Does Stephen Curry live up to the hobby hype?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

If this is legit (admittedly; I'm a skeptic), someone is already claiming to have the card, IN-HAND!!

Made-to-order.

No thanks.

[Torro]

Pretty accurate list, hobby wise clear top3 is MJ, Kobe, Lebron. I’ve been thinking about Curry being on the 4th spot and maybe Luka on 5th (at least for now, could get pushed way back if he does not deliver long-term). Many others have been on the 5th spot, but Curry has been on the 4th spot for long time and at this point seems like he’s there for good.

[hermanotarjeta]

Obviously there’s some recency bias here.

If the warriors stink next season and miss the playoffs, do we go back to pre-Olympics mindset again?

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Obviously there’s some recency bias here.

If the warriors stink next season and miss the playoffs, do we go back to pre-Olympics mindset again?

No, steph has been locked into the 4th spot of the basketball hobby MT. Rushmore since the 2022 finals. The only thing he can do now is continue to close the gap between himself and Kobe/put more distance between himself and the potential future challengers (Luka, Wemby, etc.)

[bmf]

I don't think it's close tbh. This is the top 10 list before yesterday's game:

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Curry
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Wilt/Russell - coin flip.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Obviously there’s some recency bias here.

If the warriors stink next season and miss the playoffs, do we go back to pre-Olympics mindset again?

I didn't think it was possible, but Curry took his legacy to another level -- he absolutely ripped the hearts out of the France and Serbian players' chests.

The Warriors may or may not make the playoffs next season, but Curry has firmly established himself as one of the top 10 most iconic players in basketball history.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I didn't think it was possible, but Curry took his legacy to another level -- he absolutely ripped the hearts out of the France and Serbian players' chests.

The Warriors may or may not make the playoffs next season, but Curry has firmly established himself as one of the top 10 most iconic players in basketball history.

I think with the boom of the digital age, there's definitely going to be recency bias but in terms of iconic players (also depends greatly on definition of iconic):

-MJ
-Bron
-Magic
-Bird
-Dr. J
-West
-Wilt
-Russell
-Oscar
-Kobe
-Shaquille
-Kareem
-Duncan
-Hakeem


I do think Steph is a basketball icon and he changed the game (maybe more than most on this list), but firmly established in the top 10 puts him in the top 6-8 category? I don't know which 8 guys I would toss out for sure to put Steph in there. I don't even know which 5 I would toss out for Steph to enter the top 10.

It's debatable but not a foregone conclusion. That being said, Steph did rip their hearts out. Night night.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I didn't think it was possible, but Curry took his legacy to another level -- he absolutely ripped the hearts out of the France and Serbian players' chests.

The Warriors may or may not make the playoffs next season, but Curry has firmly established himself as one of the top 10 most iconic players in basketball history.

To be fair to Bron, Curry did do this against joker and a bunch of nobodies who had to also defend four other future hall of famers and Wemby and a bunch of nobodies who had to also defend four other future hall of famers.

Surprised Kerr didn’t put himself into the game to get some 3 action.

However, if Curry is the main cog to lead the warriors to a ring next year, he easily surpasses Bird, Wilt, Shaq and Bron in the all time category.

[yiguiri2002]

The most important thing about Nate's article is not that Steph is top 10 or anything like that. It's that he's in the same level as Magic/Bird (even though the other two are slightly ahead) and he has a shot at passing them if he plays at a high level for the next 3-4 seasons.

[razorsharp]

He is a transcendent player who will be remembered forever. Only other player of this generation you can say that about is LeBron.

[msink28]

He's an easy top 10 player for me. It's amazing how underrated he still is. Like, yeah, he's the best shooter that ever lived, but the gap between him and that second shooter is massive. It's not just that he's the best, the gap between him as a shooter and everyone else is like Katie Ledecky in her events.

When he came in the league the knock was could he get to the rim and facilitate, well, yeah, he can, he can pretty much do whatever he wants. He's among the best dribblers of all time, and he'll probably be top 20 in assists when all is said or done. It's insane how good he is on offense.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by msink28

He's an easy top 10 player for me. It's amazing how underrated he still is. Like, yeah, he's the best shooter that ever lived, but the gap between him and that second shooter is massive. It's not just that he's the best, the gap between him as a shooter and everyone else is like Katie Ledecky in her events.

