Visit Card Trimmer Justin Stafford of Mohawk Sports Cards at the National- Booth 619

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by smgcards

How does anyone know for fact about any of this? Is everyone just taking 312's information as gospel? Has anyone done their own fact checking? Has anyone actually seen any one of the accused trim a card? Is there video evidence of any specific person trimming? Is it plausible, as someone stated earlier, that 312 was the trimmer for all these people and everyone sent him the cards to trim and when he got cutoff of the profits he started creating these threads?

Too many threads for you? Too many trimmed cards? Just wait...

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by smgcards

How does anyone know for fact about any of this? Is everyone just taking 312's information as gospel? Has anyone done their own fact checking? Has anyone actually seen any one of the accused trim a card? Is there video evidence of any specific person trimming? Is it plausible, as someone stated earlier, that 312 was the trimmer for all these people and everyone sent him the cards to trim and when he got cutoff of the profits he started creating these threads?

Iceman, is that you?

[smgcards]

Where did I write any of that? Keep going please.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Too many threads for you? Too many trimmed cards? Just wait...

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by smgcards

Where did I write any of that? Keep going please.

Your ebay link isn't working. SMGCRDZ

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by smgcards

How does anyone know for fact about any of this? Is everyone just taking 312's information as gospel? Has anyone done their own fact checking? Has anyone actually seen any one of the accused trim a card? Is there video evidence of any specific person trimming? Is it plausible, as someone stated earlier, that 312 was the trimmer for all these people and everyone sent him the cards to trim and when he got cutoff of the profits he started creating these threads?

The other morning my driveway was wet. So was my lawn and my street. I think the trees were wet but I didn’t check. I think it rained overnight but it could have been a crazy neighbor playing a joke. I don’t know since I don’t have it on video.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Or they're cool if someone else does the work to clean it up, but they won't lift a finger or even provide information. All while saying how opposed they are to fraud.

Originally Posted by superdan49

You just described virtually every auction house's attitude about this scandal.

Originally Posted by pspa123

So why don't you contact the promoters with the information that's been provided?

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

My question for you is, why do you have no desire to say something to these people that you know for a fact are committing fraud and actively destroying the hobby and business you are very much a part of? Is it because you hope someone else will do it, don't care enough, want to avoid any confrontation at all costs? Serious question.

We are all asking the same question of each other. You realize that, right? SuperDan isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. 312 isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. Pspa isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. and I am not going to Chicago to confront anyone. We are all literally asking each other why the other won't step and say something, and nobody except me apparently is willing to own it. Don't throw rocks at me if you all are sitting on the sidelines as well. Booth 619 is wide open for the taking. Who is going in?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

We are all asking the same question of each other. You realize that, right? SuperDan isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. 312 isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. Pspa isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. and I am not going to Chicago to confront anyone. We are all literally asking each other why the other won't step and say something, and nobody except me apparently is willing to own it. Don't throw rocks at me if you all are sitting on the sidelines as well. Booth 619 is wide open for the taking. Who is going in?

The only two options are to do nothing or a make scene at National.

[majestik101]

Someone at the National should absolutely confront these criminals, and that's what they are criminals. Bring attention to them face to face, make things uncomfortable. Make them squirm.

[smgcards]

Do it then.

Originally Posted by majestik101

Someone at the National should absolutely confront these criminals, and that's what they are criminals. Bring attention to them face to face, make things uncomfortable. Make them squirm.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Your ebay link isn't working. SMGCRDZ

Here it is:

https://www.ebay.com/usr/debbygr

debbygr

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by smgcards

Do it then.

I work. And live 2,000 miles away from Chicago.

[smgcards]

Nice! Bid on my auctions!

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Here it is:

https://www.ebay.com/usr/debbygr

debbygr

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I work. And live 2,000 miles away from Chicago.

But according to them, we are all capable of sending an e-mail to the promoters. You are just as guilty as all of us if you say nothing. By midnight I predict a whole bunch of other folks will come out and admit they aren't going to say or do anything.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

We are all asking the same question of each other. You realize that, right? SuperDan isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. 312 isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. Pspa isn't going to Chicago to confront anyone. and I am not going to Chicago to confront anyone. We are all literally asking each other why the other won't step and say something, and nobody except me apparently is willing to own it. Don't throw rocks at me if you all are sitting on the sidelines as well. Booth 619 is wide open for the taking. Who is going in?

But those two guys are working tirelessly to uncover fraud and publicize it, and I am sure they are doing more behind the scenes that they aren't saying. What are you doing other than sniping at 312 and claiming you are against fraud and justifying doing nothing at all?

