NBA Top Shot - High Risk, High Reward?

[ConcordXI]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Gotta think there’s a pretty massive pullback yet to happen at this point? Now 6K Market Sellers to 4.5K Market Buyers and the gap is widening.

Totally ignorant question here, but are you saying the website's marketplace currently has 6000 individuals looking to sell and 4500 looking to buy?

In other words, you're referencing accounts as opposed to volume of moments, right?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by ConcordXI

Totally ignorant question here, but are you saying the website's marketplace currently has 6000 individuals looking to sell and 4500 looking to buy?

In other words, you're referencing accounts as opposed to volume of moments, right?

Great question, I'm just going off what I'm seeing on the below site. The bottom right of the page has the graph. I've seen the seller numbers spike after a pack drop. I know that I posted a few myself.

https://www.cryptoslam.io/nba-top-shot

[BaseGravenberch]

Originally Posted by ConcordXI

Totally ignorant question here, but are you saying the website's marketplace currently has 6000 individuals looking to sell and 4500 looking to buy?

In other words, you're referencing accounts as opposed to volume of moments, right?

It's accounts that put up something for sale vs accounts buying. So yeah it's not really telling. But the market is obviously correcting, which is not weird considering the meteoric growth.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Jeezus....$999....for a Holo Icon Pack

1 Deck the Hoops /99
3 Metallic Gold LE /499
6 Commons /15,000-

I like their player selection as it's balanced between stars and young guys. I would imagine Deck the Hoops Series 1 already has LeBron and Luka. I'm not a fan of the price at all.

Here is the checklist and full list of what will be inserted

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...InuuGIj794BKw#


Deck the Hoops (Series 2) /99

1. Marcus Smart converts a steal into a fastbreak
2. Gordon Hayward splits the Magic defense
3. Coby White absorbs contact for a bucket
4. Andre Drummond gets an easy dunk
5. Tim Hardaway Jr. drives and scores
6. Jerami Grant throws down massive put-back
   
7. Steph Curry hits quick release corner three
8. Victor Oladipo finishes extended reverse layup
9. T.J. Warren spins his way to an easy bucket
   
10. Kawhi Leonard hits pull up jumper at buzzer
    
11. Anthony Davis pivots into a fadeaway
12. Kyle Anderson hits a gap for reverse layup
13. Tyler Herro loses defender with pass fake
14. Jrue Holiday creates space for a three
15. Malik Beasley finishes in transition
16. Brandon Ingram drives for a one-handed slam
17. Mitchell Robinson throws down a alob
18. Luguentz Dort hits a nice reverse layup
19. Aaron Gordon soars for a two-handed slam
20. Tobias Harris finds Tyrese Maxey for an alley-oop
21. Deandre Ayton finishes an alley-oop from Chris Paul
22. Carmelo Anthony hits a fadeaway
23. Buddy Hield hits contested three
24. Dejounte Murray side-steps into a jumper
25. Kyle Lowry creates space for a deep two
26. Rudy Gobert denies a drive attempt
    
27. Russell Westbrook goes backdoor on the Magic

Your points on the pack drop effecting seller numbers is well-taken. I hadn’t considered that, though it does appear that the sellers have started to dip. I’m still a little concerned that we haven’t seen any growth in the buyer pool lately. Also, the larger concern for me is Pranksy continuing to dump his collection having a slow and steady declining effect on prices. Glad to hear your collection has grown in value by 10% though! Like I’ve said, I’m pretty much all Dapper balance for now until I think the timing is right to get back in.

$999 is definitely steep on the pack, so hopefully that scares the masses off. Has to be a pretty decent value even at that price I’m thinking though right?

[BaseGravenberch]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Jeezus....$999....for a Holo Icon Pack

1 Deck the Hoops /99
3 Metallic Gold LE /499
6 Commons /15,000-

I like their player selection as it's balanced between stars and young guys. I would imagine Deck the Hoops Series 1 already has LeBron and Luka. I'm not a fan of the price at all.
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Considering what similar items go for even at that price it's still pretty much guaranteed profit.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by BaseGravenberch

Considering what similar items go for even at that price it's still pretty much guaranteed profit.

