2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Hopefully none of them were named Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren.

He said women

[mfisher27]

But this is nothing new, Presidential campaigns used to travel by train to reach out to as many people as they can.

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

There is no need for huge parties, private jets, fireworks, projection screens, endless commercials, etc... IMO if you are the best candidate and you have your plans/beliefs set out in detail and yours is the best then why do you need to travel to every single state etc? The "candidates" who run against each other usually just end up pointing fingers and blaming others until they win instead of really trying to make a difference.

[jcardstore]

I only want to say a couple things.

Hillary is a criminal and deserves to be in prison. She's owned by the highest bidder and doesn't care about any of us because all the big money is in Wall Street and the Defense industry. She's the epitome of everything that is wrong with politics. Certainly the most corrupt politician that I've ever seen run for president. A snake would be a good comparison but that's degrading to snakes around the world. SHe's the kind of person who smiles and tells you everything will be ok and then stabs you right in the back the second you turn around because someone gave her money to do it

Trump is some villages idiot that wandered away. He's probably a bigot and only cares about attention and his own personal brand. Many of the outlandish things he says I doubt he actually believes, he simply wants to be in the media spotlight. I'm convinced he ran as a joke or a bet or something and realized that he could tap into the anger of Americans.

That being said I don't think either is fit to be president. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to vote I would vote for Trump simply because Hillary is pure evil and corruption. Since I don't have a gun to my head I will not be voting.

I don't care when people get upset at me that I'm not voting because I don't support our corrupt political system. The Bicameral system was designed to divide and conquer. The populace is much easier to control when we're all fighting each other. I don't want to be boxed into Republican/Democrat because I believe in ideals on both sides of the fence.

I really wonder, are people actually voting for Clinton because they like her? Or are they voting for her because they hate Trump? I'd say the latter

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I only want to say a couple things.

Hillary is a criminal and deserves to be in prison. She's owned by the highest bidder and doesn't care about any of us because all the big money is in Wall Street and the Defense industry. She's the epitome of everything that is wrong with politics. Certainly the most corrupt politician that I've ever seen run for president. A snake would be a good comparison but that's degrading to snakes around the world. SHe's the kind of person who smiles and tells you everything will be ok and then stabs you right in the back the second you turn around because someone gave her money to do it

Trump is some villages idiot that wandered away. He's probably a bigot and only cares about attention and his own personal brand. Many of the outlandish things he says I doubt he actually believes, he simply wants to be in the media spotlight. I'm convinced he ran as a joke or a bet or something and realized that he could tap into the anger of Americans.

That being said I don't think either is fit to be president. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to vote I would vote for Trump simply because Hillary is pure evil and corruption. Since I don't have a gun to my head I will not be voting.

I don't care when people get upset at me that I'm not voting because I don't support our corrupt political system. The Bicameral system was designed to divide and conquer. The populace is much easier to control when we're all fighting each other. I don't want to be boxed into Republican/Democrat because I believe in ideals on both sides of the fence.

The Libertarian Party welcomes you with open arms

[chipmaster]

If the OFFICIAL Blowout Cards poll so far is in indicator, Trump wins by a landslide.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

The Libertarian Party welcomes you with open arms

I like the libertarian party, I really do but the way the establishments been setup they have almost no chance.

I like Gary Johnson but he's got no chance, unfortunately

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

I'd like to petition the OP to be fair and include all the Presidential candidates in the poll. Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are polling over 10%. Once in the debates and they get their deserved (heck even half of their deserved media coverage), the polls are going to look 33-33-33. This election will end up with the House of Representatives electing the next President.

You forgot about Jill Stein!

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I like the libertarian party, I really do but the way the establishments been setup they have almost no chance.

I like Gary Johnson but he's got no chance, unfortunately

Join us in the movement for change! Don't you want to look back one day and say, "dang it was good to be an OG that helped reform american politics from a 2 party system to a better and more inclusive system"

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by JosieD

You forgot about Jill Stein!

Ohhh, I don't forget about her. Unfortunately, due to stupid election rules/laws, she won't be allowed on the ballot in all 50 states. I would be happy to see more of all political parties. The current 2 party system is corrupt AF and needs to go. Gary Johnson and her had a very good and civil debate 4 years ago. I hope it happens again.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Ohhh, I don't forget about her. Unfortunately, due to stupid election rules/laws, she won't be allowed on the ballot in all 50 states. I would be happy to see more of all political parties. The current 2 party system is corrupt AF and needs to go. Gary Johnson and her had a very good and civil debate 4 years ago. I hope it happens again.

