKM? I'm sorry, I'm buying and collecting sports cards, not daytrading crypto on margin. Also, just because CSG cards aren't making money now, doesn't mean they never will. They've barely been in business a year and they already have a well-deserved reputation for being the toughest grader with the best slab in the industry. That's a great foundation to eventually be a major industry disruptor in the next 5-10 years.

The option to cross or to crack and cross will always be there. Like has been said, the quality of the card is fundamentally what matters as long as we're not dealing with $5 cards. CSG isn't a fly by night company, either - I'd expect them to outlast everyone except PSA at this point...especially if they wind up in cahoots with Fanatics, as seems highly possible.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by PunsRTonsOfFun

Stay solvent? AYFKM? I'm sorry, I'm buying and collecting sports cards, not daytrading crypto on margin

It’s a saying dude. Calm down.

[YayNJ]

What's that smell?

Oh it's the resident PSA lickspittle

[jduds]

Bulk order shipped 5/9 received 9/1 finally shipped today. Grades were way worse than my first order which was unexpected as I thought I screened these harder. 9.5 rate went from about 65%in the first order to 10% in this one. Some of the lower grades were expected(pc stuff) but still a much bigger dip than anything I thought possible.

[TSonn]

Grading with CSG is not for the faint of heart. Unfortunately I probably won't be subbing with them again but I will be buying CSG slabs since the are most likely over graded (and will cross at least .5 higher with any other company). Slabs are still my favorite.

I've never gotten this % of 8.5s and lower back from any other company with modern cards. Yikes. Makes the 10s and 9.5s pretty awesome though.



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[NYJNYYFan]

Just got my second sub back from mid November. For the most part I’m really happy.




I think they must have made an error on this card. I’m still new to this but i can’t see any way that this is worse than a 7 on corners. Is there anything I can do to have them look at it again ?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jduds

Bulk order shipped 5/9 received 9/1 finally shipped today. Grades were way worse than my first order which was unexpected as I thought I screened these harder. 9.5 rate went from about 65%in the first order to 10% in this one. Some of the lower grades were expected(pc stuff) but still a much bigger dip than anything I thought possible.

I don't know if it's possible but I think they've cranked down even harder on grading. My first 4 bulks were tough but majority 9s and 9.5s - my last bulk was majority 9s and 8.5s.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I don't know if it's possible but I think they've cranked down even harder on grading. My first 4 bulks were tough but majority 9s and 9.5s - my last bulk was majority 9s and 8.5s.

This is my experience too. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing either - infact the exact opposite.

People used to get getting fairly easy 10's with other companies will have a breakdown. Certainly weeds out people that genuinely want the absolute best copy of their cards, and the ones that just want the most return. That said, give it a few years and CSG 10s should carry a hefty premium.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

This is my experience too. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing either - infact the exact opposite.

People used to get getting fairly easy 10's with other companies will have a breakdown. Certainly weeds out people that genuinely want the absolute best copy of their cards, and the ones that just want the most return. That said, give it a few years and CSG 10s should carry a hefty premium.

I like that 10s are super tough. I wish 8.5s and lower weren't so prevalent. It means the card lost money by getting it graded unless I want to crack it out of the slab OR there's a massive shift in how the general public views the CSG grading scale vs other companies.

I'm not selling for a while so it won't matter but seeing a massive stack of 8.5s for modern (mostly chrome) cards is weird. I guess CSG is actually using computer-aided grading unlike other companies who say they are...

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I like that 10s are super tough. I wish 8.5s and lower weren't so prevalent. It means the card lost money by getting it graded unless I want to crack it out of the slab OR there's a massive shift in how the general public views the CSG grading scale vs other companies.

I'm not selling for a while so it won't matter but seeing a massive stack of 8.5s for modern (mostly chrome) cards is weird. I guess CSG is actually using computer-aided grading unlike other companies who say they are...

Do you feel your 8.5s are NM-MT+, and your 9s mint?

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do you feel your 8.5s are NM-MT+, and your 9s mint?

I wish I could say that to my CSG 8.5...way too many.

I think that is the reason I wont be sending anymore anytime soon. the TAT is so long. and the state of ROI is not the best use of grading funds right now on CSG.

