Marvel Precious Metal Gems Potential?

[imwonderboy]

Originally Posted by cygtr

Any thoughts on what a 2017 FUSM Metal Venom Black Printing Plate may be worth?

I've never been the biggest fan of printing plates but this would command a pretty hefty sum given it is Venom. I'm sure others here would be better qualified to place an exact value on it.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I busted box of retro back in 2013 and recently dug it up. Pulled a red and blue PMG. Unfortunately no big names. I was wondering is the PMG from 2017 and 2013 or any years after 2013 the same? Same feel, same etching or did they go more foil than etching?

Im a big PMG guy. But Im not liking the newer feel of PMGs where they almost feel like a foil card rather than an etched texture card. Also is a certain more in demand for marvel PMGs? like 2017 is better or more desirable than 2013?

2013 Marvel Retro seems to be the most in-demand PMG set, by a big margin. It is the first and also has lots of the major names.

Visually 2013 looks like 2017, but the 2017 are thick stock cards vs 2013 are normal stock cards (and sometimes I wonder if collectors prefer the normal stock cards). Something also to consider, 2017 has purple PMGs/5, and the greens are not the lowest numbered. That being said, 2017 FUSM seems to have a bit of a cult-following.

If I had to guess it goes 2013 Retro > 2015 Retro > 2017 FUSM > 2018 FUXM > 2021 X-men Metal in terms of how much people desire the PMGs (so in order of the year, the oldest most desirable). 2018 FUXM is a strange set because one collector bought a large portion of the run, and I'd also argue the checklist of characters for the 2018 FUXM PMG set is the weakest of any of the PMG sets.

[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

2013 Marvel Retro seems to be the most in-demand PMG set, by a big margin. It is the first and also has lots of the major names.

Visually 2013 looks like 2017, but the 2017 are thick stock cards vs 2013 are normal stock cards (and sometimes I wonder if collectors prefer the normal stock cards). Something also to consider, 2017 has purple PMGs/5, and the greens are not the lowest numbered. That being said, 2017 FUSM seems to have a bit of a cult-following.

If I had to guess it goes 2013 Retro > 2015 Retro > 2017 FUSM > 2018 FUXM > 2021 X-men Metal in terms of how much people desire the PMGs (so in order of the year, the oldest most desirable). 2018 FUXM is a strange set because one collector bought a large portion of the run, and I'd also argue the checklist of characters for the 2018 FUXM PMG set is the weakest of any of the PMG sets.

The 2018 FUXM set is a strange situation. The design and card stock are of the same quality as the previous three PMG sets (unlike the new Metal set, which is inferiorior). I agree that the character checklist is weakest for casual collectors or Marvel fans writ-large, but the X-Men world has its own set of diehard followers. Even within that subset of collectors, though, there are a lot of big names absent (including Gambit and a certain metal-clawed Canadian). Still, with 2/3 of the set owned by a single person, I would think the demand for the remaining cards would be pretty high.

Of course, I unloaded all of my 2013 and 2015 Retro about two years ago, so I obviously don't know sh*t about the current collecting market.

[imwonderboy]

2013 Retro > 2015 Retro > 2017 FUSM > 2018 FUXM > 2021 X-men Metal

As for value I agree with this.

Personally I like the 2017 FUSM thickness - they are about 100 PT cards and look and feel like 'quality' versus the stuff released this year. The foil used (while super hard to find MINT) is really nice.

Also, keep in mind that FUSM just sold out on e-pack earlier this year and there are lots of cards circulating around. Once these dry up and collectors start to hold I think these will become much harder to find (like the 2013 and 2015 sets) and prices will go up. Just my 2 cents.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

The 2018 FUXM set is a strange situation. The design and card stock are of the same quality as the previous three PMG sets (unlike the new Metal set, which is inferiorior). I agree that the character checklist is weakest for casual collectors or Marvel fans writ-large, but the X-Men world has its own set of diehard followers. Even within that subset of collectors, though, there are a lot of big names absent (including Gambit and a certain metal-clawed Canadian). Still, with 2/3 of the set owned by a single person, I would think the demand for the remaining cards would be pretty high.

Of course, I unloaded all of my 2013 and 2015 Retro about two years ago, so I obviously don't know sh*t about the current collecting market.

It also didnt help that the art used for probably about half of FUXM metals was pretty bad whereas the base set was quite nice. FUSM, by in large, had solid choices in art usage and a better cast of characters. As a die hard X-Men guy, I thought the metal sets were the worst common insert.