Oh crap. I guess I should read up on Gary Johnson.

I am not afraid to admit I voted for Ralph Nader for as many years as I could.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I know I just said I'm going to try to now get myself wrapped up in this, but I can't help it

Do you also like his claims that all Mexicans are rapists, plans to deport all Muslims, mocking disabled people, general condescending attitude towards essentially everyone, and a complete lack of knowledge of seemingly everything? I'm all for getting rid of corruption in politics. But if you think electing Donald Trump is the best way to do that, you are ignoring basically everything else about him.

The true context of what Trump was speaking about. Repeat offenders that were released back in to society.

The information below is taken from news sources. The aliens in these reports were all identified as being in the country illegally, and many of them had come into the hands of law enforcement agencies prior to the crime that is described below, but the alien was not deported or in some cases was deported but reentered the country.
These cases are listed as a demonstration that better prevention of illegal immigration is a public safety issue even though these cases are not representative of the illegal alien population in general. These cases refer to crimes other than terrorism.
July 2016 — Mauricio Morales-Caceres, an illegal alien from El Salvador was sentenced in Montgomery County, Maryland to life in prison without parole for the stabbing death of another Salvadoran. Morales identified himself as an MS-13 gang member, and testimony indicated he had no remorse for his crime. (Washington Post July 15, 1016)
June 2016 — Aroldo Castillo-Serrano, a Guatemalan illegal alien, was sentence to 15 years in prison in Ohio for forced labor conspiracy, forced labor, witness tampering and encouraging illegal entry into the country. Castillo paid smugglers to smuggle teen-aged Guatemalan youth into the country under the promise of getting them into school and then put them to work as indentured servants in an egg farm. (Fox News Latino, June 27, 2016)
June 2016 — A Mexican illegal alien, Juan Carlos Sepulveda-Castro, was sentenced to two and one half years in prison in Idaho for threatening people with an assault rifle. The news report notes that illegal aliens are prohibited from possessing a firearm. (Pocatello TV channel 8)
June 2016 — Eleven illegal alien members of the Salvadoran MS-13 gang have been convicted of a series of crimes including murder. Jorge Enrique Moreno-Aguilar, Juan Alberto Ortiz-Orellana and Minor Perez, all from Maryland were convicted in mid-May of murder and conspiracy in a racketeering enterprise. (MRC-TV May 24, 2016) New Jersey gang members Santos Reyes-Villatoro, Mario Oliva, Roberto Contreras, Julian Moz-Aguilar, Hugo Palencia, Jose Garcia, Cruz Flores, and Esau Ramirez were convicted in late May in New Jersey of various murder, racketeering and firearms crimes. (MRC-TV, June 2, 2016)
May 2016 — Illegal aliens, Reinol Vergara and Edson Benitez, pled guilty to second degree murder for the death of a 90 year-old Minnesota man they beat and tied up while they stole from his home, leaving him to bleed to death. (Breibart News May 11, 2016)
April 2016 — A Salvadoran illegal alien, Mauricio Morales-Caceres, was convicted of first degree murder in Maryland and sentenced to life imprisonment. (Washington Post, April 30, 2016)
March 2016 — Juan Razo, a Mexican illegal alien living in Painesville, Ohio, agreed to plead guilty to a crime spree that included the shooting death of a 60-year old woman, attempted rape of a 14-year old girl, kidnapping and burglary. His plea was to avoid the death penalty and accept a life sentence. (Cleveland.com, March 4, 2016)
February 2016 — Three illegal aliens from Mexico were sentenced to federal prison for alien smuggling and illegally re-entering the U.S. after previous deportations. One man was sentenced to 57 months, another will serve 24 months, and the last man was sentenced to serve 12 months and one day in prison. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, February 2, 2016)
January 2016 — An illegal alien from Mexico was sentenced to nearly 6 years in prison after having been convicted for transporting illegal aliens, which resulted in the death of two illegal aliens. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, January 20, 2016)
December 2015 — A 40-year-old illegal alien, Michael Rodriguez Garcia, was sentenced to four life terms for the rape and sodomy of two children in Alabama. (Breitbart News, December 2, 2015)
November 2015 — Humberto Erazo-Medrano and Ricardo Castaneda, two illegal aliens, were arrested and charged with second-degree promoting prostitution in Alabama. The bond for each man is set at $100,000. (Gadsden Times, November 2, 2015)
October 2015 — Marco Hernandez Ramirez, a 34-year-old illegal alien from Guatemala, was sentenced to 40 years in prison for killing a couple and their 5-year-old daughter in a car crash. (Athens Banner-Herald, October 14, 2015)