When he came in the league the knock was could he get to the rim and facilitate, well, yeah, he can, he can pretty much do whatever he wants. He's among the best dribblers of all time, and he'll probably be top 20 in assists when all is said or done. It's insane how good he is on offense.

Who does he knock out of the current top 10?

[msink28]

You have MJ, LeBron, Russell, Wilt, Kareem as locks for me. You can start to think about Curry as high as 6 in my view. But if you wanted to put Magic, TD, Kobe, Bird, and then Curry I think he knocks out whoever you have a 10, be it Shaq, Oscar, whoever.

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Who does he knock out of the current top 10?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by msink28

You have MJ, LeBron, Russell, Wilt, Kareem as locks for me. You can start to think about Curry as high as 6 in my view. But if you wanted to put Magic, TD, Kobe, Bird, and then Curry I think he knocks out whoever you have a 10, be it Shaq, Oscar, whoever.

He's got big shoes to fill if Shaq.

[fabiani12333]

This is my top-10 most iconic NBA player list -- not top 10 best or most accomplished player list:

Kareem
Magic
Kobe
LeBron
Shaq
Jordan
Curry
Bird
J. Erving
B. Russell

A few of my choices are surely controversial, but these are the players that I think are the most popular and noteworthy players in the game's history.

[Nomad]

He gave me that one authentic moment of basketball elation in my life, when the Warriors won it for the first time in a gazillion years and I saw it surrounded by Warriors fans in a BBQ in Dalengeti. First game I'd watched in five years. I thought wow, the game has evolved so that smaller athletes can compete again. Not realizing that he and the team had basically created a new paradigm.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This is my top-10 most iconic NBA player list -- not top 10 best or most accomplished player list:

Kareem
Magic
Kobe
LeBron
Shaq
Jordan
Curry
Bird
J. Erving
B. Russell

A few of my choices are surely controversial, but these are the players that I think are the most popular and noteworthy players in the game's history.

You're not far off from the top 10 all-time best NBA players list though:

Jordan
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem
B. Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Curry

[pejc300]

Top 10 all time and top 10 hobby collectibility are two different things.

Bird and Magic get very little hobby love, which is somewhat surprising (with the exception being their iconic shared RC). It's crazy to think that 2 players who are in the top 10 all time have beautiful exquisite cards that sell for peanuts. Maybe it's because they are non playing day cards.

I think Curry is different. I've been saying this for years, but I think that in 10-15 years the collectors who have money (still kids now) will be putting their money in Lebron and Curry as 1-2 and I think it will be closer than people think. Curry is the total package on and off the court. He literally changed the entire game of basketball. I guess you could say that about Wilt as well, but before that who else changed how the game is played? I'm very bullish on Curry in terms of the hobby. As far as a true top 10 goes? Meh. It'll be debated for aeons.

[PSA2Pac]

Top 5, dead or alive - and that’s just off one lp




























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[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Top 10 all time and top 10 hobby collectibility are two different things.

Bird and Magic get very little hobby love, which is somewhat surprising (with the exception being their iconic shared RC). It's crazy to think that 2 players who are in the top 10 all time have beautiful exquisite cards that sell for peanuts. Maybe it's because they are non playing day cards.

I think Curry is different. I've been saying this for years, but I think that in 10-15 years the collectors who have money (still kids now) will be putting their money in Lebron and Curry as 1-2 and I think it will be closer than people think. Curry is the total package on and off the court. He literally changed the entire game of basketball. I guess you could say that about Wilt as well, but before that who else changed how the game is played? I'm very bullish on Curry in terms of the hobby. As far as a true top 10 goes? Meh. It'll be debated for aeons.

Just remember that Kobe, a top 15 all-time player, had autos that sold for peanuts too. Then he unfortunately passed and his auto prices shot up (which was further propped up by pandemic stimulus money).

Then again, most people who actually watched (and collected) Bird/Magic are probably retired and spending less money on cards and more money on post-retirement life (e.g., family, travel, new hobbies, wills/trusts, etc). Not saying that youth aren't collecting them at all, they're probably just more interested in modern players they actually watched/are watching.