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by smgcards

How does anyone know for fact about any of this? Is everyone just taking 312's information as gospel? Has anyone done their own fact checking? Has anyone actually seen any one of the accused trim a card? Is there video evidence of any specific person trimming? Is it plausible, as someone stated earlier, that 312 was the trimmer for all these people and everyone sent him the cards to trim and when he got cutoff of the profits he started creating these threads?

EVEN IF 312 was the trimmer for these guys (which I doubt), it doesn't make any of them any less GUILTY since they participated in and actively concealed all types of fraud. So what now?

PS: Fix your dead ebay ID...any reason for an account switch?

[chezball]

Sending this info to people that run the National doesn't do squat.
I sent them the BNC thread and all I got was some generic BS e-mail from them.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by pspa123

But those two guys are working tirelessly to uncover fraud and publicize it, and I am sure they are doing more behind the scenes that they aren't saying. What are you doing other than sniping at 312 and claiming you are against fraud and justifying doing nothing at all?

As much as you and everyone else who has commented in this thread in regards to saying or doing something in Chicago. You act like I'm the ONLY person in 25 threads besides Dan and 312 who has the power to say or do something. So because I vocalized it, it's on me now? If I had stayed quiet, the thread would have continued on as is, with lots of bashing of mohawks and no action whatsoever.

[superdan49]

I'm confused as what the shared goal of the auctionjmm and smgcards is here. I've never personally said "go confront these guys." And to be honest, as long as the conversation does not escalate to yelling, why is calling someone out in person bad?

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

EVEN IF 312 was the trimmer for these guys (which I doubt), it doesn't make any of them any less GUILTY since they participated in and actively concealed all types of fraud. So what now?

By the way, your ebay ID link in your avatar is dead...have to switch accounts for some reason?

That's a moot point. If 312 was involved he wouldn't be getting praised. I DO NOT think he was involved. I'm just saying, nobody would be praising him if he said "I'm a former trimmer who decided to out my partners". Thus, it's a moot point.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

That's a moot point. If 312 was involved he wouldn't be getting praised. I DO NOT think he was involved. I'm just saying, nobody would be praising him if he said "I'm a former trimmer who decided to out my partners". Thus, it's a moot point.

If it is moot, why is it being brought up (perhaps other than to derail the thread)?

PS: I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the smg guy

Back to Mohawk Sports being at the National!

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

As much as you and everyone else who has commented in this thread in regards to saying or doing something in Chicago. You act like I'm the ONLY person in 25 threads besides Dan and 312 who has the power to say or do something. So because I vocalized it, it's on me now? If I had stayed quiet, the thread would have continued on as is, with lots of bashing of mohawks and no action whatsoever.

You are the one who came on criticizing 312 for not contacting the promoters, no? My only point is that in my opinion it's wrong of you to expect someone else to do what you seem to agree should be done. I am not a show person, I don't know the promoters from a hole in the wall, but on other fronts I am doing what I can.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I'm confused as what the shared goal of the auctionjmm and smgcards is here. I've never personally said "go confront these guys." And to be honest, as long as the conversation does not escalate to yelling, why is calling someone out in person bad?

They're both in Ohio, probably buddies too

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I'm confused as what the shared goal of the auctionjmm and smgcards is here. I've never personally said "go confront these guys." And to be honest, as long as the conversation does not escalate to yelling, why is calling someone out in person bad?

Go back and read every response to this thread. Do you really think some of the suggestions here regarding how to confront the trimmers are good suggestions? Yelling "this guy trims cards" is going to have a positive outcome? I am being realistic here. When you take the time to make a thread like this, and post pics of the accused, you can't run away from it and say if something bad happens it isn't my fault. That's complete BS.

[auburn35]

Only a matter of time, until the fraudsters figure out who is trying to help, clean up our hobby.

Numbers for the first, a preposition for the middle and an acronym for the last name.
Those facts, plus the newly discovered information about a possible, pristine bellybutton, should be enough to solve the mystery.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Kevin Burge cut my umbilical cord.

Who is 3124508 on COMC?
If only we had CMOC no 8054213 (bizarro account), on the hunt.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by pspa123

You are the one who came on criticizing 312 for not contacting the promoters, no? My only point is that in my opinion it's wrong of you to expect someone else to do what you seem to agree should be done. I am not a show person, I don't know the promoters from a hole in the wall, but on other fronts I am doing what I can.

I knew nothing about any of this until 312 brought the evidence to light. I am a casual observer of a fraud that even I do not completely understand because I don't have the desire to read every single thread from the last 3 months to put my own case file together. I do not think it is at all unreasonable to expect that the person who has the evidence would be the first to act.