September 2015 — An illegal alien from Mexico, Martin Margarito-Casimiro, was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison for kidnapping a man in Texas. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, September 24, 2015)
August 2015 — Jose Angel Villarreal-Sanchez, a 42-year-old illegal alien from Mexico, was convicted of possessing a firearm in Texas. According to federal law, illegal aliens are not permitted to possess firearms. Three baggies of cocaine were also found hidden in his backyard. Villarreal-Sanchez is expected to be sentenced in December. He could face up to 10 years in federal prison and a possible $250,000 fine. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, August 11, 2015)
July 2015 — Ever Olivos-Gutierrez, an illegal visa overstayer, was convicted of second degree murder in Colorado for the death he caused while driving intoxicated. It was the fourth time since 2000 he had been arrested for DUI, but there was no record of immigration authorities ever being notified. He was sentenced to 40 years imprisonment. (Denver Channel 7)
June 2015 — A Salvadoran, Mauricio Hernandez, convicted of rape and murder of the baby born to his victim was sentenced to 50 years in prison in Texas and faces deportation when he has served his sentence. (The Dallas Morning News, June 5, 2015)
May 2015 — A Salvadoran, Julio C. Saravia, faces deportation following a prison sentence of 29 years for rape of a minor, to which he pled guilty in Virginia.
May 2015 — Two Mexicans, Juan Hernandez-Sanchez and (FNU) Canela-Perez, pled guilty in Portland, Oregon and were sentenced to seven years in state prison for distribution of methamphetamines and heroin. (Oregonian, May 14, 2015)
May 2015 — Zeng Liang Chen and Dong Biao Lin, illegal aliens from China, were convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison in New Jersey. (NJ.com, May 5, 2015)
May 2015 —Bernabe Flores, a Mexican illegal alien, pled guilty to first-degree rape in California and was sentenced to eight years in prison. (Times-Herald Record, May 7, 2015)
April 2015 — Victor Garzon-Alvarez, a Mexican illegal alien pled guilty and was sentenced in New Jersey to 14 years in prison for murder. (NJ.com, April 22, 2015)
April 2015 — Sergio Quezada Lopez, a Mexican illegal alien who had been deported four times, was sentenced in Oregon to 15 years in prison for a heroin overdose death. His brother, Gerardo Chalke Lopez, also a previously deported alien, was earlier sentenced to 18 years in prison on the same charges. (Oregonian, April 29, 2015)
April 2015 — Three illegal aliens, Uriel Ramirez-Perez, Darwin Zuniga-Rocha, and Eliseo Mateo Perez, pled guilty to first-degree sexual abuse (rape) in New York and were sentenced to time served in jail and will be deported. (Daily News, April 29, 2015)
March 2015 — Javier Guerrero Molina, a Mexican illegal alien, was sentenced in federal court in Jacksonville, Florida to 10 years imprisonment for attempting to transport a minor to engage in sexual activity. Guerrero said he had entered the United States illegally in 1999 or 2000. (Dept. of Justice, Middle District of Florida, March 30, 2015)
March 2015 — An Idaho judge sentenced Phuong Hoang Le, a Vietnamese illegal alien, to prison for 36 months. Le was convicted of possession of a stolen car and stolen credit card. The judge commented, "Stealing cars and credit cards strike at the hearts of average middle class citizens." The prosecutor said that Le had 10 prior felony convictions, but that according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, he is not likely to be deported because if Le were to be deported to Vietnam "he would be killed." (Mini-Cassia News | magicvalley.com — March 25, 2015)
March 2015 — Luis Daniel Cabrera-Guzman, a Mexican illegal alien, was sentenced in Kansas City to two years in federal prison for conspiracy to produce and distribute false and counterfeit identification documents that were sold to illegal aliens. He had previously been deported twice in 2009. Four other Mexican illegal aliens have pled guilty to the same conspiracy and await sentencing. (Kansas City infozine, March 25, 2015)
February 2015 — Sergio Cobaruvias-Romero, an illegal alien from Mexico, was convicted of possessing with intent to distribute drugs in Texas. He was found with 20 bundles of methamphetamine weighing 46 pounds and four bundles of heroine weighing 13 pounds. He was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, February 17, 2015)
January 2015 — Jaime Gerardo Serrano-Villegas, a 28-year-old illegal alien from Mexico, was convicted of transporting illegal aliens. He assisted in moving a boat filled with illegal aliens and faces up to 10 years in federal prison. (U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of Texas, January 14, 2015)

[preakness]

The fact that Trump is not a career politician is a positive. That's one of his draws. The more you remind me that he's not connected to special interest group or same old same old, super!!