The checklist is absolute garbage for their highest priced pack ever. No LeBron, Luka, Giannis, Durant, etc in Holo Icon and only Giannis in the Metallic. Curry and AD are the best Holo Icons. A Marcus Smart steal or Lugentz Dort reverse layup...Really??? They have to be laughing their asses off knowing they will sell over $2M worth of these packs in a very short amount of time. Seems like they used to price these types of packs at $230 so glad to see they have adopted the practices of their physical counterparts. I also see they did another 4am drop of base series 2. Has anyone done the math to figure out how many packs of series 2 would be needed to complete the runs if all cards were switched to LE immediately? With 25k packs at 3 moments per pack, that's 75k moments. If you look at the checklist of that release, they limit the rookies to 25-26 copies of each while having up to 1060 of the others.

Going through the checklist of each series 2 release is interesting. Release 1 had all moments released in similar quantities with a range of 858-930 copies of each moment. Releases 2 & 3 had similar numbers for all except rookies moments which were in the mid 400's per copy. Series 4 the rookies increased ever so slightly while other cards got jacked up to over 2k copies released. Series 5 saw the numbers drop by about 50% from series 4 so a little over 200 copies for rookies and 1k for most base. Series 6 saw base stay the same with rookies dipping to a little under 200 copies. Series 7 saw a huge drop for rookies with just under 50 copies available for each rookie and over 700 copies of most base. Series 8 saw a another small drop in # of rookies with base seeing a slight increase in #'s available. Series 9 had rookies dip to under 40 copies of each available and base about the same as series 8. Series 10 is where the 25-26 copies of each rookie being available started. Using Wiseman as an example, he's only had 2765 out of the 4k print run released. Every other rookie /4000 has similar numbers. If they continue releasing packs with the rookie #'s of the last 3 releases or worse, it's going to take a whole lot more releases to finish the set out.

[Vinny1984]

So apparently I missed the drop last night. Did it go smooth?

[MKCO]

One of the best features of nba topshot is how the purchasing power of dapper bucks increases daily. My worthless USD buys less and less sports cards and satoshis on an almost daily basis. DapperBucks, by contrast, allow me to buy better and more rare GIFs every single day I wait. It feels pretty magical that this group of developers has come up with an amazing new currency that grows its purchasing power each and every day!! Too bad I can't withdraw it.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by MKCO

One of the best features of nba topshot is how the purchasing power of dapper bucks increases daily. My worthless USD buys less and less sports cards and satoshis on an almost daily basis. DapperBucks, by contrast, allow me to buy better and more rare GIFs every single day I wait. It feels pretty magical that this group of developers has come up with an amazing new currency that grows its purchasing power each and every day!! Too bad I can't withdraw it.

this reads like satire, fyi

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by MKCO

One of the best features of nba topshot is how the purchasing power of dapper bucks increases daily. My worthless USD buys less and less sports cards and satoshis on an almost daily basis. DapperBucks, by contrast, allow me to buy better and more rare GIFs every single day I wait. It feels pretty magical that this group of developers has come up with an amazing new currency that grows its purchasing power each and every day!! Too bad I can't withdraw it.

How does that leather boot taste?

Edit: Sorry you were being for real, it's hard to tell with some people on here. Bravo on the post. Fooled me.

[brothertona]

This isn't a great checklist for a $1000 pack. I definitely assumed they'd go heavy on the big guys for a pack like this and you're only really getting Steph, Kawhi and AD are nice but eh?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by brothertona

This isn't a great checklist for a $1000 pack. I definitely assumed they'd go heavy on the big guys for a pack like this and you're only really getting Steph, Kawhi and AD are nice but eh?

And yet, I feel like I want one since it seems like it's guaranteed profit with how things are going.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

And yet, I feel like I want one since it seems like it's guaranteed profit with how things are going.