I think FUXM fell in an era where using Gambit was a no-no.

[DynaEtch]

2013 Retro PMG blue venom “sold” for over $19,000 about a week ago.

2013 Retro PMG blue venom sold today for around $1800. That’s still a good chunk of money for a PMG blue....but 1/10th of the amount for the same card a week before? There looks to be a slight difference in condition, but geez.

Who knows what’s going on. I made the comparison to comics before...but you don’t generally see copies of say ASM 129 going for $2500 one week, then $250 the next week. The difference between an established market with organic long-time growth to a rapidly created speculative market that is hard to gauge. We’ll see what happens, but I cant see blues from 2013 going for >10k etc.

[gosanostra]

think this sold?

[Xazark]

they should have done $69420.69

[imwonderboy]

I have a theory - there is a group of people creating an artificial spike thus causing so many others to sell so that THEY can buy more of these up. Just look at all the auctions now hitting ebay as people look to cash in. Makes perfect sense. Create a selling wave so you can gobble up more market share. Until now the amount of these hitting the market was growing stale as people were in 'hold' mode.

Example - bid up the 2017 blue Carnage PMG to $8,100 on 9/13 (which was not paid for by the way) then that triggers another user to list theirs for sale and on 9/21 it sells for $999. Hmmm.

Another wave of these hit ebay last night.

[Archangel1775]

I can share my experience. I've been looking for a Spider Gwen PMG as a "nice to have". There were about 5 available anywhere from $200-$450 between ebay and COMC. They literally disappeared overnight. A red one was then posted for $2500. Of course I was then offered a red for $500. In a couple attempted trades on epack, people wanted $1000 in value. Looking at sold comps, two sold for $250 and less than $450 on eBay. Another was posted this week with a $450 OBO. I was offered to buy it at $400 from the seller. Which is at the high end of where we were from the start.

The only other sold auction was the $1925 Blue PSA 9. There is a raw Blue for $1240 on ebay right now. Which is in line with the red multiplier I usually attach to them (3x).

[vc15nba]

No love for 2016 Marvel Gems red parallels /99 ?

[Archangel1775]

I think Gems are nice cards but got that one hit wonder vibe to them. They should've just made "Precious Metal" subset of each character.

[DynaEtch]

Sheesh at that Old Man Logan PMG gold. We'll see if it pops up again, should be easy to notice being a 1/1 gold.

Some random thoughts, from someone who doesnt have much at stake here (I dont own PMGs except a lowly PMG red 2018 FUXM minor character and I dont have plans to buy PMGs in the near future).

There seems to be genuine increased interest and nice growth in PMGs, especially the major characters. I think the blues that are going in the multiple hundreds and lower 4 figures are legit sales. That is probably where the PMG market is at for a blue (for now)- definitely a strong market for these pre-2021 PMGs, particularly the main characters. I am skeptical of blues going for high 4 figures, 5 figures, greens going for >20k etc, and think a lot of this is artificial. I think the current active listing for a 2013 Retro Box for $300k is way too high, by an order of magnitude.

Take the 70k Old Man Logan Gold. I mean that is a super desirable card in the current market- not only a PMG gold of Logan, but in the FUXM set that has been hoarded and you dont see PMG golds of this set basically ever. This card would do VERY well in regular setting without any manipulation. Almost 5 figures or a bit over maybe? .......but 70k? Yea Im skeptical.

I think the PMGs are doing just fine without any extra manipulation.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Sheesh at that Old Man Logan PMG gold. We'll see if it pops up again, should be easy to notice being a 1/1 gold.

Some random thoughts, from someone who doesnt have much at stake here (I dont own PMGs except a lowly PMG red 2018 FUXM minor character and I dont have plans to buy PMGs in the near future).

There seems to be genuine increased interest and nice growth in PMGs, especially the major characters. I think the blues that are going in the multiple hundreds and lower 4 figures are legit sales. That is probably where the PMG market is at (for now)- definitely a strong market for these pre-2021 PMGs, particularly the main characters. I am skeptical of blues going for high 4 figures, 5 figures, greens going for >20k etc, and think a lot of this is artificial. I think the current active listing for a 2013 Retro Box for $300k is way too high, by an order of magnitude.


I think the PMGs are doing just fine without any extra manipulation.