Never ever ever ever did he say all or most Mexicans are rapists. Says a lot if someone actually thinks he said that.

Never did he say all Muslims should be banned forever. He and others stated that with the craziness that's happening in the world and the open threat where Isis even openly admitted that they plan on sending in terrorists with the other Muslims that are entering the US, that in his opinion USA should put a temporary ban until they do a better job monitoring who is coming in

So many of our larger inner cities that have brutal crime and high high murder rates with patches of the city dependent on welfare are led by democrats. At what point in time are the people living in poverty, whose children are going to be working uphill to get out of poverty, going to finally stop, think, and say "why not change and vote a different way?"

Rudy G is awesome
So is the officer from Milwaukee

The exchange between Megyn Kelly (yummy) and the black panther guy was incredible.

Why keep playing a veteran player whose hitting .225 but has many many many years of experience?
Once in a while take a chance on something new and different

[preakness]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I only want to say a couple things.

Hillary is a criminal and deserves to be in prison. She's owned by the highest bidder and doesn't care about any of us because all the big money is in Wall Street and the Defense industry. She's the epitome of everything that is wrong with politics. Certainly the most corrupt politician that I've ever seen run for president. A snake would be a good comparison but that's degrading to snakes around the world. SHe's the kind of person who smiles and tells you everything will be ok and then stabs you right in the back the second you turn around because someone gave her money to do it

Trump is some villages idiot that wandered away. He's probably a bigot and only cares about attention and his own personal brand. Many of the outlandish things he says I doubt he actually believes, he simply wants to be in the media spotlight. I'm convinced he ran as a joke or a bet or something and realized that he could tap into the anger of Americans.

That being said I don't think either is fit to be president. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to vote I would vote for Trump simply because Hillary is pure evil and corruption. Since I don't have a gun to my head I will not be voting.

I don't care when people get upset at me that I'm not voting because I don't support our corrupt political system. The Bicameral system was designed to divide and conquer. The populace is much easier to control when we're all fighting each other. I don't want to be boxed into Republican/Democrat because I believe in ideals on both sides of the fence.

I really wonder, are people actually voting for Clinton because they like her? Or are they voting for her because they hate Trump? I'd say the latter

I like many parts of your posts

I too agree that many voting for Hillary aren't not really pumped about her. Sure experience is there but look at some of the negatives with that experience. Many voting for Hillary just to follow the never trump

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by preakness

The fact that Trump is not a career politician is a positive. That's one of his draws. The more you remind me that he's not connected to special interest group or same old same old, super!!

Never ever ever ever did he say all or most Mexicans are rapists. Says a lot if someone actually thinks he said that.

Never did he say all Muslims should be banned forever. He and others stated that with the craziness that's happening in the world and the open threat where Isis even openly admitted that they plan on sending in terrorists with the other Muslims that are entering the US, that in his opinion USA should put a temporary ban until they do a better job monitoring who is coming in

So many of our larger inner cities that have brutal crime and high high murder rates with patches of the city dependent on welfare are led by democrats. At what point in time are the people living in poverty, whose children are going to be working uphill to get out of poverty, going to finally stop, think, and say "why not change and vote a different way?"

Rudy G is awesome
So is the officer from Milwaukee

The exchange between Megyn Kelly (yummy) and the black panther guy was incredible.

Why keep playing a veteran player whose hitting .225 but has many many many years of experience?
Once in a while take a chance on something new and different

This is exactly how I feel. I honestly feel he cares about what is going on in the country and is going to do what is right regardless of Americas PC stance on things. The simple fact he is an outsider of the Beltway is a positive.

[gatordeve86]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

I'd like to petition the OP to be fair and include all the Presidential candidates in the poll. Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are polling over 10%. Once in the debates and they get their deserved (heck even half of their deserved media coverage), the polls are going to look 33-33-33. This election will end up with the House of Representatives electing the next President.

my mom is a conspiracy theorist (which she denies) but she said this election was set up that way so they can declare martial law. she said supposedly an email went out a could years ago about this

[ronaldo943]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

The true context of what Trump was speaking about. Repeat offenders that were released back in to society.