I mean, the Giannis/Tatum /Ja Metallic likely pays for more than 50% of the pack. They chose decent Series 2 moments so the odds are good you get a rookie. The legendaries are the only suspect ones though. I think you'll easily break even and with a tiny amount of luck crush it.


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[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by brothertona

I mean, the Giannis/Tatum /Ja Metallic likely pays for more than 50% of the pack. They chose decent Series 2 moments so the odds are good you get a rookie. The legendaries are the only suspect ones though. I think you'll easily break even and with a tiny amount of luck crush it.


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These will sell out in minutes if not seconds. I’m not going to put 1k into a pack when that same 1k can buy you singles that have a far greater ROI in this current fire sale marketplace.

That being said, I’m not buying anything at the moment. Just seeing where this wave takes me.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

These will sell out in minutes if not seconds. I’m not going to put 1k into a pack when that same 1k can buy you singles that have a far greater ROI in this current fire sale marketplace.

That being said, I’m not buying anything at the moment. Just seeing where this wave takes me.

I mean do you really think it’s that great of a time to buy? You’re kind of saying yourself that it’s probably not. A ton of liquidity is about to leave the market/is already doing so. Some of your biggest early investors are currently cashing out and the rest of the market who showed up because they heard it was quick money are soon to be withdrawal eligible.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by grade

Look back. you mentioned LL cool J. i said "rapper".


If you cannot risk $100 in anything. You should go back and read your idol tudor books, cause he is willing to risk money .


Get your ducks in a row. LOL

So a random rapper is worth as much as LL Cool J in your eyes? Got it, you really didn't mean to post the pic about Mr Jones and LL Cool J

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I mean do you really think it’s that great of a time to buy? You’re kind of saying yourself that it’s probably not. A ton of liquidity is about to leave the market/is already doing so. Some of your biggest early investors are currently cashing out and the rest of the market who showed up because they heard it was quick money are soon to be withdrawal eligible.

I'm strictly going off my opinion that we will see a big influx of new buyers when they go public. Whatever happens after that, I have no idea. And I would be buying if I had dapper funds but I currently have my money tied up in moments that I am holding.

[orion9578]

If I had $999 in my Dapper, I'd buy a pack. But I'm only sitting at $600~(and a few moments) in the wallet and I'm not putting anymore $$$ into this.

GL to anyone who buys a pack. Post results! I STILL have got 0 packs but I've paid almost 0 attention to this over the past week+.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I'm strictly going off my opinion that we will see a big influx of new buyers when they go public. Whatever happens after that, I have no idea. And I would be buying if I had dapper funds but I currently have my money tied up in moments that I am holding.

I don’t really understand the “going public” thing. Sure, it’s in “beta,” but the cat is out of the bag on this and there’s not some big upcoming public release. Tons of my friends who don’t have ties to sports cards, other sports speculation businesses, crypto, etc. know what TS is and there’s no barrier to entry.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I don’t really understand the “going public” thing. Sure, it’s in “beta,” but the cat is out of the bag on this and there’s not some big upcoming public release. Tons of my friends who don’t have ties to sports cards, other sports speculation businesses, crypto, etc. know what TS is and there’s no barrier to entry.

Yeah a ton of my design friends have talked about it as well. It's definitely known out there. It's just the view of NFT isn't great currently.


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[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I don’t really understand the “going public” thing. Sure, it’s in “beta,” but the cat is out of the bag on this and there’s not some big upcoming public release. Tons of my friends who don’t have ties to sports cards, other sports speculation businesses, crypto, etc. know what TS is and there’s no barrier to entry.

New accounts can’t enter currently.

[gamboooler]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

New accounts can’t enter currently.

They can sign up through Google, they just can't sign up any other way.

[Maverik]

I'm taking the plunge. Super nervous. 5 minutes to drop. Hope I get a pack

[The Accountant]

no way i'm getting one i imagine

[The Accountant]

oh its a queue.... best of luck all