✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[jlemire]

Originally Posted by rms13

Thanks for the unnecessary insults. You're still wrong. There is a huge Asian population in Los Angeles along with all the rich and famous people in the world. And probably the highest potential pay day. He'd make more in endorsements than his contract and he'd be competing for the WS immediately. Maybe he doesn't want the Kevin Durant narrative of winning a championship as part of a super team. Sorry Jays fans but they are irrelevant in MLB. Playing in Canada where baseball is a niche sport isn't going to help his market. If he goes there they will probably be trying to trade him in two years.

Your lack of knowledge about baseball in Canada is hysterical....Ask anyone in Seattle if the Blue Jays are a nice Niche fanbase....Play with the Dodgers and the dodgers fans love you....play with the Jays and an entire country loves you.

[glassofwater]

As a dodger fan I have accepted that he will not be a dodger.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

As a dodger fan I have accepted that he will not be a dodger.

We still have no official announcement.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jlemire

Your lack of knowledge about baseball in Canada is hysterical....Ask anyone in Seattle if the Blue Jays are a nice Niche fanbase....Play with the Dodgers and the dodgers fans love you....play with the Jays and an entire country loves you.

Unfortunately has never translated to hobby success though.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Unfortunately has never translated to hobby success though.

Canadians spending all their money on PSA 10 Young Guns of 3rd line defenseman on the Canadiens.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

anyone who thinks that Yordan is anywhere near Ohtani in The Hobby cannot be taken seriously

remember, this part of this message board "Blowouts Hobby Talk" is about The Hobby

No one said they are comparable in the hobby. But if performance is a significant factor in the card values and popularity of players, than their relative performances are relevant.

Stop trying to derail this thread with misinformation.

[ironfireman]

Originally Posted by jlemire

Your lack of knowledge about baseball in Canada is hysterical....Ask anyone in Seattle if the Blue Jays are a nice Niche fanbase....Play with the Dodgers and the dodgers fans love you....play with the Jays and an entire country loves you.

Canada is an entire country... same population as California. Dodgers have more than 2x the fans of Toronto. This probably closes that gap significantly though! Just didn't see this one coming and doesn't make much sense TO ME.
Hopefully good for baseball!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

No one said they are comparable in the hobby. But if performance is a significant factor in the card values and popularity of players, than their relative performances are relevant.

Stop trying to derail this thread with misinformation.

no misinformation here. The Hobby has spoken.

You seemed to have missed out on Ohtani cards, dont worry about it, it will be ok.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JRX

Ohtani can also run something else Yordan doesn't do.

He has good speed, but he also had fewer stolen bases than Freddie Freeman last season -- 23 vs 20. Fangraphs says Freeman had more baserunning runs than Ohtani last season -- 5.1 vs 3.4.

[Trueblue]

I follow Ohtani. The team he comes with is something I just deal with.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

No one said they are comparable in the hobby

Then what are you yapping about?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

No one said they are comparable in the hobby. But if performance is a significant factor in the card values and popularity of players, than their relative performances are relevant.

Stop trying to derail this thread with misinformation.

Well once Yordan plays a full year and hits 50+ hr, more people will care. Until then he's a top hitter who doesn't play enough, can't run, and can't field.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no misinformation here. The Hobby has spoken.

You seemed to have missed out on Ohtani cards, dont worry about it, it will be ok.

The hobby is fickle and fluid, my friend. A hot player one year is a nobody the next.

I have a nice Ohtani auto rookie in my collection, btw.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Then what are you yapping about?

Maybe they should be? If Ohtani is the Zeus of modern baseball trading cards, maybe Yordan should at least be Poseidon?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The hobby is fickle and fluid, my friend. A hot player one year is a nobody the next.

I have a nice Ohtani auto rookie in my collection, btw.

for sure, but you are coming after Ohtani here, bring Yordan to the fight is not the flex you think it is.

[pezzicle]

Originally Posted by rms13

Thanks for the unnecessary insults. You're still wrong. There is a huge Asian population in Los Angeles along with all the rich and famous people in the world. And probably the highest potential pay day. He'd make more in endorsements than his contract and he'd be competing for the WS immediately. Maybe he doesn't want the Kevin Durant narrative of winning a championship as part of a super team. Sorry Jays fans but they are irrelevant in MLB. Playing in Canada where baseball is a niche sport isn't going to help his market. If he goes there they will probably be trying to trade him in two years.

LA population is about 12% Asian. Toronto population is about 30% Asian, with about 13% Japanese/Korean. The Asian community here in Toronto is massive.

He would make massive money on endorsements up here, and baseball is in no way a niche sport in this country. He will be the face of baseball in the entire nation for his entire contract. The Jays are a massive team across this country

[ThoseBackPages]

if its all about being Asian, then he should absolutely go to Queens

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He has good speed, but he also had fewer stolen bases as Freddie Freeman last season -- 23 vs 20. Fangraphs says Freeman had more baserunning runs than Ohtani last season -- 5.1 vs 3.4.

That's nice, but your comparison is to Yordan. Last 3 years Yordan has 4 triples and 2 stolen bases. Ohtani has 22 triples and 57sb. Yordan DHs because he's a one dimensional player who can't do anything else well. Ohtani DHs because he pitches. There's zero comparison.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Maybe they should be? If Ohtani is the Zeus of modern baseball trading cards, maybe Yordan should at least be Poseidon?

If you can’t see the issues the hobby has with Yordan, there’s no hope for you.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JRX

Well once Yordan plays a full year and hits 50+ hr, more people will care. Until then he's a top hitter who doesn't play enough, can't run, and can't field.

Yordan has showed up when it's mattered most -- in the postseason, baby:

Career in the postseason: .295/.393/.556, 244 PA, 12 HR, 41 RB, 2.25 WPA

Ohtani in the postseason: zilch

[Hollywood42]

Ohtani super bowl trophies: Zero

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pezzicle

LA population is about 12% Asian. Toronto population is about 30% Asian, with about 13% Japanese/Korean. The Asian community here in Toronto is massive.

He would make massive money on endorsements up here, and baseball is in no way a niche sport in this country. He will be the face of baseball in the entire nation for his entire contract. The Jays are a massive team across this country

And Canadians in general are just super nice. I can see why culturally he would want to be around that.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pezzicle

LA population is about 12% Asian. Toronto population is about 30% Asian, with about 13% Japanese/Korean. The Asian community here in Toronto is massive.

He would make massive money on endorsements up here, and baseball is in no way a niche sport in this country. He will be the face of baseball in the entire nation for his entire contract. The Jays are a massive team across this country

Again, has not translated to hobby success for Blue Jays players. So I’m not sure how Ohtani would get anything close to the bump in Toronto that he would in LA or New York.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If you can’t see the issues the hobby has with Yordan, there’s no hope for you.

I see an all-time great postseason performer. I see a World Series champ. I see a franchise cornerstone, along with another epic postseason performer in Jose Altuve.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yordan has showed up when it's mattered most -- in the postseason, baby:

Career in the postseason: .295/.393/.556, 244 PA, 12 HR, 41 RB, 2.25 WPA

Ohtani in the postseason: zilch

........and The Hobby doesnt care.