He already admitted that his claims of Donald's "claims" were not accurate.

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Fine, you're right, technically he never said "all" Mexicans are rapists. He "only" insinuated that the majority of people coming across the border illegally are rapists and killers. Fine, maybe he has never outright said he wants to deport all Muslims, but he certainly has suggested it pretty blatantly.

[preakness]

Suppose you packed a tent outside Best Buy at 7PM on Thanksgiving waiting for the doors to open at 5AM on Black Friday so that you can get a great deal. First 100 in line guaranteed to get the great deal item. You camp out, follow the rules, play Pokemon Go, respect others throughout the evening. 60 seconds before the doors open 101 individuals who didn't wait, didn't follow proper procedures, and didn't care about policy jump in front of all others and enter the store.

1) Would that be fine?
2) Would you be mad at Best Buy management for not doing something better about the unfair situation?


Love this discussion in the classroom.
Especially interesting to hear the replies from students (certain percentage have relatives who are illegal) and then see the looks in faces when staff compares it to illegal immigrants.
Funny when some say those cutting in line should be jailed. Some comments even include that if a person is going to cut in front of me after I waited and followed rules, then they will be pummeled with bullets.

Those lessons are fun.
Gets students to think and look at all sides

[preakness]

Can we all agree that looking at Megyn Kelly is better than looking at Wolf B?

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by preakness

Suppose you packed a tent outside Best Buy at 7PM on Thanksgiving waiting for the doors to open at 5AM on Black Friday so that you can get a great deal. First 100 in line guaranteed to get the great deal item. You camp out, follow the rules, play Pokemon Go, respect others throughout the evening. 60 seconds before the doors open 101 individuals who didn't wait, didn't follow proper procedures, and didn't care about policy jump in front of all others and enter the store.

1) Would that be fine?
2) Would you be mad at Best Buy management for not doing something better about the unfair situation?


Love this discussion in the classroom.
Especially interesting to hear the replies from students (certain percentage have relatives who are illegal) and then see the looks in faces when staff compares it to illegal immigrants.
Funny when some say those cutting in line should be jailed. Some comments even include that if a person is going to cut in front of me after I waited and followed rules, then they will be pummeled with bullets.

Those lessons are fun.
Gets students to think and look at all sides

I don't believe that anyone should be killed for coming across the border illegally. I do think we need to increase the number of border patrol agents, fly drones whatever it takes to stop illegals and drugs flooding into America. What I find sad is Kate's law did not pass. How can Democrats not support a law that would punish illegal immigrants with felony convictions from coming back to the states. This law was a no brainer in my opinion, but it was voted upon party lines. This tells me right there that Democrats do not have the best interest of American Citizens.

[chipmaster]

Originally Posted by preakness

Funny when some say those cutting in line should be jailed. Some comments even include that if a person is going to cut in front of me after I waited and followed rules, then they will be pummeled with bullets.

Just proof that the pussification of America has been underway for years. You have to put things into "materialistic context" in order for a point to get across rather than "Hey, we (Americans) all pay our way here and feel it's unfair that illegals pillage our society, suck up our social programs and use our school systems."

Illegal means illegal last I checked

[bd3d86]

Not really a fan of either. I can't stand Clinton and her crooked ways, so that leaves Trump. I realize there are negatives to both sides and it stinks to have to vote for "the lesser of two evils", but really that's what it comes down to for me. Hillary should be in jail in my opinion, so I guess I'm voting Trump.

[preakness]

I almost voted neither because some parts of Trump makes me shake my head but then decided neither to me means not a vote against Hillary

[preakness]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I don't believe that anyone should be killed for coming across the border illegally. I do think we need to increase the number of border patrol agents, fly drones whatever it takes to stop illegals and drugs flooding into America. What I find sad is Kate's law did not pass. How can Democrats not support a law that would punish illegal immigrants with felony convictions from coming back to the states. This law was a no brainer in my opinion, but it was voted upon party lines. This tells me right there that Democrats do not have the best interest of American Citizens.

I don't think anyone should be killed either for crossing border.
Those were comments by students.

Hate when politicians don't vote for what's best for USA but rather what's best for party.
Both parties guilty

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Montgomery Brewster said it best!

I came here to post this. Now I don't know what to do with the rest of my morning...

[IronMonkey415]

I wanted to vote NEITHER but accidentally click on Trump.
I think the IPhone 4C screen is too small for my finger.