I think they do great grading!! the scanning on surface I believe is taking out a lot of my cards I am sending in. That scanner is working way to well. LOL.

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by jjcan

I wish I could say that to my CSG 8.5...way too many.

I think that is the reason I wont be sending anymore anytime soon. the TAT is so long. and the state of ROI is not the best use of grading funds right now on CSG.

I think they do great grading!! the scanning on surface I believe is taking out a lot of my cards I am sending in. That scanner is working way to well. LOL.

TATs are improving quickly. I have an economy w/subs delivered to CSG on 1/3 and shipped 1/24. The website said 60 day TAT when I submitted.

I agree, the surface grading is brutal. They especially don't like A&G framed autos

[PostBaloney]

I had a 70 card order come back last week that had a total of ONE card graded a 9.5 and then 44 of 70 cards graded 8.5

This was all mostly modern cards. I've submitted over 15 orders with CSG results have gone from decent to absolutely horrendous. You can't sell a CSG 8.5 for anymore than raw price. Total waste of time and money

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do you feel your 8.5s are NM-MT+, and your 9s mint?

Good question. My only frame of reference is the cards I've sent in to PSA. I graded about 70 cards with PSA personally and now a little over 200 with CSG. I inspect and prepare the exact same way.

Out of my 70 PSA slabs:
6: 1
8.5: 2

Out of the 200 CSG slabs:
6: 1
7.5: 1
8: 7
8.5s: 36

The most recent bulk sub (the photo of stacks above) was particularly tough. Seems like they've made it even more difficult to get 9+ now.

I'm cracking a few 8.5s to send to PSA economy soon - I expect 9s and even 10s. I'll update when I get them back.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Good question. My only frame of reference is the cards I've sent in to PSA. I graded about 70 cards with PSA personally and now a little over 200 with CSG. I inspect and prepare the exact same way.

Out of my 70 PSA slabs:
6: 1
8.5: 2

Out of the 200 CSG slabs:
6: 1
7.5: 1
8: 7
8.5s: 36

The most recent bulk sub (the photo of stacks above) was particularly tough. Seems like they've made it even more difficult to get 9+ now.

I'm cracking a few 8.5s to send to PSA economy soon - I expect 9s and even 10s. I'll update when I get them back.

Thanks. The question then is what is the correct grade? Seems you believe PSA to be more appropriate, as I don’t think you’d bother sending 45 cards to CSG that couldn’t even get a 9.

Nobody wins when cards are over scrutinized. Except the guy buying the slabs and cracking them out.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Thanks. The question then is what is the correct grade? Seems you believe PSA to be more appropriate, as I don’t think you’d bother sending 45 cards to CSG that couldn’t even get a 9.

Nobody wins when cards are over scrutinized. Except the guy buying the slabs and cracking them out.

Yeah, "correct grade" is also an interesting question and I guess I'd have to read the grading scale and compare to get a sense of what the "correct grade" is. Like everyone else, I want the highest grade possible for the cards I own, regardless if it's correct or not.

If a CSG 8.5 is the "correct grade" but PSA hands out 9s and 10s then obviously PSA is the way to go.

CSG slabs are still my favorite so I'll be buying CSG slabs but most likely won't be subbing CSG anymore until either there's a shift in perception or they loosen up on the grading.

So basically - I'm more comfortable buying CSG slabs over PSA slabs because I think it's a more accurate opinion on the card condition but way more comfortable selling PSA slabs over CSG slabs because of the perception of PSA 9s and 10s.

[mrgant]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Good question. My only frame of reference is the cards I've sent in to PSA. I graded about 70 cards with PSA personally and now a little over 200 with CSG. I inspect and prepare the exact same way.

Out of my 70 PSA slabs:
6: 1
8.5: 2

Out of the 200 CSG slabs:
6: 1
7.5: 1
8: 7
8.5s: 36

The most recent bulk sub (the photo of stacks above) was particularly tough. Seems like they've made it even more difficult to get 9+ now.

I'm cracking a few 8.5s to send to PSA economy soon - I expect 9s and even 10s. I'll update when I get them back.

Please detail your experience cracking the CSG cards and resubbing to PSA. I love the CSG labels and look, but man, they are harsh. I am still sending in some 70's and 80's to CSG just to get a reference on the grade to possibly resub to PSA later.