First Buzz: 2019 Topps Heritage baseball cards

[PrimitiveFlesh]

Picked up 2 hobby boxes from my LCS today. Got a bunch of SPs. Best card was the Bryce Harper team color swap. Fun stuff to open.

[TMQ]

Originally Posted by WhacksPacks

Sorry. Not normally a Heritage breaker but a huge fan of the 1970 Topps design. Looks like I DID pull the French text variant and didnt notice it bc there is no comic like most of the other cards including the base SP Scherzer. Just threw me off bc 2 completely different backs.

Its the French text variation. Notice its in a different language?

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Usually complaining about a product means that fun is not being had....imo.

Nearly all the complaints are about price.

There would be zero complaints about far and few hits if price wasnt so high.

Its still a fun product.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

next year is year #20 for Heritage

this brand is not slowing down.

we are starting to hit the golden years for those of us over the age of 45

The Golden Years for someone aged 45 would be 1980-1985.

I'm 47 this year and first year I got cards was at age 7 in 1980.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

The Golden Years for someone aged 45 would be 1980-1985.

I'm 47 this year and first year I got cards was at age 7 in 1980.

Yea, but didnt you want '70s like i did? LOL (i'll be 48 next month)

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Nearly all the complaints are about price.

There would be zero complaints about far and few hits if price wasnt so high.

Its still a fun product.

I'm not complaining one bit!


I've been making a killing on singles on ebay!

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Yea, but didnt you want '70s like i did? LOL (i'll be 48 next month)

Couldn’t stand 76-78 at the time. Still strongly dislike 73, 74, and 76. Some of the worst Topps designs ever.

[lawrencedc1]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Couldn’t stand 76-78 at the time. Still strongly dislike 73, 74, and 76. Some of the worst Topps designs ever.

I concur.

1. 75'
2. 72'
3. 70'
4. 71'

Rest is were trash designs

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Couldn’t stand 76-78 at the time. Still strongly dislike 73, 74, and 76. Some of the worst Topps designs ever.

Just goes to show how personal opinions about design are.

I love the 1976 design and hate the 1970 & 1979 designs....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Nearly all the complaints are about price.

There would be zero complaints about far and few hits if price wasnt so high.

Its still a fun product.

Bingo.

The complaints about Heritage are about the fact that the price of boxes/cases has risen so high so as to become unaffordable for many collectors, thus depriving them of the fun of ripping/set-building.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Bingo.

The complaints about Heritage are about the fact that the price of boxes/cases has risen so high so as to become unaffordable for many collectors, thus depriving them of the fun of ripping/set-building.

$70-75 vs $85-90 a box. $20 difference I don’t think is going to make or break anyone who wants to collect. Honestly, we aren’t talking about a huge difference. If it were $125 a box I get it, but...if $20 a box difference is making it unaffordable I question that.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

$70-75 vs $85-90 a box. $20 difference I don’t think is going to make or break anyone who wants to collect. Honestly, we aren’t talking about a huge difference. If it were $125 a box I get it, but...if $20 a box difference is making it unaffordable I question that.

It makes a difference and I think you’re being light on the dollar amounts. I bought on presell 2016 and 2017 at $62 and 2018 at $65. Presell on 2019 was $90 and even went up from there. I tend to do 6 boxes so that’s $150 difference. It’s not going to break me for sure as my hobby budget is a couple thousand a year. But it’s enough to make me focus on something else.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

$70-75 vs $85-90 a box. $20 difference I don’t think is going to make or break anyone who wants to collect. Honestly, we aren’t talking about a huge difference. If it were $125 a box I get it, but...if $20 a box difference is making it unaffordable I question that.

$20 a box is close to $250 a case. Are you suggesting that paying $250 more to break a product with fewer hits is not a huge difference?

[ThoseBackPages]

i was told 2019 H wax was dropping?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i was told 2019 H wax was dropping?

well, it did drop from $96.95 to $94.95 on blowout.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

well, it did drop from $96.95 to $94.95 on blowout.

Hobby's dead! Pack it up!

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Hobby's dead! Pack it up!

On to Bowman!!!!!!!!!

[ThoseBackPages]

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

It makes a difference and I think you’re being light on the dollar amounts. I bought on presell 2016 and 2017 at $62 and 2018 at $65. Presell on 2019 was $90 and even went up from there. I tend to do 6 boxes so that’s $150 difference. [B]It’s not going to break me for sure as my hobby budget is a couple thousand a year. But it’s enough to make me focus on something else.

Singles! Singles! Singles!


when I can take a chance on a blaster for $20 or just buy a Soto action for <$20, I'm going to go with the single 24/7.

[rebelpawn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

$20 a box is close to $250 a case. Are you suggesting that paying $250 more to break a product with fewer hits is not a huge difference?

I'm torn on this point. While I agree with you that an increase like that is quite a bit, no one is forcing anyone to buy cases (or boxes). Ripping wax isn't a right or a necessity. Yes it sucks and I don't like the high prices and lack of hits and rookies either, but that's why I only bought two boxes this year.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

$20 a box is close to $250 a case. Are you suggesting that paying $250 more to break a product with fewer hits is not a huge difference?

The argument was collectors were getting shutout due to drastic price increases that make collecting unaffordable. I just don’t think that most collectors buy full cases. 2-3 boxes maybe, but most collectors are not buying cases. And I don’t think (for most) that $20 more per box on 3-4 Boxes is that much. At $75/box you are at $225. At $95/box you are at $285. Most collectors that are willing to drop $225 are still willing to drop $285.if someone can’t afford $285, they probably should not be spending $225.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

The argument was collectors were getting shutout due to drastic price increases that make collecting unaffordable. I just don’t think that most collectors buy full cases. 2-3 boxes maybe, but most collectors are not buying cases. And I don’t think (for most) that $20 more per box on 3-4 Boxes is that much. At $75/box you are at $225. At $95/box you are at $285. Most collectors that are willing to drop $225 are still willing to drop $285.if someone can’t afford $285, they probably should not be spending $225.

The issue isn't affordability....it's value.

So it's not just the increase in box prices, it's also the move from 75 to 100 SP's that has made Heritage less attractive in the eyes of many set-builders.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

It makes a difference and I think you’re being light on the dollar amounts. I bought on presell 2016 and 2017 at $62 and 2018 at $65. Presell on 2019 was $90 and even went up from there. I tend to do 6 boxes so that’s $150 difference. It’s not going to break me for sure as my hobby budget is a couple thousand a year. But it’s enough to make me focus on something else.

Well said.

As someone who is on the proverbial fence as to whether or not to build a Heritage set each year, making it more expensive and difficult to do sure as heck isn't going to make me more likely to do it.

Or to put it another way, at $65-70 a box (what I used to pay at my LCS), I'd probably do 71/72/73/74, years with designs I like but don't love.

At $80-90 a box, I'm probably waiting until 2024 when the 1975 design come out.

[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The issue isn't affordability....it's value.

So it's not just the increase in box prices, it's also the move from 75 to 100 SP's that has made Heritage less attractive in the eyes of many set-builders.

Have built Heritage since the beginning. Personally, I LOVE the change to 100 SPs. The satisfaction of a complete set is that much more. Do I have to spend more money, sure, but 99% of people’s card money should be play money. Can’t blame Topps/Distributors for asking for more coin from consumers when we keep feeding it to them.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i was told 2019 H wax was dropping?

Last I looked it was 70 per box on dealer net. It’s definitely dropping.