[Asian62150]

I can see the Bron/Curry kids causing an uptick in prices in the next 5-15 years, but long term, it's either going to be MJ/LeBron when it comes to long-term hobby superstar status. And I lean heavily towards MJ, especially now that LeBron is going to have more autos hit the market in the coming months/years.

MJ is like Babe Ruth. Or as Jerry Reinsdorf once said, Babe Ruth is like MJ.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

You're not far off from the top 10 all-time best NBA players list though:

Jordan
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem
B. Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Curry

Always someone left out, in this case Kobe and/or Hakeem. Unless we do a tie for 10th. But if we have a hypothetical all-time draft and our key criterion is winning championships, do we (in hindsight) take Kobe ahead of Steph?

But clearly their respective play styles are built for different eras. So how do we really know

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Then again, most people who actually watched (and collected) Bird/Magic are probably retired and spending less money on cards and more money on post-retirement life (e.g., family, travel, new hobbies, wills/trusts, etc). Not saying that youth aren't collecting them at all, they're probably just more interested in modern players they actually watched/are watching.

That generation's money is going overwhelmingly into MJ. A big part of it is aesthetics. The 3-panel '80 RC doesn't have much going for it in that dept.

Quick, name the best-looking Magic and Larry cards printed in their playing days.

(For me there's the '86 Star Court Kings Magic, followed by . . . contenders among Magic cards are '89 Hoops and '92 Stadium Club (still technically from within his career). The photo on the 86F re-used from that 5x7 Star card is also good, I have the 86F on my radar. For Larry? Maybe the '84-85 star? ('83-84 has cropping issues for me.) 86F sticker for its Bird-like "plain" personality? For cards not from their playing days . . . Magic's neatest might be his 2008 Topps Chrome, for Larry it's probably the ones sharing the same image: '09 Bowman '48 and the 2014 Prizm SP variation. Also that 2006 Topps #33 variation with him eyeing a free throw. Just checked, there's 2 "free throw" variations that look really neat, maybe I'll get the 2nd. There's another free-throw variation that's not as neat-looking.)

apropos of nothing, I noticed that the "top 5 greatest active players" would make a nice starting lineup:
PG - Steph
SG - Bron
SF - KD
PF - Giannis
C - Joker

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I can see the Bron/Curry kids causing an uptick in prices in the next 5-15 years, but long term, it's either going to be MJ/LeBron when it comes to long-term hobby superstar status. And I lean heavily towards MJ, especially now that LeBron is going to have more autos hit the market in the coming months/years.

MJ is like Babe Ruth. Or as Jerry Reinsdorf once said, Babe Ruth is like MJ.

apropos of nothing again, I asked ChatGPT to give all-time rankings in baseball and football, applying era adjustments etc. Ruth is still listed at #1 (Mays and Aaron #2 and #3). In football . . . it's Jerry Rice at #1, then Jim Brown, *then* Brady.

(Are 86T Rice rookies reasonably affordable? I like the aesthetics.)

[yiguiri2002]

Steph is in that Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem/Kobe group. Whether people have him at the top or at the bottom, those are his peers.

People talk a lot about recent bias but there's more bias when it comes to retired players.

[codered]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Top 10 all time and top 10 hobby collectibility are two different things.

Bird and Magic get very little hobby love, which is somewhat surprising (with the exception being their iconic shared RC). It's crazy to think that 2 players who are in the top 10 all time have beautiful exquisite cards that sell for peanuts. Maybe it's because they are non playing day cards.

I think Curry is different. I've been saying this for years, but I think that in 10-15 years the collectors who have money (still kids now) will be putting their money in Lebron and Curry as 1-2 and I think it will be closer than people think. Curry is the total package on and off the court. He literally changed the entire game of basketball. I guess you could say that about Wilt as well, but before that who else changed how the game is played? I'm very bullish on Curry in terms of the hobby. As far as a true top 10 goes? Meh. It'll be debated for aeons.

^^^^this

I’ll add not only has curry changed the way the game has played but made it more accessible for the Everyman. When I watch the younger generation play at the local gym it’s extremely apparent how Curry has influenced the game. Not everyone can dominate as a 7 footers around the rim, not everyone can fly through the air like Kobe, VC or MJ but everyone can try to be like Steph. To paraphrase Jay-Z “Short kind of thick, slim kind of tall, I swear they love them all”. Everyone can at least try to play like Steph. That’s huge in my opinion