I think your comments on the ceiling are spot on but you are definitely off in the other direction on the floor. I sold a red spidey for 3K BEFORE this latest surge and have been selling tier 2 characters for high three figures (red) and have sold through all but two of my blues, again before this latest surge. So again the ceiling is false but the floor is better than $1k for main character blues - a lot better.

[ForceChange77]

That Logan sale was most likely a fraud, and a troll job on the bidding. The owner of the real gold Logan is well known in Marvel circles and he definitely wasnt selling his. Upper Deck has assued him that the Gold Logan was a 1/1 (none of these achievements were numbered). I suspect a major fraud.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Tim

I think your comments on the ceiling are spot on but you are definitely off in the other direction on the floor. I sold a red spidey for 3K BEFORE this latest surge and have been selling tier 2 characters for high three figures (red) and have sold through all but two of my blues, again before this latest surge. So again the ceiling is false but the floor is better than $1k for main character blues - a lot better.

Sorry if my wording wasnt clear. In that sentence I meant blues in general, not just the main characters, and also not just 2013 retro, but talking in general about blues (before 2021). If you search "pmg blue" in sold listings on ebay in the nonsports category, you will find many sales in the $200 to $500ish range even recently in the last several days. A main character PMG blue would likely be 4 figures in the current market. Spiderman is probably in his own class and I cannot say what he would realistically go for with the Retros. Carnage just went for $1k. Venom 2013 Retro blue just went for like $1800....both pretty main characters and these sound like more reasonable sales (and nothing to laugh at....this is a huge increase from what PMGs used to sell for), than Venom going for like $19k is all I meant.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

That Logan sale was most likely a fraud, and a troll job on the bidding. The owner of the real gold Logan is well known in Marvel circles and he definitely wasnt selling his. Upper Deck has assued him that the Gold Logan was a 1/1 (none of these achievements were numbered). I suspect a major fraud.

Good to know about the likely fraud.

Also yea I didnt see the 1/1 serial number on the back so I was confused. You almost never see these 2018 FUXM golds of any character actually on the market. I wonder how that worked to get the gold 1/1 as an achievement?

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Good to know about the likely fraud.

Also yea I didnt see the 1/1 serial number on the back so I was confused. You almost never see these 2018 FUXM golds of any character actually on the market. I wonder how that worked to get the gold 1/1 as an achievement?

First person to redeem a full set of Green PMGs got a Gold, Purple and Green Old Logan I believe. THe next 4 (or possibly 5- not sure) got the Purple and Green. Regular gold pmgs are numbered 1/1 and yes they do not show up very often, although I believe Phoenix 2 sold on ebay recently for like $5K.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

First person to redeem a full set of Green PMGs got a Gold, Purple and Green Old Logan I believe. THe next 4 (or possibly 5- not sure) got the Purple and Green. Regular gold pmgs are numbered 1/1 and yes they do not show up very often, although I believe Phoenix 2 sold on ebay recently for like $5K.

Wow, yea that's tough to do....first, no less.

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Wow, yea that's tough to do....first, no less.

Greens were numbered to /25 in FUXM, not /10 for whatever reason. So still very hard to do, but not as hard as you may think.

[Sushiyoshi]

My only gold from tens of thousands spent on FUXM and FSUM on epack.


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[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Good to know about the likely fraud.

Also yea I didnt see the 1/1 serial number on the back so I was confused. You almost never see these 2018 FUXM golds of any character actually on the market. I wonder how that worked to get the gold 1/1 as an achievement?

I'll just add I don't believe the achievement PMGs were numbered. The red and bronze (both of which I have) were not. Now, those were not limited, while the purple and gold were, so maybe that's different? Not sure.

[DynaEtch]

^^^
Woooah nice!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

I'll just add I don't believe the achievement PMGs were numbered. The red and bronze (both of which I have) were not. Now, those were not limited, while the purple and gold were, so maybe that's different? Not sure.

This makes sense. I guess the reason why they didnt bother to number the gold, since none are.

The gold makes me wonder. What we have is essentially UD's word it seems. What if two copies just happened to be made. And there have been situations before with 90s Fleer sportcards backdoored copies etc. How did the person listing the ebay Old Man Logan gold have those pics (if they are not the true owner)? Are the pics ripped from somewhere?

[dd316]

Originally Posted by vc15nba

No love for 2016 Marvel Gems red parallels /99 ?

Completely different animal.